Split Thread Signs of the End Times

[Paul Bethke]

No, be it not. I'm not inviting you to prove Creationism. Better men than you have tried and failed. (In any case it's not the topic of this thread, so if you want to flail Creationism, do it in a separate thread.)

I'm telling you that your logic is backwards. You presume that the universe was created, and this leads you to conjure up a need for a creator. Then you use that purported need to infer that there must be a creator.

Fix your logic. Then go back and address the other parts of my post.

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.
Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Craig4]

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.
Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Yes, end times, there's going to signs, or something (yawn).

 

[Slowvehicle]

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers.

As has been pointed out to you, your own, personal, assertion does not turn your own, personal presumptions into "fact".

You are welcome to your fairy tales; but you do err when you pretend they represent reality, or have sway over anyone one else.

When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

Again, you presume. Without any evidence.

What do you, personally, believe is the actual, historical date of ƴ ͤ fludde? I understand you are loath to commit to a date, as the lack of evidence then becomes patent, but when do you believe it is to be supposed to have happened? You have never stepped up to address this issue...

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.
Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

...right. The "invisible" qualities of 'god' "have been clearly seen". I'll just leave thaat low-hanging fruit on the vine...

Why don't you stop "suppressing the truht by your wickedness", and provide your best idea fo rhte actual date of ƴ ͤ fludde?

 

[Border Reiver]

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

Why does your all powerful creator need to follow prescribed rules?
Yahweh is allegedly all-powerful, so why does He need to follow any rules other than his own whim? It's not like there is an over-god he has to answer to if he doesn't, or that there are rules/natural laws that he can't ignore, so why does he HAVE to do anything?

The existence of a Creator is not a proven fact. I believe you claimed to be able to do just that. So far all you've done is quote Bible stories, which is as good as quoting Harry Potter to prove the existence of magic.

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.

Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Our understanding of the physical universe has not revealed anything remotely like a god. It has revealed the consistent natural processes that shape the world around us. Why do you want to deny the beauty of the natural world in favour of a misogynistic, narcissistic sociopath who is supposed to have waved waved his magic wand?

 

[abaddon]

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.
Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

There is, in actual fact, another mangod. He is omni-present, omniscient and omnipotent. He already has countless millions of true believers. Why do all of these millions of folk sincerely believe in him? Because there is actual physical evidence, tangible repeatable effects that he is real, unlike your obscure deity.

So anyway, what is Santa bringing you this Xmas, Paul?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

This is not a prediction--it is a fact!
My predictions may as yet not have materialized--but the Scriptures are fact----

Mat_5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

This is what is written!

If this is a fact, as you say, then proving Hell exists will be trivially easy.
You quote Scripture saying "your whole body will go into hell". Taking this literally, a position I assume you will have no quibble with, this means that when you die, if you were an unrepentant sinner, you will physically go to hell.
So, then: find the grave of any sinner you care to name. Look for subsidence, or rent a ground-penetrating radar device for a day, and show us the empty grave. They should be all over the place. Easy-peasy.
I await the photos with anticipation.

Bump.



Come on, Paul Bethke! This is easy! Think how many souls you will save. That's got to get you into the executive lounge in heaven.
Where are the empty graves, Paul Bethke?

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.
Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

I am not suppressing the truth by my wickedness. Au contraire, I have twice asked you to show this truth- and you have twice ignored me.
Your latest quote talks of your god making himself clear. Why don't you follow his example? Just shpw me one empty grave, from which the body has been taken down into hell like you said, and you will save my soul.
What's to lose?
Now, about this latest quote. You say that your god will reveal himself with a demonstration of power. However, the quote from the Bible says that this power is being revealed now. Which is it? Are we seeing it now, as per the Bible, or will we see it in the future, as per you. If it's the latter, can you explain why you think the Bible is wrong?
Anyway, if we're going to talk grammar, the "now" in the Bible is about 2,000 years ago. Accordiing to this quote, we should have seen unmistakeable evidence of the power of your god 2,000 years ago. Can you explain how this is completely absent from the historical records of (as far as I know) every country in the world?

 

[Crossbow]

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers. When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

So this statement is true of you and all who THINK you have it all wrapped up.
Rom 1:18-20 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

You cannot show that this Creator of yours does actually exist.

Therefore, you are doing nothing but peddling more worthless crap from your fairy book.

 

[JayUtah]

I am talking about END times, by referring to the fact, that there is a Creator and that he will reveal that by a prescribed demonstration of his creative powers.

Your god reveals his "creative powers" by destroying everything at the end times. Some "creation" you got going there. Your religion makes less and less sense the more you talk about it.

When this is done then all your theories will amount to nothing, because they are nothing. So be it!

Reality is not a "theory." In contrast you keep talking about what you think will happen, and your only source for that is a book you obviously understand very little about. Do you get the difference between reality and prediction? The record shows you suck at prediction, so I'm not very worried.

If your god actually shows up, you can have the last laugh. But not until then. Until then it's just bluster from an obvious zealot.

 

[halleyscomet]

We certainly are lavishing a lot of attention on an exceeding sub-par apologist.

 

[JayUtah]

Just as people lavish a lot of attention on a highway accident. Bethke isn't an apologist; he's a zealot. Apologists are the regular drivers. Zealots are the car wrecks.

 

[halleyscomet]

Just as people lavish a lot of attention on a highway accident. Bethke isn't an apologist; he's a zealot. Apologists are the regular drivers. Zealots are the car wrecks.

I don't know. Given his knowledge level, he's more a fender bender than a car crash. The most interesting thing about his routine is his creative and exotic racism, but he seems to have backed off on that since his return.

That reminds me, I need to find some time to work on the short story this thread has inspired.

 

[Border Reiver]

I don't know. Given his knowledge level, he's more a fender bender than a car crash. The most interesting thing about his routine is his creative and exotic racism, but he seems to have backed off on that since his return.

More like common racism with a less than usual rationale.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Just as people lavish a lot of attention on a highway accident. Bethke isn't an apologist; he's a zealot. Apologists are the regular drivers. Zealots are the car wrecks.

Well to have zeal is a good thing—we do not have to apologise for what the Creator has said or done.
2Ki_10:16 Jehu said, "Come with me and see my zeal for the LORD." Then he had him ride along in his chariot.

Rom_12:11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervour, serving the Lord.

So what has cars got to do with all this—there were no cars in those days!

 

[Paul Bethke]

You cannot show that this Creator of yours does actually exist.

Therefore, you are doing nothing but peddling more worthless crap from your fairy book.

Give it time Crossbow --just a little longer--then you will see.

 

[Craig4]

Well to have zeal is a good thing—we do not have to apologise for what the Creator has said or done.
2Ki_10:16 Jehu said, "Come with me and see my zeal for the LORD." Then he had him ride along in his chariot.

Rom_12:11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervour, serving the Lord.

So what has cars got to do with all this—there were no cars in those days!

He's saying that you are the accident no one can look away from.

 

[Craig4]

Give it time Crossbow --just a little longer--then you will see.

So you keep saying. Grass. World Cup. Failure.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Give it time Crossbow --just a little longer--then you will see.

Christians have been saying that for about 2000 years. I am willing to wait.

On the plus side, should you be right and your god actually exist and I am allowed to chose between it and whatever opposes it, your posts have made it clear that the opposition is my choice. Whatever it is, it can't be worse than the god you promote.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Give it time Crossbow --just a little longer--then you will see.

How about showing us now?
Show us the empty graves, whose former occupants were taken into hell, according to the Bible quote you supplied.
Show us the unmistakable proof of your god's power that, according to the Bible quote you supplied, should have been given 2,000 years ago.
Then you've proved your point and saved my soul.
Don't you want my soul to be saved?

 

[Paul Bethke]

How about showing us now?
Show us the empty graves, whose former occupants were taken into hell, according to the Bible quote you supplied.
Show us the unmistakable proof of your god's power that, according to the Bible quote you supplied, should have been given 2,000 years ago.
Then you've proved your point and saved my soul.
Don't you want my soul to be saved?

We have now entered into Jewish Year 5777 Rosh Hashanah—so this means that the creation that Elohim created is 5777 years old.
The three 777 are significant that this is the year when Yahweh will give the order to begin the Day of judgment.

 

[Slowvehicle]

We have now entered into Jewish Year 5777 Rosh Hashanah—so this means that the creation that Elohim created is 5777 years old.
The three 777 are significant that this is the year when Yahweh will give the order to begin the Day of judgment.

OK, that's a start. Here you are claiming that "creation" is "5777 years old". Are you honest enough to admit that that means, by your lights, ƴ ͤ fludde had to have happened sometime within the last 5777 years?