Split Thread Signs of the End Times

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Paul Bethke said:
Well hi Crossbow—no use posting until the stage is set
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But your whole point has been that the stage is set, and that you're the stage manager, and that the drama is about to unfold. Your whole problem is that you're lousy at prophecy and preaching, so no one really takes you seriously. Nor frankly should they.

The present situation in hindsight proves that it will take a reasonable amount of power to persuade the world to repent.
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The present situation here, in hindsight, is that it will take a whole lot more than a failed prophet and an obvious poser to convince people there is anything to this apocalyptic nonsense. The sins you imagine people are committing are not things other people in your similar situation consider sinful. So one prerequisite to getting the world to repent is to point out the basis for accusing them of sin. So far all you have is your personal gospel, which you stubbornly refuse to see is yours and yours alone.
 
JayUtah said:
But your whole point has been that the stage is set, and that you're the stage manager, and that the drama is about to unfold. Your whole problem is that you're lousy at prophecy and preaching, so no one really takes you seriously. Nor frankly should they.



The present situation here, in hindsight, is that it will take a whole lot more than a failed prophet and an obvious poser to convince people there is anything to this apocalyptic nonsense. The sins you imagine people are committing are not things other people in your similar situation consider sinful. So one prerequisite to getting the world to repent is to point out the basis for accusing them of sin. So far all you have is your personal gospel, which you stubbornly refuse to see is yours and yours alone.
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I've noticed that TheAdversary and Paul Bethke have very similar ideologies and methods.

Both:

  • Claim divine authority / powers they have never demonstrated.
  • Claim to be the missionaries of an apocalypse.
  • Have NO followers.
  • Do NOTHING to promote their views beyond posting on forums like this one.
  • Explicitly advocate genocide of people they deem undesirable for one reason or another.
  • Mock unbelievers.
  • Make promises of eventual retribution that never come to pass.
  • Never learn anything when someone points out factual errors in their claims. (Mostly Biblical for Paul, scientific for TheAdversary)
  • Amuse me to no end.
 
JayUtah said:
But your whole point has been that the stage is set, and that you're the stage manager, and that the drama is about to unfold. Your whole problem is that you're lousy at prophecy and preaching, so no one really takes you seriously. Nor frankly should they.



The present situation here, in hindsight, is that it will take a whole lot more than a failed prophet and an obvious poser to convince people there is anything to this apocalyptic nonsense. The sins you imagine people are committing are not things other people in your similar situation consider sinful. So one prerequisite to getting the world to repent is to point out the basis for accusing them of sin. So far all you have is your personal gospel, which you stubbornly refuse to see is yours and yours alone.
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The main point in the Gospel is what Jesus the Messiah stated as priority---there is no other requisite that over-rules this. So if nothing else is preach this mandatory requirement has to be met before there can be any progress into the Kingdom of God.

This is a prerequisite that has not been presented as priority to acceptance. It was what was stated in the beginning and is intended to be compulsory throughout creation. It is essential for all peoples to adhere to, as it is non-negotiable.
 
Paul Bethke said:
The main point in the Gospel is what Jesus the Messiah stated as priority---there is no other requisite that over-rules this. So if nothing else is preach this mandatory requirement has to be met before there can be any progress into the Kingdom of God.

This is a prerequisite that has not been presented as priority to acceptance. It was what was stated in the beginning and is intended to be compulsory throughout creation. It is essential for all peoples to adhere to, as it is non-negotiable.
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Why to you keep spouting this nonsense?

Even you should have learned by now that it does not do any good around here.

And by the way, you have failed to show that there is a God.
 
Paul Bethke said:
The main point in the Gospel is what Jesus the Messiah stated as priority---there is no other requisite that over-rules this. So if nothing else is preach this mandatory requirement has to be met before there can be any progress into the Kingdom of God.



This is a prerequisite that has not been presented as priority to acceptance. It was what was stated in the beginning and is intended to be compulsory throughout creation. It is essential for all peoples to adhere to, as it is non-negotiable.
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Really? Jesus' big thing was "love one another." A lot of what you've been on about is kind of the opposite of love, are you sure your translation is accurate?

Before you left you were going to prove the existence of God - so where is your proof?
 
Paul Bethke said:
The main point in the Gospel is what Jesus the Messiah stated as priority---there is no other requisite that over-rules this. So if nothing else is preach this mandatory requirement has to be met before there can be any progress into the Kingdom of God.

This is a prerequisite that has not been presented as priority to acceptance. It was what was stated in the beginning and is intended to be compulsory throughout creation. It is essential for all peoples to adhere to, as it is non-negotiable.
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This thread is giving me a sense of deja-moo...

 
Paul Bethke said:
The main point in the Gospel...
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Asked and answered. You don't know what the main point or any point of the scripture is. Your facility with the Bible has been challenged successfully many times and no one except yourself considers you a competent interpreter of Christian writing or doctrine. Hence my statement: you have a private gospel that no one agrees with, and the world simply isn't going to consider it the basis for a judgment of sinfulness. Your answer to that is to blindly stagger onward preaching this private gospel as if it mattered.
 
JayUtah said:
Asked and answered. You don't know what the main point or any point of the scripture is. Your facility with the Bible has been challenged successfully many times and no one except yourself considers you a competent interpreter of Christian writing or doctrine. Hence my statement: you have a private gospel that no one agrees with, and the world simply isn't going to consider it the basis for a judgment of sinfulness. Your answer to that is to blindly stagger onward preaching this private gospel as if it mattered.
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Paul Bethke exhibits a spectacular Dunning–Kruger effect in the realm of Biblical literacy and theology.
 
Paul Bethke said:
The main point in the Gospel is what Jesus the Messiah stated as priority---there is no other requisite that over-rules this. So if nothing else is preach this mandatory requirement has to be met before there can be any progress into the Kingdom of God.

This is a prerequisite that has not been presented as priority to acceptance. It was what was stated in the beginning and is intended to be compulsory throughout creation. It is essential for all peoples to adhere to, as it is non-negotiable.
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I don't care if your Jesus fellow says something is non-negotiable. He has no right to tell me what I can and can't do.
 
Craig4 said:
I don't care if your Jesus fellow says something is non-negotiable. He has no right to tell me what I can and can't do.
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Well that may be the way you feel about the situation—but that is not what is declared, Despite all that is said, the end will usher in the beginning and you and all people will have to bend the knee as is stated----Isa_45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Philp 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now you can say what you want. But this is declared---so be a good fella and repent.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well that may be the way you feel about the situation—but that is not what is declared...
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The "declaration" is irrelevant. Very few people here care what the Bible says. You may superstitiously regarding it as some sort of trove of fact, but you are unable to convince anyone here that it's anything except twaddle dreamed up by superstitious people thousands of years ago.

Further, no one cares about your interpretation of it. You proved quite handily that you are incompetent when it comes even to the facts of the contents of the Bible, much less whether you're competent to interpret those contents, inside or out of any religious tradition.

But this is declared---so be a good fella and repent.
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Asked and answered. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion does not compel any action whatsoever on my part. You may "declare" to your heart's content, and it has absolutely zero effect in the real world.

Now if the god you worship wants to compel me himself, I'd be open to that. But I don't answer to self-proclaimed lackays, especially ones as demonstrably incompetent and dishonest as have often graced this forum.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well that may be the way you feel about the situation—but that is not what is declared, Despite all that is said, the end will usher in the beginning and you and all people will have to bend the knee as is stated----Isa_45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Philp 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now you can say what you want. But this is declared---so be a good fella and repent.
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And we should believe you over anyone else because...?

God knows where I live. If she wants to compel me she's welcome to stop over to have a chat. I've read the Bible. In that version God seemed to do a lot of that, either in person or with messenger sent in the flesh, not random genocidal racists spouting first grade "Cosmic sky daddy will spank you" Sunday school rhetoric online.

As a home brewer, gardener and hobbyist baker, I'm particularly interested in deities of alcohol, brewing, fermentation, harvest or bread. A sex deity wanting to chat with my wife and I would be welcome as well. Any deity of healing that wants to teach me how to cure cancer or regrow lost limbs to bring glory to said deity is welcome as well. Basically, I'm open to chatting with any deities that aren't outright ******** worse than the human median.
 
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Paul Bethke said:
Well that may be the way you feel about the situation—but that is not what is declared, Despite all that is said, the end will usher in the beginning and you and all people will have to bend the knee as is stated----Isa_45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Philp 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now you can say what you want. But this is declared---so be a good fella and repent.
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Do yourself a favor and stop shoveling this worthless crap.

Since you cannot even show that this God of yours does actually exist, then you should know that there is no way that every person will bow to that God.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well that may be the way you feel about the situation—but that is not what is declared, Despite all that is said, the end will usher in the beginning and you and all people will have to bend the knee as is stated----Isa_45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

Philp 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



Now you can say what you want. But this is declared---so be a good fella and repent.
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No, what was declared was that the Aesir, the Vanir and their warriors would fight the Jotuns and the dishonoured dead at Ragnarok. Nothing about bending knees, just the opportunity to face the enemies of existence one last time with a weapon in your hands and a song on your lips. Best figure out a way to die in battle and get a Valkyrie's attention.

Seriously, lots of people have declared lots of things and written them down over the millennia. Some have been falsehoods - "the Third Reich will last a thousand years". Some have been true - "the sky generally appears blue as a result of the refraction of light waves as they enter the atmosphere". Some are open to interpretation - "fraoch ale is awesome". And others are just ink on paper, because there is no independent methods of verification - like what you've transcribed above.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Well that may be the way you feel about the situation—but that is not what is declared, Despite all that is said, the end will usher in the beginning and you and all people will have to bend the knee as is stated----Isa_45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Philp 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now you can say what you want. But this is declared---so be a good fella and repent.
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No.
 
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