Scott Watson

[Samson]

He is a liar.

He promotes conspiracies.

He lies consistently.

He is anti-fluoride.

He has no interest or understanding of "truth".

He is an anti-vaxer.

His is a huge liar.

I can give you more if you like.

Being anti fluoride is no great problem. The periodic table is a wondrous thing, unintended consequences abound. Did David Lange advance New Zealand fair with his plutonium on the breath accusation?
There is a gulf between application of thinking about science, dna, and so on, where purported best practice models evolve, and simply examining how many water taxis were plying that waterway at 4 am.
The answer is numerically 0, 1 or many, that is the mathematical model.
Which answer in that multi choice question is for you?

 

[The Atheist]

Being anti fluoride is no great problem.

Wrong.

It is actually a huge problem, but it's a different subject, so feel free to start a thread.

The periodic table is a wondrous thing, unintended consequences abound. Did David Lange advance New Zealand fair with his plutonium on the breath accusation?

Utterly irrelevant, but indeed he did. It helped harden the opposition to American nukes.

There is a gulf between application of thinking about science, dna, and so on, where purported best practice models evolve, and simply examining how many water taxis were plying that waterway at 4 am.
The answer is numerically 0, 1 or many, that is the mathematical model.
Which answer in that multi choice question is for you?

Zzzzzzzzz.

If there's a point you want to make, go ahead and make it.

 

[Samson]

Wrong.

It is actually a huge problem, but it's a different subject, so feel free to start a thread.



Utterly irrelevant, but indeed he did. It helped harden the opposition to American nukes.



Zzzzzzzzz.

If there's a point you want to make, go ahead and make it.

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[smartcooky]

nostalgianz pretty much calls out Wishart's book for what it is, a work of fiction.

In Elementary 2, Ian Wishart pretty much approaches the subject from a standpoint of "I am going to prove Scott Watson murdered Ben Smart and Olivia Hope". He then set about doing what any Conspiracy Theorist does;

1. Dismiss any evidence that doesn't fit his preconceived notions

2. Don't mention any evidence that he can't find a way to dismiss

3. Reinterpret (i.e. twist) evidence to make it support his view

4. Substitute his own opinion for actual facts

5. Assassinate the characters of any witnesses whose evidence he cannot dismiss or twist

His methodology and actions are indistinguishable from those of Jarrah White (moon hoax believer), Richard Gage (911 truth nutter) and Alex Jones (general CT nutcase)

 

[Samson]

I have drawn conclusions more by reading the second book, most haven't read it I suspect. It is a tragedy for everyone, new trials don't work, let him out and watch him I suggest. Asking him to admit to something he has steadfastly denied is a waste of time. I hope he is innocent for his father's sake.

 

[Elagabalus]

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What did Guy Wallace lie about? IW keeps saying that he lied but what was it?




If you would have purchased the ebook you could be highlighting quotes and copy/pasting but noooo ...

 

[Samson]

What did Guy Wallace lie about? IW keeps saying that he lied but what was it?




If you would have purchased the ebook you could be highlighting quotes and copy/pasting but noooo ...

As I said, I will. As long as I don't get lambasted for supporting the wicked Wishart.

 

[The Atheist]

As long as I don't get lambasted for supporting the wicked Wishart.

You weren't.

I was pointing out why I have no interest in anything he says. You can support who you like - just don't expect others to buy them.

 

[Samson]

You weren't.

I was pointing out why I have no interest in anything he says. You can support who you like - just don't expect others to buy them.

I read everything once I get interested, I haven't found a better way. I read stuff if it's obviously wrong, look at the crap being written about Amanda Knox, and finally the world is being informed.
This should happen here too. Giving the police the last word is not working.

I wish the Watson family well in their efforts to clear his name.

 

[Annella]

Excellent documentary so far...I sure hope it will be available for the 'furriners' interested in this case. Maybe on youtube, later.
Echoes of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito fiasco but then so many cases being looked at worldwide are.
We have to start prosecuting the prosecutors. Pronto.

ETA: Well, after proving them wrong first of course.

 

[Samson]

Excellent documentary so far...I sure hope it will be available for the 'furriners' interested in this case. Maybe on youtube, later.
Echoes of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito fiasco but then so many cases being looked at worldwide are.
We have to start prosecuting the prosecutors. Pronto.

ETA: Well, after proving them wrong first of course.

I am recording it to watch. I know a number of activists supporting Watson, unfortunately I believe they are wrong. I have done my homework.
May the best truth win.

 

[Annella]

I am recording it to watch. I know a number of activists supporting Watson, unfortunately I believe they are wrong. I have done my homework.
May the best truth win.

Not just the best truth...THE truth. Something is dreadfully awry with this case I believe. I am no activist btw... But you know that.

 

[Samson]

After 5 minutes I can say this is a fraud on the NZ taxpayer. Sorry Annella, it is total crap.

 

[Samson]

I love your work on Amanda Knox Annella, I am militantly opposed to the Kercher dignity culture, I have no stomach for accusing innocent people of crimes when the facts are beyond doubt, as that family did do, there is no excuse available when science beats conjecture and fanatical devotion to the lying attorney lets a family destroy Amanda and Raffaele, yet here we are now.
Gallivan is a moron who is ignoring real issues in pursuit of taxpayer money for a quasi popular cause.

 

[acementhead]

Originally Posted by acementhead View Post
Hello Michael, nice(not) to meet you.
What?

If you're using some kind of code, it went right by me. Are you another Wishart fan? I hope you buy his books - the bloke's a bit down on his money these days. Lost a few bob on Helen Clark, so I hear.

I thought that you seemed so antagonistic to Wishart that you must be Michael Fay. As I understand it Wishart wrote "The Paradise Conspiracy" which, although I've never read it, I think showed Fay in an unfavouraable light. Happy to be proved wrong.

I've never bought or even read anything by Wishart.

I watched the Scot Watson "documentary" and was only just able to finish watching it. Almost as bad as trying to watch Hillary Clinton. Disgracful tendentious tripe. Man the sister is weird; I'd have convicted him on her alone.

 

[Samson]

I thought that you seemed so antagonistic to Wishart that you must be Michael Fay. As I understand it Wishart wrote "The Paradise Conspiracy" which, although I've never read it, I think showed Fay in an unfavouraable light. Happy to be proved wrong.

I've never bought or even read anything by Wishart.

I watched the Scot Watson "documentary" and was only just able to finish watching it. Almost as bad as trying to watch Hillary Clinton. Disgracful tendentious tripe. Man the sister is weird; I'd have convicted him on her alone.

I am still suffering through this, it is the lowest point in fact finding I can recall. Gallivan should be sacked before he destroys aspirational youth.

 

[Samson]

Ian Wishart is worth 100 Gallivans. He may not understand how evolution theory can survive the missing link, but his attention to logic, witness statements and primary evidence means multiple police frauds in NZ are being called.
I spent thursday in the high court watching the unravelling begin. Ironically warring factions will not necessarily find this process easy.
As for Michael Fay, he couldn't care less what preoccupies the common citizenry.

 

[acementhead]

As for Michael Fay, he couldn't care less what preoccupies the common citizenry.

Of course, but didn't the exposure of the wine box affair cause Fay a bit of grief?

 

[Samson]

Of course, but didn't the exposure of the wine box affair cause Fay a bit of grief?

Indeed, Wilkinson was hogtied in his findings. There was a momentous fraud perpetrated, it is complex but in a small country we must suck it up. Why are the Chinese able to bulldoze P onto boats to distribute here?

 

[smartcooky]

I watched the Scot Watson "documentary" and was only just able to finish watching it. Almost as bad as trying to watch Hillary Clinton. Disgracful tendentious tripe. Man the sister is weird; I'd have convicted him on her alone.

I find that really disturbing - that you would convict someone purely because you don't like their relative. That alone pretty much tells me that I need to dismiss anything you say. I watched the documentary, and came to entirely the opposite conclusion about her. I found Watson's sister affable and likeable. She is obviously a no-BS straight shooter who will tell you exactly what she is thinking. After what the Police have put her and her family through, she would need to be a strong woman - perhaps you are threatened by that?

I thought the whole documentary was well presented, incisive and explained complicated issues in a very easy to understand manner, without losing any of the important detail.

It also made the key points very well.....

1. That the police considered Watson and the Mystery Man to be one and the same person when they were clearly and obviously not.

2. That the Mystery ketch actually existed (and therefore the police lied about it when they said there was no ketch)

3. That the Police manipulated the media to bias the public against Scott Watson

4. That the Police intimidated witnesses and tried to get them to change their stories, and bullied and threatened those who stuck to their guns.

5. That the Police intentionally used a cooked up photo of Watson (that didn't look like him) in order to fool Guy Wallace and Roz McNeilly into picking him out. Both witness subsequently recanted that ID once they saw a better likeness of Watson.

Gallivan was very kind to the Police at the end, saying that they did a good job etc etc. , I wouldn't have been so kind.

IMO, the Police in this case acted reprehensibly and in an utterly incompetent manner. They failed to fully investigate the key factor in the whole case - the whereabouts and identity of the mystery ketch. This is indicative of a failure to follow the most fundamental methods of criminal investigation - the gathering of ALL of the evidence and only then the drawing conclusions. Instead, they made up their minds early on that Watson was guilty, and set about searching only for the evidence that fitted their case, ignoring exculpatory evidence, manipulating the media, and then bullying, badgering, coercing and threatening witnesses who were giving reports that didn't fit in with what they wanted to hear.

Shameful.