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Presidential Debates

Skeptic Ginger said:
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So Trump brought in the company who does Golf course construction had them build a 20 foot high grassy hill and put a 30 foot flag pole on top of it.
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the Mar-a-Lago Club, which is a great house, probably the greatest house in America
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Obviously he's never been to the Biltmore House.

This is probably the wealthiest town — it is the wealthiest town in America, in the United States,
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Or Scarsdale.

In fact, according to that source there isn't a town anywhere in Florida that even makes it into the top twenty five.


Typical Trump pomposity.
 
quadraginta said:
Typical Trump pomposity.
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It's a large part of why I can barely listen to him speak (at times... Hillary is no great shakes either TBH).

When Donald says "I've get the best words.", the best I can figure is he's got the most superlatives.

Somehow, those are equivalent in his mind.

Bully and bluster, bully and bluster. I've yet to see him strike any other pose. Any other.
 
Jim_MDP said:
It's a large part of why I can barely listen to him speak (at times... Hillary is no great shakes either TBH).

When Donald says "I've get the best words.", the best I can figure is he's got the most superlatives.
Somehow, those are equivalent in his mind.

Bully and bluster, bully and bluster. I've yet to see him strike any other pose. Any other.
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Not really. He's in desperate need of a thesaurus. It's basically just amazing, great, fantastic, classy, huge, winning, luxurious and tremendous.
 
Stacko said:
Not really. He's in desperate need of a thesaurus. It's basically just amazing, great, fantastic, classy, huge, winning, luxurious and tremendous.
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You are correct, and I apologize for being unclear... I meant quantity not quality, or variety. :p

He's got the most "best words".

It's so hard to listen to the repetition, it's nauseatingly predictable. :rolleyes:

eta: it's funny... Whitford was just on a segment with Chris Matthews and I had a flashback to "the entire press corps is looking up how to spell erudite." :D
 
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I was looking over some quotes and noticed his response to the Chinese-hoax assertions:
"I did not — I did not — I do not say that. I do not say that."

I wonder if the last thing he said was not a denial of having ever said it, but instead was an attempt to say that at this point in time, he does not believe it is a hoax i.e "I do not [now] say that." He was interrupting so we know he may not have had enough time to clearly state his position.

On the other hand, he never clarified himself after the debate. Also he might have been denying the Chinese-hoax aspect while still rejecting the idea of global climate change. Again, another point that he could clear up with a tweet or two.

And as was already stated upthread, who can say which way might people shift if Trump were to say, "the latest evidence was given to me and based on that I am now acknowledging that Anthropogenic Climate Change is real and is a threat. Please ignore what I said previously."
 
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Ladewig said:
I was looking over some quotes and noticed his response to the Chinese-hoax assertions:
"I did not — I did not — I do not say that. I do not say that."

I wonder if the last thing he said was not a denial of having ever said it, but instead was an attempt to say that at this point in time, he does not believe it is a hoax i.e "I do not [now] say that." He was interrupting so we know he may not have had enough time to clearly state his position.

On the other hand, he never clarified himself after the debate. Also he might have been denying the Chinese-hoax aspect while still rejecting the idea of global climate change. Again, another point that he could clear up with a tweet or two.

And as was already stated upthread, who can say which way might people shift if Trump were to say, "the latest evidence was given to me and based on that I am now acknowledging that Anthropogenic Climate Change is real and is a threat. Please ignore what I said previously."
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Post-debate, Conway clarified for him but it went largely unreported. He wasn't to be taken seriously for his tweets but his position is that it's no man-made, but natural. Watch her squirm to simply not agree to the word "hoax" which they show Trump using repeatedly, not just in relation to the Chinese tweet.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/donald-trump-climate-change-kellyanne-conway/
 
The bloke is basically saying China is evil and is powerful enough to cause global panic over imaginary warming and is more powerful at manipulating America's economics than America.

Run!!! They could be Chinese ISIS infiltrators needing an abortion
 
CapelDodger said:
Trump must surely have said demeaning things about Monica Lewinsky while defending his fellow philanderer, and the Clinton team must surely have them to hand.
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You know it.

This is pure concern-trolling. Before entering politics, Trump criticized Bill Clinton not for mistreating women, but for failing to find hotter mistresses. He once called Jones a “loser” and said of the Lewinsky scandal that “people would have been more forgiving” if Clinton had slept with “a really beautiful woman of sophistication.” Trump’s message in bringing up Bill’s adultery now is the same as the right-wing slogan he retweeted last year: “If Hillary Clinton can’t satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?”
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Ladewig said:
On the other hand, he never clarified himself after the debate. Also he might have been denying the Chinese-hoax aspect while still rejecting the idea of global climate change. Again, another point that he could clear up with a tweet or two.
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With one tweet Trump might feasibly clear it up. With two we'd be back to confusion. This is Trump, remember. :cool:
 
Ladewig said:
I was looking over some quotes and noticed his response to the Chinese-hoax assertions:
"I did not — I did not — I do not say that. I do not say that."

I wonder if the last thing he said was not a denial of having ever said it, but instead was an attempt to say that at this point in time, he does not believe it is a hoax i.e "I do not [now] say that." He was interrupting so we know he may not have had enough time to clearly state his position.

On the other hand, he never clarified himself after the debate. Also he might have been denying the Chinese-hoax aspect while still rejecting the idea of global climate change. Again, another point that he could clear up with a tweet or two.

And as was already stated upthread, who can say which way might people shift if Trump were to say, "the latest evidence was given to me and based on that I am now acknowledging that Anthropogenic Climate Change is real and is a threat. Please ignore what I said previously."
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I would bet he was making a semantic argument, like those we have seen Trump supporters make on these forums.

Trump didn't actually say* that climate change was a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. He wrote it in a tweet. Thus, Clinton was lying and is evil.








(* Unless he actually did say it on a speparate occasion.)

/ETA: Another common argument is that we shouldn't take what Trump says literally, because reasons. Instead we should attempt to read his mind.
 
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Ladewig said:
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And as was already stated upthread, who can say which way might people shift if Trump were to say, "the latest evidence was given to me and based on that I am now acknowledging that Anthropogenic Climate Change is real and is a threat. Please ignore what I said previously."
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Trump would never say that. How can we be sure? 'Cause he's never done it before. It isn't his style.

His style is to claim that that is what he has always said and anyone who says differently is lying,and any videos or any other sort of record of him saying anything different are taken out of context or are hoaxes.

To do anything else would be to suggest that he might possibly have been wrong about something ... ever.

Of course, his supporters eat this stuff up. It's exactly the same thing they do when they are trying to defend him.
 
quadraginta said:
Trump would never say that. How can we be sure? 'Cause he's never done it before. It isn't his style.

His style is to claim that that is what he has always said and anyone who says differently is lying,and any videos or any other sort of record of him saying anything different are taken out of context or are hoaxes.

To do anything else would be to suggest that he might possibly have been wrong about something ... ever.

Of course, his supporters eat this stuff up. It's exactly the same thing they do when they are trying to defend him.
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You gotta admit: it's a tactic the Clinton team would be completely unprepared for.
 
The transcript doesn't really capture this and I haven't seen any discusson abut this.

HOLT: One of you will not win this election. So my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voters? Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, I support our democracy. And sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But I certainly will support the outcome of this election.

And I know Donald's trying very hard to plant doubts about it, but I hope the people out there understand: This election's really up to you. It's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the kind of country and future you want. So I sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it, because I think it does.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, very quickly, same question. Will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters? TRUMP: I want to make America great again. We are a nation that is seriously troubled. We're losing our jobs. People are pouring into our country.

The other day, we were deporting 800 people. And perhaps they passed the wrong button, they pressed the wrong button, or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption, but these people that we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. Ended up becoming citizens. And it was 800. And now it turns out it might be 1,800, and they don't even know.

HOLT: Will you accept the outcome of the election?

TRUMP: Look, here's the story. I want to make America great again. I'm going to be able to do it. I don't believe Hillary will. The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.
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I actually found it quite disturbing that he would not immediately say he would accept the election results. Did anyone else find this disturbing?
 
seayakin said:
I actually found it quite disturbing that he would not immediately say he would accept the election results. Did anyone else find this disturbing?
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Not really. I get the impression that Trump didn't really care much what the questions were as long as he got to say what he wanted to say.
 
CNN just pushed a notification to my iPad that the debate commission is admitting something was wrong with Trump's microphone.

"Regarding the first debate, there were issues regarding Donald Trump's audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall," the commission said in a statement. No other details were immediately made available.
 
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