How to fix black America?

Hercules56 said:
Free public college for all black people?
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Personally I wouldn't go that far. I can certainly see the need for more opportunities (scholarships to the good students, more access to student loans for others.) But "free college" directed only at a certain racial group might cause a backlash due to it being seen as "favoritism".
I would also add mandatory IUD for all black women on welfare, so the problem doesn't get worse.
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Uhhh... no. Just, no.

Now, if you wanted to increase access to birth control for black women (more Planned Parenthood clinics in poorer urban areas) there might be some validity in that. (It would benefit poor people of all races.) But specifically targeting black women on welfare should be considered a non-starter.
 
Segnosaur said:
Personally I wouldn't go that far. I can certainly see the need for more opportunities (scholarships to the good students, more access to student loans for others.) But "free college" directed only at a certain racial group might cause a backlash due to it being seen as "favoritism".
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Yes. If you have free college, it's for all or for none.
 
Segnosaur said:
Personally I wouldn't go that far. I can certainly see the need for more opportunities (scholarships to the good students, more access to student loans for others.) But "free college" directed only at a certain racial group might cause a backlash due to it being seen as "favoritism".
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It's also extremely wasteful. Not everyone should go to college. In fact, right now probably too many people go to college, getting degrees that aren't worth the money spent on them. Making other people spend that money doesn't make that any less wasteful. But when you make something free for somebody, they're going to take it even if it's far less useful to them than it cost. The government shouldn't be making college free for anybody.
 
Segnosaur said:
Personally I wouldn't go that far. I can certainly see the need for more opportunities (scholarships to the good students, more access to student loans for others.) But "free college" directed only at a certain racial group might cause a backlash due to it being seen as "favoritism".
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There are two basic issues here. First, the lack of family wealth among black families due to the simple fact that the US has actively drained their wealth from them throughout US history. A scholarship program (Not loans. Yech.) is, essentially, an attempt to fix this.

The second issue is that college prices are simply far too high right now, and not much of the cost is going to professors. That should also be fixed.

Now, if you wanted to increase access to birth control for black women (more Planned Parenthood clinics in poorer urban areas) there might be some validity in that. (It would benefit poor people of all races.) But specifically targeting black women on welfare should be considered a non-starter.
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I'm pretty sure the word is "eugenics". Expect a lot of anger.
 
Segnosaur said:
I'm not disagreeing with you. That's why I suggested the "mandatory regulations for training", with the hope that anyone wearing a badge will have been taught proper techniques for dealing with things like protesters, or to perhaps weed out the cops that are more likely to be abusive.

Granted you may have a certain amount of backlash complaints about how the Federal or state government (who would be regulating the training) is stepping on the rights of local police forces to do things the way they want.
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Of course. I'd fully expect police unions to push back hard. Nevertheless, if they're going to act like a pack of wild dogs, they should fully expect everyone in their right mind to stay far away from them under all circumstances - and for people to occasionally shoot at them simply because they're portrayed themselves as an invading force.
 
newyorkguy said:
Where would we he buy a ticket to? He doesn't know where he's from, how would he know, all ties were severed centuries ago. Buy a one-way ticket to "Africa," you mean?


A co-worker I got pretty friendly with was from Nigeria. He had worked in Nigeria's national bank, his father was an officer in the military. His older brother had a degree in chemical engineering and worked for a multi-national. In the early 1990s they offered him a chance to immigrate to the United States. He liked it but missed his family and was able to convince his younger brother (my pal) to join him around 1998. His brother got a job in the company where I was working and that's where we met. He used to laugh and say the only place in Nigeria where he ever saw a lion was in the local zoo. Also, when people at work complained about traffic conditions during their commute, he used to say New York traffic was bad but traffic in Lagos had been "much much worse. Terrible!"

I think you need to get out more. ;)
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But racist assumptions about continents are fun for everyone!
 
Shiner said:
I'm not sure of your point.

Roughly 35 million descendants of slaves. 7 generations?

I was comparing them to roughly 5 million descendants of transported convicts. The time and generational gap is similar.

Are you saying white America is racist?! :jaw-dropp

I didn't mention aboriginals because they simply aren't relevant to the point I was making. Not sure what your "complain" refers too.
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I also wonder if they were being effectively discriminated against by banks and other things in the organized fashion that blacks are in the US to this day.

Like how Toyota loans was screwing black customers this year.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-settlement-20160202-story.html
 
Hercules56 said:
I've seen a couple good ideas here.

Massive investment in black inner city communities.

Tax-free zones in such communities for companies to build manufacturing/tech jobs and training centers.

Free public college for all black people?

I would also add mandatory IUD for all black women on welfare, so the problem doesn't get worse.
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Ah good old fashioned Eugenics we can bring it back. Like the good old days when lots of blacks were sterilized with out their consent.
 
Argumemnon said:
Ok let's start with that. What you put that money on? Remember that they already have access to free education.
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Not sure what you mean "put that money on" unless you give the poor money they will remain poor (in general with the very low percentage that do leave poverty behind them).
 
theprestige said:
Classic. No argument. No reasoning. No cites. Just, "take more money from people!" Bravo.
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How else can you "cure" poverty? Poverty is a lack of wealth (which is what I should have said rather than just money which is only part of a person's wealth). To solve the issue of (absolute) poverty people have to be wealthier and the facts are very stark: in general without luck you will remain poor if your family is poor.

Going on about making better opportunities and the like is buying into the fantasy of "it just takes hardwork". And a quick objective look around you should be enough to dispel that fantasy unfortunately I think that for many people the fantasy is too comforting to want to face reality.
 
Darat said:
Not sure what you mean "put that money on" unless you give the poor money they will remain poor (in general with the very low percentage that do leave poverty behind them).
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Ok I will clarify: what do you do with the money? Do you spend it on infrastructure, or do you just give it to them, or what? Giving people money doesn't really remove them from poverty unless you give them a lot of money regularily. So what's your solution, exactly?

How else can you "cure" poverty?
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I'll repeat what I said earlier: normally the "cure" for poverty is education. However in this case, access to education doesn't seem to help all that much. Perhaps there's a cultural element in a lot of those communities that counters this, for instance.
 
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