Polls which show that May is more trusted on the NHS than Corbyn.
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Corbyn's days (very) numbered?
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Polls which show that May is more trusted on the NHS than Corbyn.
It isn't just his policies, it is his views, some of which he has (probably more by chance than design) successfully managed to not articulate into policy.
It is hard to say what the biggest killer is, he has left (and continues to leave) so many hostages to fortune, that the Tory press would be spoilt for choice. His foreign policy views are about the only ones that he is clear on.
History of support for the IRA during its bombing campaign sits pretty uncomfortably with his self-proclaimed (and somewhat... selective) anti-war views. The Sun would have a field day with that.
His espousing of utterly irrelevant causes would make him seem out of touch. Lionising Chavez is a prime example of this - it also shows him promoting a failed economic model.
Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament is a big one - that is probably the biggest killer. His dislike of NATO is probably more important to me, but is possibly less important to much of the electorate - however these and the aforementioned views all play into a narrative of a dangerously anti-Western loon, which the Tory press will jump on, and to be fair, I would tend to agree with.
Then you have his personal qualities, and his demonstrated lack of leadership. He is simply implausible as a potential PM.
Indeed. The shadow health secretary, Diane Abbott, is one person who manages to make Corbyn seem impressive. I have little idea what the Labour policies on
Why?
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And as the research shows it is not a movement to the left in policies that discourages people to vote FOR labour. A good example of this would be a policy to renationalise the railways. That is a "very" left policy yet is immensely popular with many people including nontraditional labour supporters. And give how fast the austerity cuts are now decimating the likes of the NHSs an area the older population are more exposed to a policy to adequately fund the NHSs will also be very popular. Given our electoral system a small percentage move towards any party can result in a healthy majority.
There is nothing inherent in a Labour party led by Corbyn that (ETA for those that saw it I've deleted wrong word
) inherently leads to electoral disaster.
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If you listen to what he actually says rather than what the proven distortions of the mass media say he has said you will not find this hypocrisy.
Because Corbyn is safe until the next election, which means that Labour are going into that one with someone that very few people think is credible*. Once Labour lose the 2020 election, there will need to be a lot of rebuilding - maybe he'll step down, and sufficient numbers of Labour members will realise that it's better to achieve some goals, rather than none. Maybe the Tories implode, and the next Labour leader is highly effective. In that case, it is just possible that they might do well in 2025.
I am not hopeful though. They seem an election behind their course after 1979. We are heading to 1983, not 1987, and the hard left probably don't want to give up leading Labour, even if it means it would be irrelevant.
*Imagine hearing the following on the News:
"After a round of tough negotiations, the Prime Minister, the septuagenarian Jeremy Corbyn and the German Chancellor issued a joint statement on the use of surface to air missiles to defend against the recent spate of low flying pigs"
And as the research shows it is not a movement to the left in policies that discourages people to vote FOR labour. A good example of this would be a policy to renationalise the railways. That is a "very" left policy yet is immensely popular with many people including nontraditional labour supporters. And give how fast the austerity cuts are now decimating the likes of the NHSs an area the older population are more exposed to a policy to adequately fund the NHSs will also be very popular. Given our electoral system a small percentage move towards any party can result in a healthy majority.
There is nothing inherent in a Labour party led by Corbyn that (ETA for those that saw it I've deleted wrong word
it's not the shift to the left that's the issue. it's that Corbyn lacks the skills to sell that shift to a larger electorate. Combine that with a toxic atmosphere inside the PLP, his huge political baggage(IRA support, supporting negotiating on the Falkland's, etc.), and his inability to speak to the media without putting his foot in it. The reason that so many are unhappy is that we desperately need to put a halt to this endless rightwards drift, and Corbyn will pretty much guarantee that won't happen.
Utter nonsense, look at the man's voting record when Labour was in power. Did the media invent his endless attacks on the leadership? No, Corbyn has no right to call for loyalty when he has never displayed any.
I will be only too pleased to retract my statement when you have evidence of his hypocrisy.
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I know you are asking someone else, but I'd say that his support for the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah will kill him in the General Election. All the Tories need to do is tell the broader public some of his quotes about the IRA closer to the election and that will be electoral annihilation
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Can you let us have some of these quotes about the IRA at this distance from the election?
Not a direct quote abut an article giving background
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...w-reports-of-close-links-to-ira-a6689681.html
I know this is the Spectator, but it still looks pretty kosher
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...write-the-history-of-his-support-for-the-ira/
That photo is sufficient for many.
Ditto for this Telegraph article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...rbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html
HEre is Corbyn wiggling about his support for Hamas - also showing him out of his depth against Cameron:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-05-04/debates/16050453000018/Engagements
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Which is catastrophic news for Labour.
That is all very weak, and the Torygraph stuff is an absolute classic.
Between 1986 and 1992, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.
Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.
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So, er, no actual quotes then?
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Perhaps not, but one should remember that the leadership he was attacking led the Labour Party into the 2010 and 2015 elections, and the Blair-Brown years are quite widely regarded as wasted ones. Perhaps he had a point.
He attended an event where the official programme stated that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.”
One doesn't attend such an event if one doesn't support the armed struggle.
You are not going to get recordings or transcripts of speeches from fringe events attended by someone who was an unimportant backbencher in a time before the internet.
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That would be the same Gerry Adams that negotiated with the British government and was always a leading voice for a political rather than a military solution. A political solution can't be reached when the other side is anathematised.
They engaged with Nationalists. "Nationalist" and "terrorist" are not synonymous, but one could be forgiven for not realising that at the time.
He didn't stoop to Cameron's depths, that's true. He held himself above that.
Hezbollah and Hamas don't "believe in killing Jews around the world". The believe in resisting Israel. You might be surprised by how many people have come to realise that "Israel" is not synonymous with "the Jews", and how many have come to see Israel's true nature. Who wants to be in a photo with Netenyahu if they can avoid it?
All that said, I don't think this material is critical. Got anything on Corbyn and ISIS? That's 21st century stuff. I'd start looking with the Telegraph; if there's anything it'll be there.
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That Independent piece seems to be largely "the Telegraph reported ...".
And so back to Corbyn's policies, as opposed to baggage, real or confected. They're what the voters might care about, after all.
These "programmes" - are they just pamphlets, which will have been many and varied, I'm sure? The Irish Nationalist community is notoriously fractious and one could probably find any amount of blood-curdling copy in there. I wouldn't trust the Telegraph to consider such niceties. Would anyone?
And so back to Corbyn's policies, as opposed to baggage, real or confected. They're what the voters might care about, after all.