Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[LondonJohn]

Your claim Curt Knox did not invest heavily in Gogerty-Marriott PR company (an advertising agency) can readily be seen by most posters to this forum as disingenuous.

Once again, please supply evidence that Curt Knox "invest(ed) heavily" in Gogerty Marriott. What dollar amount did Curt Knox invest? Where's evidence to support any dollar amount claimed?

And once again, if you cannot or will not provide evidence to support your accusation, then your accusation can be considered unsupported and thus void. OK?

 

[Vixen]

You really do need to stop making things up and asserting them as fact.

Iron pyrite has a density of around 5g/cm³
Sandstone has a density of around 2.5g/cm³
In other words, iron pyrite is more-or-less exactly twice as dense as sandstone. Meaning, for example, that a given piece of iron pyrite will have a mass double that of a piece of sandstone with the same dimensions.

Why do you continue to blithely make up "facts" like this?

Guede threw that rock through Romanelli's window from outside. It was a physical feat that was well within his capabilities. I guarantee that it's a physical feat that is well within my capabilities too.

I looked up a scholarly table on google and that is what it said. Sandstone is 150 lb per cubic foot, granite, 175lb and iron pyrite similar to sandstone, heavy, because sandstone is a mix of granite, quartz and sand. (Sand being the base for concrete, after all.)

 

[Stacyhs]

That makes the scream all the more intense, that a hard-of hearing lady heard it.Do you have any substantiation the lady concerned 'had a history of mental problems', or is this just a PIP libel attempt to smear a perfectly good, decent, honest, credible witness, and are you aware it is illegal in civilised countries to breach a person's confidential medical records, and in addition, with the intention of causing them personal harm or distress?

No, I thought not. How scurillous!

1)BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA! Yeah, sure. Like she saw headlines in the newspaper of the murder BEFORE it had been discovered!

2) "In sensational news, Oggi Magazine revealed today (see story translated below) that ear witness Nara Capezzalli is near deaf and has mental problems severe enough to require a psychiatric ward."

"“The witnesses … suffer from sufficiently serious problems of deafness, of physical and also mental health, to be hospitalized in a psychiatric ward (as in the case of Nara Capezzali).” (Source: Giangavino Sulas , OGGI Magazine, April 2011)"

"In sensational news, Oggi Magazine revealed today that ear witness Nara Capezzalli is near deaf and has spent time in a psychiatric ward. The 68-year-old widow claimed she heard a piercing scream through double-paned windows on the night of the crime, from an apartment that faces in the opposite direction."

 

[Vixen]

Once again, please supply evidence that Curt Knox "invest(ed) heavily" in Gogerty Marriott. What dollar amount did Curt Knox invest? Where's evidence to support any dollar amount claimed?

And once again, if you cannot or will not provide evidence to support your accusation, then your accusation can be considered unsupported and thus void. OK?

You have already been told the estimate was U$2m.

 

[LondonJohn]

I looked up a scholarly table on google and that is what it said. Sandstone is 150 lb per cubic foot, granite, 175lb and iron pyrite similar to sandstone, heavy, because sandstone is a mix of granite, quartz and sand. (Sand being the base for concrete, after all.)

YOU USED GOOGLE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, your research "skills" are clearly pants, because whatever source you found was fundamentally incorrect.

Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to your source. If it actually exists, that is.....

 

[LondonJohn]

You have already been told the estimate was U$2m.

No. Not this "you have been told" crap again.

And I can be "told" that the estimate was $2m til the cows come home. What I'm asking for is evidence that Curt Knox paid Gogerty Marriott this "estimated $2m".

How on earth can this not be clear? Evidence please. Otherwise it's just a number plucked out of thin air, isn't it?

 

[Vixen]

The rock was casually picked up and bagged one handed by the crime scene technician. The rock Rudy used to break into the law office was described as "big" and "very heavy." So much for seeing reality lol

The photo shows the boulder resting on the floor as the gloved hand holds it, for scale.

Citation please of the size and weight of the lawyers office rock, as I suspect you have just plucked it out of thin air.

 

[bagels]

The photo shows the boulder resting on the floor as the gloved hand holds it, for scale.

Citation please of the size and weight of the lawyers office rock, as I suspect you have just plucked it out of thin air.

I never gave the dimensions or weight of the rock, so now you're imaging seeing things that literally aren't there, like the ladies size shoe print. I thought you could "see reality"

 

[Vixen]

YOU USED GOOGLE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, your research "skills" are clearly pants, because whatever source you found was fundamentally incorrect.

Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to your source. If it actually exists, that is.....

Here you go. Scroll down the alphabetical list.

http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_materials.htm

Sandstone 150 lbs per cubit foot; iron pyrite 150 lbs per cubic foot.

 

[bagels]

Here's the investigator casually placing the giant boulder one handed into an evidence bag:

Here's Vixen seeing reality:

 

[Vixen]

1)BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA! Yeah, sure. Like she saw headlines in the newspaper of the murder BEFORE it had been discovered!

2) "In sensational news, Oggi Magazine revealed today (see story translated below) that ear witness Nara Capezzalli is near deaf and has mental problems severe enough to require a psychiatric ward."

"“The witnesses … suffer from sufficiently serious problems of deafness, of physical and also mental health, to be hospitalized in a psychiatric ward (as in the case of Nara Capezzali).” (Source: Giangavino Sulas , OGGI Magazine, April 2011)"

"In sensational news, Oggi Magazine revealed today that ear witness Nara Capezzalli is near deaf and has spent time in a psychiatric ward. The 68-year-old widow claimed she heard a piercing scream through double-paned windows on the night of the crime, from an apartment that faces in the opposite direction."

You do know OGGI is the Italian equivalent of the SUN? By all accounts, what she called double-glazing is not what we understand by it.

You do know OGGI is a rag alleged to be mafia sponsored and often writes anti-police style articles?

 

[Vixen]

Here's the investigator casually placing the giant boulder one handed into an evidence bag:

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Here's Vixen seeing reality:

[qimg]https://turmarion.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/atlas-lifting-world.jpg[/qimg]

She's had to crouch to pick it up.

 

[bagels]

She's had to crouch to pick it up.

 

[Vixen]

Come to think of it Rudy probably would have had to carry the "big" "heavy" rock up with him in the law office because making a strong accurate throw from 4 meters below over the balcony railing seems implausible and I can't see anywhere he could have thrown the rock from without first climbing up the bars to get to the window.

If Rudy carried the rock I imagine he had it in his pack. So he could have done the same thing at the cottage. This would mean there would be only one trip, so Massei saying no burglar would make two climbs is now irrelevant. Then Rudy simply sits on the outer sill and takes the rock out and bashes it through, then opens the window and scoots inside.

It's one of many options I suppose. So much over analysis of what happened, dang u Vixen.

There is zero evidence Rudy broke in to the lawyers office. It is pure conjecture, to shoe horn in factoids you find convenient for your theory.

Rudy had a light aluminium glass breaking hammer in his backpack. Why would he need to go rummaging around sandstone quarries?

 

[Stacyhs]

It was entirely compatible as being the murder weapon. Amanda herself in her book writes, re the search in the knife drawer, 'One of these was murder weapon'.

As were many other chef knives in Perugia. As was the chef knife in my own kitchen. I guess that's proof I killed Meredith, even though I'm on the other side of the world.

Odd. I have Amanda's book on my Nook and she never wrote "One of these was (the) murder weapon". I just looked.
Assfact file!

 

[bagels]

There is zero evidence Rudy broke in to the lawyers office. It is pure conjecture, to shoe horn in factoids you find convenient for your theory.

Rudy had a light aluminium glass breaking hammer in his backpack. Why would he need to go rummaging around sandstone quarries?

Rudy: While it's true I had stolen loot from a law office stolen on the night it had break-in through a rock smashed second story window, and I left my bloody footprints and handprint in a cottage on the night it had break-in through a rock smashed second story window, I can promise you it's just a coincidence I mean it could happen to anyone lol.

Everybody else: lol yeah sure

 

[Stacyhs]

No, a prior PIP - I believe LoJo - said it was 11.78, as I told you. When the length was measured downwards, based on the police caption above the crime scene photo, I simply reapplied the calculation and it still remains technically a boulder, especially as its density is equivalent to one of the heaviest materials, after granite and lead, of sandstone.

I have an iron pyrite slab from Peru (three beautiful triangular 'crystals' of fool's gold). It is the width of my hand and it is incredibly heavy. Iron pyrite has a similar mass weight per cubic foot as sandstone.

I understand why you keep denying that the boulder is an exceptionally unlikely means of breaking in. However, that you have the chutzpah to argue with physical facts, gives us an insight into your obtuseness and refusal to debate fairly.

Oh dear me. LJ has denied ever saying that. But you insist it was some PIP without providing any evidence of this. You also stated it was a "FACT" and "not debatable" that it was 29 cm. I've provided your exact quotes stating thus. Honestly, just stop.

I don't give a cr** about your iron pyrite. The ROCK was easily lobbed from the car park through the window by Guede and your chutzpah in denying this can only be due to your incredible obtuseness and refusal to debate fairly. I'm a 5'4" woman and I could have done it.

 

[Bill Williams]

Vixen makes excuses for people uttering death threats. Apparently he was only joking.

It was not a death threat. It was merely potentially offensive.

Vixen repeats her excuses for people uttering death threats.

 

[LondonJohn]

Here you go. Scroll down the alphabetical list.

http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_materials.htm

Sandstone 150 lbs per cubit foot; iron pyrite 150 lbs per cubic foot.

Your source has got the density of iron pyrites very wrong. Its actual density is around 5g/cm³ (equating to 5,000kg/m³), as opposed to your list's incorrect figure of 2.4g/cm³ (2,400kg/m³).

One of the important principles of doing good research is to double source things. Had you done so, you'd almost certainly have discovered that your single source was incorrect.


ETA: Multiple sources showing the true density of iron pyrites (note that "specific gravity" means density relative to that of water, and since water has density of 1g/cm³, specific gravity is exactly equivalent to density in g/cm³):

http://www.mindat.org/min-3314.html

http://www.minerals.net/mineral/pyrite.aspx

http://www.azomining.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=349

http://www.webmineral.com/data/Pyrite.shtml

 

[Vixen]

Oh dear me. LJ has denied ever saying that. But you insist it was some PIP without providing any evidence of this. You also stated it was a "FACT" and "not debatable" that it was 29 cm. I've provided your exact quotes stating thus. Honestly, just stop.

I don't give a cr** about your iron pyrite. The ROCK was easily lobbed from the car park through the window by Guede and your chutzpah in denying this can only be due to your incredible obtuseness and refusal to debate fairly. I'm a 5'4" woman and I could have done it.

Citation, please of his denial.

Here's a challenge for you. Download a simple video of you, lobbing a 9.25lb/4.2kg brick through a window 12 feet 4" off the ground, from close up ground level less than 6 feet away from the wall - representing the available space in that alcove - with the 12'4" representing the bottom of the sill.

The video needs to see you aiming it accurately first time and with sufficient force that it penetrates the window (we'll ignore the added factor of the heavy wooden shutters, and that it was nightfall in Perugia).

So that you need not actually break a window, please use a sheet of thick cellophane or paper instead. Someone else should be in the said room filming (a) the brick hurling through it and a stream of where and how it lands (direction).

Assuming the brick doesn't simply rebound back onto you.