Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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LondonJohn said:
Hahahaha! Rest assured that the weird agitation of a tiny bunch of zealous (but utterly irrelevant) obsessives and the potential pompous threats from an egomaniacal Perugia prosecutor are not going to cause "business reputation damage" to Netflix.

And, as it happens, the effect of this particular film on Netflix's reputation is very likely to be quite the opposite.
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That's not what I am hearing, with my ear to the ground.
 
Vixen said:
The director of Twelve Years a Slave adapted a 'true narrative'. He openly declared his anti-slavery interest and Benedict Cumberbatch openly declared some of his ancestors were slave-owners.

Open. Transparent.
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So, hang on a minute. Judging by this, your position is actually that if the film makers of the Knox movie had stated that since (say) 2011 they have, individually and collectively, believed Knox and Sollecito to have been unfairly convicted, with the help of an egomaniacal moralistic grandstanding prosecutor and a disgusting pack of press stringers........

....... then you'd have no complaints?

Really?

And ONCE AGAIN, I am going to ask you for evidence that the film makers ever in fact attempted to deceive by making public statements to the effect that they went into the making of the Knox film with no pre-conceived point of view.

Because absent that, you have absolutely nothing in any case.

So. Evidence please.
 
Vixen said:
That's not what I am hearing, with my ear to the ground.
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That's priceless!!!!!

Your "ear to the ground"!!! I thought only Quennell acted out these sorts of ridiculous fantasies! Pray, what are you hearing with your "ear to the ground"?!

But thanks for sending me to bed laughing.

"Ear to the ground" :D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Stacyhs said:
And this from the woman who
1) had a history of mental problems and had been hospitalized for them.
2) declared she saw newspaper headlines about the murder BEFORE the murder was even discovered.
3) was hard of hearing, according to her niece.
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That makes the scream all the more intense, that a hard-of hearing lady heard it.

Do you have any substantiation the lady concerned 'had a history of mental problems', or is this just a PIP libel attempt to smear a perfectly good, decent, honest, credible witness, and are you aware it is illegal in civilised countries to breach a person's confidential medical records, and in addition, with the intention of causing them personal harm or distress?

No, I thought not. How scurillous!
 
Vixen said:
I have no control over what you haven't read. I informed you the topic had been discussed and the diagonal calculated as 29cm.

You and Wilson85 claimed that the boulder had never been measured - as averred by Raff in an interview - and you accused The Murder of Meredith Kercher.com of lying about it.Methos then provided the measurements from the police photo file which stated the boulder was 20cm x 16cm x 11cm. From pythagaros we get 25.62cm.

So it's 3.48cms difference (about 1"). Stop quibbling. The matter is settled.
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No, I never claimed any such thing. Provide the comment number where I said any such thing. Good luck.

No, I never said TMOMK lied about the measurements. I said their citation to page 49 of the Massei report was false. The Massei report did not give the measurement of the rock.
Stop claiming I said things I never said.
 
LondonJohn said:
So, hang on a minute. Judging by this, your position is actually that if the film makers of the Knox movie had stated that since (say) 2011 they have, individually and collectively, believed Knox and Sollecito to have been unfairly convicted, with the help of an egomaniacal moralistic grandstanding prosecutor and a disgusting pack of press stringers........

....... then you'd have no complaints?

Really?

And ONCE AGAIN, I am going to ask you for evidence that the film makers ever in fact attempted to deceive by making public statements to the effect that they went into the making of the Knox film with no pre-conceived point of view.

Because absent that, you have absolutely nothing in any case.

So. Evidence please.
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Oh read the blurb trailers for goodness sake, instead of indulging in faux histrionics.
 
Vixen said:
Because I can see reality for what it is.
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Certainly better than anyone that has posted in this thread, PGP or PIP, since you're the only one from either side that sees a ladies size 37 shoe print in Rudy's Nike's.
 
Vixen said:
If you round it up or down, it is pretty much spot on.
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It still doesn't detract from the fact that Pythagoras' Theorem only works for calculating the longest diagonal if all the sides of the object are perpendicular to each other (i.e., in this particular instance, if the rock were a perfect brick shape with squared corners).

Given that the rock in this case was actually closer to a wedge of cheese than a brick in nature, the true longest diagonal must, by definition, be a lesser number than the result given by application of Pythagoras' Theorem.

And regardless, this rock would never, ever be termed a "boulder" in the everyday use of language. It's only ever been termed a boulder by pro-guilt commentators who have a vested interest in implanting the impression that it must have been too "enormous" to have been the object that was propelled from outside through Romanelli's window.

Except for the embarrassing time when the same rock was deemed by the same pro-guilt "expert" to be eminently throwable by Knox :D
 
Vixen said:
Oh read the blurb trailers for goodness sake, instead of indulging in faux histrionics.
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What are you talking about?

Provide evidence that any of the film makers ever tried to deceive by stating that they went into the making of the Knox movie with no pre-conceived views about the case.

If you can't/won't do that, then your little theory about all this falls at the very first hurdle.
 
Vixen said:
That makes the scream all the more intense, that a hard-of hearing lady heard it.
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And yet practically NOBODY ELSE in the entire vicinity (including several dozen apartments, Piazza Grimana or the parking garage) heard this ginormously loud, blood-curdling "scream of death". Ain't that strange!

(As a coda, "superwitness" Curatolo didn't hear this extraordinarily loud scream either, despite being clearly close enough to have been able to do so. Maybe he'd drifted into a Heroin-induced catatonic torpor by that point?)
 
Stacyhs said:
No, it was not 29 cm/ 11.78 inches. The diagonal measurement was 25.61 cm.
YOU claimed it was 29 cm.
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No, a prior PIP - I believe LoJo - said it was 11.78, as I told you. When the length was measured downwards, based on the police caption above the crime scene photo, I simply reapplied the calculation and it still remains technically a boulder, especially as its density is equivalent to one of the heaviest materials, after granite and lead, of sandstone.

I have an iron pyrite slab from Peru (three beautiful triangular 'crystals' of fool's gold). It is the width of my hand and it is incredibly heavy. Iron pyrite has a similar mass weight per cubic foot as sandstone.

I understand why you keep denying that the boulder is an exceptionally unlikely means of breaking in. However, that you have the chutzpah to argue with physical facts, gives us an insight into your obtuseness and refusal to debate fairly.
 
Vixen said:
It is common knowledge and freely in the national press Curt Knox hired a PR company. I can only imagine you are being obtuse that you are unable to google this, and that your claim to know nothing about it is untruthful.
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Moving the goalposts yet again? I never denied Curt Knox hired G-M. That is accepted fact. YOU claimed he "invested heavily" in G-M.
"investing" and "hiring" are two very different things. I can only imagine that you are being obtuse in not understanding this.
 
Vixen said:
No, a prior PIP - I believe LoJo - said it was 11.78, as I told you. When the length was measured downwards, based on the police caption above the crime scene photo, I simply reapplied the calculation and it still remains technically a boulder, especially as its density is equivalent to one of the heaviest materials, after granite and lead, of sandstone.

I have an iron pyrite slab from Peru (three beautiful triangular 'crystals' of fool's gold). It is the width of my hand and it is incredibly heavy. Iron pyrite has a similar mass weight per cubic foot as sandstone.

I understand why you keep denying that the boulder is an exceptionally unlikely means of breaking in. However, that you have the chutzpah to argue with physical facts, gives us an insight into your obtuseness and refusal to debate fairly.
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The rock was casually picked up and bagged one handed by the crime scene technician. The rock Rudy used to break into the law office was described as "big" and "very heavy." So much for seeing reality lol
 
LondonJohn said:
It still doesn't detract from the fact that Pythagoras' Theorem only works for calculating the longest diagonal if all the sides of the object are perpendicular to each other (i.e., in this particular instance, if the rock were a perfect brick shape with squared corners).

Given that the rock in this case was actually closer to a wedge of cheese than a brick in nature, the true longest diagonal must, by definition, be a lesser number than the result given by application of Pythagoras' Theorem.

And regardless, this rock would never, ever be termed a "boulder" in the everyday use of language. It's only ever been termed a boulder by pro-guilt commentators who have a vested interest in implanting the impression that it must have been too "enormous" to have been the object that was propelled from outside through Romanelli's window.

Except for the embarrassing time when the same rock was deemed by the same pro-guilt "expert" to be eminently throwable by Knox :D
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When I calculated it had the same weight per cubic foot (150lbs) as sandstone, I looked this up and was surprised to discover that Perugia is famous for its sandstone quarries. It is clear to me that this boulder may well once have been a thick paving or foundation stone.

However, its shape in the photo is rectangular (the 4mm difference between length and width, is hardly material) and thus we can apply a heuristic measurement of its diagonal.
 
Come to think of it Rudy probably would have had to carry the "big" "heavy" rock up with him in the law office because making a strong accurate throw from 4 meters below over the balcony railing seems implausible and I can't see anywhere he could have thrown the rock from without first climbing up the bars to get to the window.

If Rudy carried the rock I imagine he had it in his pack. So he could have done the same thing at the cottage. This would mean there would be only one trip, so Massei saying no burglar would make two climbs is now irrelevant. Then Rudy simply sits on the outer sill and takes the rock out and bashes it through, then opens the window and scoots inside.

It's one of many options I suppose. So much over analysis of what happened, dang u Vixen.
 
Vixen said:
No, a prior PIP - I believe LoJo - said it was 11.78, as I told you. When the length was measured downwards, based on the police caption above the crime scene photo, I simply reapplied the calculation and it still remains technically a boulder, especially as its density is equivalent to one of the heaviest materials, after granite and lead, of sandstone.

I have an iron pyrite slab from Peru (three beautiful triangular 'crystals' of fool's gold). It is the width of my hand and it is incredibly heavy. Iron pyrite has a similar mass weight per cubic foot as sandstone.

I understand why you keep denying that the boulder is an exceptionally unlikely means of breaking in. However, that you have the chutzpah to argue with physical facts, gives us an insight into your obtuseness and refusal to debate fairly.
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You really do need to stop making things up and asserting them as fact.

Iron pyrite has a density of around 5g/cm3
Sandstone has a density of around 2.5g/cm3
In other words, iron pyrite is more-or-less exactly twice as dense as sandstone. Meaning, for example, that a given piece of iron pyrite will have a mass double that of a piece of sandstone with the same dimensions.

Why do you continue to blithely make up "facts" like this?

Guede threw that rock through Romanelli's window from outside. It was a physical feat that was well within his capabilities. I guarantee that it's a physical feat that is well within my capabilities too.
 
Stacyhs said:
Moving the goalposts yet again? I never denied Curt Knox hired G-M. That is accepted fact. YOU claimed he "invested heavily" in G-M.
"investing" and "hiring" are two very different things. I can only imagine that you are being obtuse in not understanding this.
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Your claim Curt Knox did not invest heavily in Gogerty-Marriott PR company (an advertising agency) can readily be seen by most posters to this forum as disingenuous.
 
Vixen said:
When I calculated it had the same weight per cubic foot (150lbs) as sandstone, I looked this up and was surprised to discover that Perugia is famous for its sandstone quarries. It is clear to me that this boulder may well once have been a thick paving or foundation stone.

However, its shape in the photo is rectangular (the 4mm difference between length and width, is hardly material) and thus we can apply a heuristic measurement of its diagonal.
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The density and mass of the rock is utterly irrelevant to any discussion of its size and shape.

And we already know its mass in any case.
 
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