Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Vixen]

When I say "somewhat confusedly known", this is what is referred to:

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So to summarize - a death threat is "poor taste", "ill-considered", "expresses an opinion", and only "could be seen to cross a line."

Nice evasion - there's no expression of whether or not you believe death threats cross a line, only that it could be seen that way. Got it.

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So a death threat is a "stupid comment" and the worst sanction to recommend is that it be "review(ed)". Got it.

Do you still, "not agree with violence in any shape or form"?

Calm down. What on earth has it got to do with me? I am responsible for my own actions and nobody else's.

 

[Bill Williams]

When I say "somewhat confusedly known", this is what is referred to:
So to summarize - a death threat is "poor taste", "ill-considered", "expresses an opinion", and only "could be seen to cross a line."

Nice evasion - there's no expression of whether or not you believe death threats cross a line, only that it could be seen that way. Got it.
So a death threat is a "stupid comment" and the worst sanction to recommend is that it be "review(ed)". Got it.

Do you still, "not agree with violence in any shape or form"?

Calm down. What on earth has it got to do with me? I am responsible for my own actions and nobody else's.

I am calm. I still note you've now backed away from making even a confused statement about a website which you quote as authoritative. At one point you thought it had something to do with you, so does this death threat on that site not have anything to do with you? Are you going to abandon quoting from it? I say this because you thought a death threat was in poor taste (only) and that Pete's sanction for it should be to "review it". Has Pete reviewed it to your satisfaction?

Business as usual at TJMK I suppose.

 

[Vixen]

I am calm. I still note you've now backed away from making even a confused statement about a website which you quote as authoritative. At one point you thought it had something to do with you, so does this death threat on that site not have anything to do with you? Are you going to abandon quoting from it? I say this because you thought a death threat was in poor taste (only) and that Pete's sanction for it should be to "review it".

Business as usual at TJMK I suppose.

It's not a death threat. It is someone expressing an opinion. I have no control over other people's opinion. Why do you consider it my problem? It is a comment in response to an article. I notice the pro-Knox brigade saturate the comments section of various online newspapers. Are you responsible for any of them, given you yourself are a 'Friend of Amanda'?

Is the person who sends pictures of Vaseline jars to Mez' parents and family your responsibility?

How can I help you?

 

[Bill Williams]

It's not a death threat. It is someone expressing an opinion. I have no control over other people's opinion. Why do you consider it my problem? It is a comment in response to an article. I notice the pro-Knox brigade saturate the comments section of various online newspapers. Are you responsible for any of them, given you yourself are a 'Friend of Amanda'?

Is the person who sends pictures of Vaseline jars to Mez' parents and family your responsibility?

How can I help you?

What is the opinion that this person is expressing? What is the result of Pete reviewing the comment?

Strangely the time you are putting into this is encouraging. But that is about all. You still are dragging up all and sundry to divert from it as a death threat.

Still - you at least are dealing with it, even if going to great lengths to minimize it. That's something.

 

[Vixen]

What is the opinion that this person is expressing? What is the result of Pete reviewing the comment?

Strangely the time you are putting into this is encouraging. But that is about all. You still are dragging up all and sundry to divert from it as a death threat.

Still - you at least are dealing with it, even if going to great lengths to minimize it. That's something.

You really need to speak to the person who wrote it. It has nothing to do with me. What exactly can I do?

 

[Bill Williams]

You really need to speak to the person who wrote it. It has nothing to do with me. What exactly can I do?

You can say nothing and let a death threat pass. Good job.

 

[Stacyhs]

I did explain it. If you know a rectangle is 20 cm by 20cm, you can calculate the diagonal by mathematics, and that's what I did.

The 20cm is the width.

I know what a boulder is. We have plenty of them.

I didn't ask you to explain it. I asked you to cite a source that says the diagonal measurement was 29 cm and not the 20 cm stated in TMOMK. You don't know that the rock was 20 cm X 20 cm. You claimed that without providing any evidence of it whatsoever.

I know what a made up "fact" is. You've presented plenty of them.

 

[acbytesla]

Have you seen the size of the average male (or female) shotputter?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s.....69i57j0l5.6182j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for proving my point about upper body strength. Rudy is slender and willowy - a typical basketball profile - there is no way he'd have the enormous strength to lever himself up onto the sill without a grip, as the professional rock climber did in the tampered video, or at least it's unlikely anyone would exert such life and death effort to raid a temporary student dwelling. In any case, none of the valuables were touched.

Totally clueless post Vixen. Feel free to YouTube rock climbing. None of them look like shot putters. They almost all have wiry builds like Rudy has.

I keep coming back to see if you ever start being intellectual honest. Apparently not yet.

 

[Welshman]

You should have turned up at the trial to put forward your submissions. I daresay the time of 21:20 or 21:26 is not material in the grand scheme of things.

Thank you for your amusing suggestion, 'Nencini is a liar'.

If Vixen read the link I gave the lies told by Nencini are listed which makes Nencini a liar.

 

[Wilson85]

It is an established fact the weight of the boulder is 4.4kg.

Here is the interview with RS. Roberta Bruzzone mentions a 4kg rock and RS insistantly refuse it. He says it hasn't been analyzed and the weight is not documented.

See at 13:01:
youtube.com/watch?v=F-QeRH_dGE0&feature=youtu.be&t=773
(sorry still not allowed to post links)

I am really wondering where these +4kg is coming from...

 

[Methos]

Here is the interview with RS. Roberta Bruzzone mentions a 4kg rock and RS insistantly refuse it. He says it hasn't been analyzed and the weight is not documented.

See at 13:01:
youtube.com/watch?v=F-QeRH_dGE0&feature=youtu.be&t=773
(sorry still not allowed to post links)

I am really wondering where these +4kg is coming from...

Looks like the 4kg is an approximation made by Pasquali

Sotto la sedia, in prossimità di una busta di carta di colore nero, si osserva un sasso di discrete dimensioni (indicato con il n. 1 nelle foto del sopralluogo) accostato ad un altro frammento del medesimo genere, il cui peso complessivo risulterà prossimo a 4 kilogrammi. Altri oggetti (stivali, buste ecc.) sono sul pavimento, sul piano del tavolo e su quello del comodlno (foto n. 10-19).

For the measurements take a look here:

Le foto successive che riproducono la pietra (foto riprese presso la Polizia di Perugia) sono state effettuate con riferimento metrico costituito dalla carta millimetrata sottostante la pietra stessa per cui è agevole risalire alle sue dimensioni, che sono di cm 20 x 16 x 11.

 

[Vixen]

Looks like the 4kg is an approximation made by Pasquali

For the measurements take a look here:

Thank you, Methos. The police photo shows the width (w) and length (l) to be 20cm and 16 cm and its depth 11cm. According to Pythagoras, (l^2 + w^2 = d^2, where d = diagonal), that makes the diagonal 25.61cm.

20^2 + 16 ^2= 656.
.'. d = sq root 656 = 25.61249 Q.E.D. ::

By Stacey's own criterion, which she got from googling, as it is >25cm (or >10in), it is therefore perfectly correct to call it a 'boulder', and not an exaggeration or hyperbole.

 

[Vixen]

Totally clueless post Vixen. Feel free to YouTube rock climbing. None of them look like shot putters. They almost all have wiry builds like Rudy has.

I keep coming back to see if you ever start being intellectual honest. Apparently not yet.

I am not saying it is impossible, I am saying it is improbable. I actually have a range of Weider ladies dumbbells of various weights (which I gave to my son, not having used them for yonks). He recently gave them back to me to take to the charity shop, so they are there in the corner. I picked up one, and it was incredibly heavy - I'd certainly have trouble throwing it. I assumed it was the 5kg ones, but to my shock, they were only 3kg!

No wonder when the boulder was passed around the juror judges, they gasped and comented on how extraordinarily weighty it was.

Seriously, no sane burglar would think of lobbing that in the dark above his head to 12'4" (or 3.78m). These are police measurements from the ground to the window.


In any case, it has been proven that the boulder was thrown from inside Filomena's room, by experts in missile trajectory. There is a clear fresh indentation on the inside shutter and the missile landed under the chair under the desk against the adjacent wall.

Which one of us is 'intellectually dishonest'?

 

[Vixen]

Here is the interview with RS. Roberta Bruzzone mentions a 4kg rock and RS insistantly refuse it. He says it hasn't been analyzed and the weight is not documented.

See at 13:01:
youtube.com/watch?v=F-QeRH_dGE0&feature=youtu.be&t=773
(sorry still not allowed to post links)

I am really wondering where these +4kg is coming from...

Wow. That's really telling. Why would Raff vehemently deny the boulder is >4kgs. If he is innocent, why would he care? Why is it so important to him to have everyone believe Rudy somehow did a shotput with it, either from the ground or the car park? As the burglary is upheld to have been faked, then of course, we have to turn our attention towards who could possibly want to fake a break in. All eyes turn to Amanda and Raff.

It recalls to mind an old schoolboy saying (about passing wind, but apposite here), 'He who denied it, supplied it."

 

[Vixen]

So now it would take "enormous strength" to climb that wall? The climber looks of average male strength and he said it would "not be a problem" for someone built like Guede and not an experienced climber to climb it. I like the "life and death" touch. And the video was "tampered" with now? Who did the tampering? The British Channel 5? Did the million dollar PR machine get to Channel 5 too? Good heavens! Does their influence know no bounds?

The rent money Guede knew would most likely be in the cottage due to the date it's due would not be "temporary" nor would the laptops students use so your point is irrelevant. Cell phones were taken which is all Guede grabbed once he realized stealing and fencing anything from the cottage would place him at the scene of the murder. It's likely why he ditched the phones.

Your constant need to use hyperbole is amusing. Perhaps you think it adds credence to your comments? Hint: it doesn't. It actually diminishes them.

Would, could, should.

C5 is a broadcasting channel. The persons making the documentary were an independent tv production company. It looks like the doc was rejected by giants BBC, ITV and C4. It was shown very late at night, so I doubt it even reached an audience of 100K. It is one of those late night fillers when everybody is either in bed or just on in the background whilst people potter around in the kitchen until something decent comes on.

 

[Vixen]

You can say nothing and let a death threat pass. Good job.

What do you mean 'let a death threat pass'? It is not a death threat, it is a death wish, completely different. In any case, why ask me, a minority opinion? I am a peace-loving person and not at all typical of the average population. Here in the UK we are now have stories of second generation children of Polish descent being racially abused and a couple of Polish men killed by 'leave EU' thugs in Essex. We had a 'remain' MP killed by a hate-filled nutter. Every time you turn on the telly there are hate message programmes directed towards people on benefits (welfare), asylum seekers, football rivals, rugby rivals, any old rival, foreigners, gypsies; we are subjected to rants by Trump, Farage, May; you name it.


ETA It looks like the comment has now been removed, so you see, TJMK is a responsible site.

 

[Bill Williams]

What do you mean 'let a death threat pass'? It is not a death threat, it is a death wish, completely different. In any case, why ask me, a minority opinion? I am a peace-loving person and not at all typical of the average population. Here in the UK we are now have stories of second generation children of Polish descent being racially abused and a couple of Polish men killed by 'leave EU' thugs in Essex. We had a 'remain' MP killed by a hate-filled nutter. Every time you turn on the telly there are hate message programmes directed towards people on benefits (welfare), asylum seekers, football rivals, rugby rivals, any old rival, foreigners, gypsies; we are subjected to rants by Trump, Farage, May; you name it.


ETA It looks like the comment has now been removed, so you see, TJMK is a responsible site.

This post implies it should not have been removed. I mean, why would you remove a "wish for death of another person," since that is merely an opinion?

Good job making excuses.

 

[Vixen]

This post implies it should not have been removed. I mean, why would you remove a "wish for death of another person," since that is merely an opinion?

Good job making excuses.

Rubbish. I agree with it being removed, as it doesn't reflect well with the general public.

It is a fact of life that persons convicted of serious crimes are in danger from others (childkillers Mary Bell, Venables and Thompson have all had to be given new secret identities by the state on their release from prison) many do commit suicide. That's the message the poster was giving, that it was better to confess than carry on denying the crime. I don't agree with the way he said it and I don't agree with violence, murder or suicide. I can see that his message comes across as offensive to the general public. OTOH it is a statement to the fact that the idea one can 'get away' with a serious crime is a delusion, is a fair comment. However, he added his preference as to what he wanted to see, and it is this part which was obviously unacceptable for a public site, and Pete was right to remove the comment.

I am still not sure why you think I have any responsibility for it. I have in no way condoned, nor agreed, with the poster's opinion as to what should happen.

ETA So, are you going to continue evading my question: do you condone pro-Knox supporters sending malicious pictures of Vaseline jars to members of the Kercher family?

 

[Sergei Walankov]

Has there been any suggestion in PIP-dom that the glaring errors in Nencini's ruling were an act of sabotage from a man who did not in fact believe AK & RS to be guilty, but was acting as Chieffi had effectively ordered him to?

 

[Bill Williams]

Rubbish. I agree with it being removed, as it doesn't reflect well with the general public.

So, it's a PR problem. Got it.