Here ya' go. This is from the shooters point of view on a M/C with the same type scope and mount. You'll notice that they are well clear of the iron sights.
JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales
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Here ya' go. This is from the shooters point of view on a M/C with the same type scope and mount. You'll notice that they are well clear of the iron sights.
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As some one who is right handed but left eye dominant, I feel I must say that some of us CAN be right handed and left eye dominant.
Also, we can be right handed and left foot dominant. Where's all my goofy brahs? Dropping into a gnarly barrel at Pipeline, I bet ...
BazBear
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Indeed! Overarching proof they don't know one end of a rifle from the other!
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Conspiracy theorists have a long history of portraying the rifle as clapped out, unusable, old surplas from ww1. It is one of those "facts" that appears so often they don't think to check it. Of course, if it was planted, why would a conspiracy use that, and not... You know... A rifle somebody could believe would kill the president? (why not leave the rifle that DID shoot the president?)
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Yep, shooters tend to get hung up on their weapon of choice. Often what they trained or served with. The drum major in my old bagpipe band use to carry his service 45 from Korea when parading. My nephew used the money he got for Christmas one year to buy a Mosin Nagant M1891/30, just cause he liked it from the Medal of Honor video game. I asked him and his father (my brother) if it was a replica, decommissioned or operational. They couldn't say, something you really want to know.
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When I mounted a scope on my 6.5 mm Carcano I had to bend the Weaver mount to hold the scope on the left side so that I could use the stripper clip to load the magazine. Without a stripper clip the rifle holds one cartridge at a time, in the chamber only. With the scope mounted to the left it made it a bit more cumbersome to use right handed as I'm used to rifles with the scope mounted directly over the action. I shot a Dragonov with a scope mounted to the left of the bore, it was also cumbersome.
While it was not too hard to get used to leaving my head off to the side a bit when using a left mounted scope to shoot on the right shoulder, it was rather difficult to use the Carcano on the left shoulder. Unless the rifle was canted at a rather extreme angle, it would be silly to believe it was intended for a left handed shooter.
But in any case I'm sure a motivated former Marine would have no problem using that Carcano left or right handed to shoot a larger target at close range.
While it was not too hard to get used to leaving my head off to the side a bit when using a left mounted scope to shoot on the right shoulder, it was rather difficult to use the Carcano on the left shoulder. Unless the rifle was canted at a rather extreme angle, it would be silly to believe it was intended for a left handed shooter.
But in any case I'm sure a motivated former Marine would have no problem using that Carcano left or right handed to shoot a larger target at close range.
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The cerebellum was damaged
Dr. James J. Humes, testifying before the Warren Commission:
"From my notes of the examination, at the time of the post-mortem examination, we noted that clearly visible in the large skull defect and exuding from it was lacerated brain tissue which, on close inspection proved to represent the major portion of the right cerebral hemisphere.
We also noted at this point that the flocculus cerebri (flocculus cerebelli?) was extensively lacerated and that the superior sagittal sinus which is a venous blood containing channel in the top of the meninges was also lacerated."
Dr. James J. Humes, interview with HSCA forensic pathology panel:
Dr. COE: Dr. Humes, looking at photograph No. 46, I am curious to know whether this destruction you feel is a postmortem artifact in removing the brain, or was part of this, was caused by the bullet you think perhaps? You have a junction between the cerebellum and the---
Dr. HUMES: No; well, I think it was partly caused by the bullet.
Dr. COE: It was?
Dr. HUMES: It was great - it was a tearing type of disruption that basically had to go back to our description. The corpus callosum was torn, was it not Jay? And the midbrain was virtually torn from the pons.
Dr. James J. Humes, testifying before the AARB:
Q. Looking at the basilar view, are you able to ascertain whether either the left or the right cerebellum has been disrupted? We touched on this issue before, but I just wanted to return to that.
A. In this photograph, it would appear the right cerebellum has been partially disrupted, yes.
Q. But not the left cerebellum?
A. Not the left. The left seems pretty intact.
Dr. Paul Conrad Peters, Parkland hospital doctor, letter to author Harry Livingstone (Dr. Peters viewed the autopsy photographs in 1988:
“the cerebellum was indeed depressed on the right side compared to the left.”
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HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel On the Head Entrance Wound Entrance (gunshot) wound of the back of the head:
"The panel notes that the posterior-inferior portion of the cerebellum virtually intact. It certainly does not demonstrate the degree of laceration, fragmentation, or contusion (as appears subsequently on the superior aspect of the brain) that would be expected in this location if the bullet wound of entrance were as described in the autopsy report."
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1967 book The Death of a President by William Manchester (endorsed by the Kennedy family, Manchester was given full access to existing medical materials and interviewed Dr. Burkley five times):
"The last bullet has torn through John Kennedy's cerebellum, the lower part of his brain."
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The brain stem was damaged (maybe even severed entirely)
Dr. James J. Humes, AARB testimony (again):
Gunn: When you removed the brain, which part of the brain did you cut in order to remove it?
Humes: The brain stem.
Gunn: Was the brain--were you able to ascertain whether the brainstem had received any damage prior to the time that you made the incision?
Humes: It was my impression that it had, yes.
Gunn: Was the brainstem already disconnected at the time that you--
Humes: No, it was not disconnected.
Gunn: How was it that you had the impression that it was--that it had received some kind of laceration or injury?
Humes: Well, one of these photographs shows you, as I tried to point out earlier, the one that was here a few minutes ago--
Gunn: The basilar view?
Humes: Yeah, the basilar view shows this disrupted-looking area right there. That's the brain stem.
Gunn: Looking at the basilar view, are you able to ascertain whether either the left or the right cerebellum has been disrupted? We touched on this issue before, but I just wanted to return to that.
Humes: In this photograph, it would appear the right cerebellum has been partially disrupted, yes.
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James Curtis Jenkins, laboratory technologist/assistant to autopsy (who handled Kennedy's brain), 1990 statement to author Harrison Livingstone:
"It wasn't necessary to surgically remove the brain from the skull. I remember Humes saying 'This brain fell out in my hands. The brainstem has been surgically cut.'"
James Curtis Jenkins, 1993 statement to author William Law:
"Dr. Humes removed the brain, and made a kind of an exclamatory statement. I think what he said was 'The damn thing fell out in my hand.'"
(when asked what this could mean) "the brainstem had already been severed."
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And finally, the autopsy reference you were asking for:
[IMGw=640]https://i.imgur.com/HbK5Bo0.png[/IMGw]
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What you've quoted show that the cerebellum was indeed damaged.
What you've quoted does NOT show that the brain stem was damaged PRIOR to the brain being removed. The testimony and other documents from the time of the autopsy are far likely more likely to be accurate than the statements made 27 years after incident and based on recollections of a conversation.
What you've quoted does NOT show that the brain stem was damaged PRIOR to the brain being removed. The testimony and other documents from the time of the autopsy are far likely more likely to be accurate than the statements made 27 years after incident and based on recollections of a conversation.
MicahJava: Dump all these minutiae. Tell the world who snuffed JFK. Come on, after this much time & effort you must surely know.
Name some names. Gimme a culprit. J'accuse & all that.
Because you're getting pretty boring.
Name some names. Gimme a culprit. J'accuse & all that.
Because you're getting pretty boring.
JayUtah
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Or at least quit repeating it. We went over this several times with Robert Prey, who made exactly the same arguments from exactly the same sources just a few years ago in this very thread (or rather one of its many ancestors). MicahJava is relying on his six-month-old foray into assassination literature, perhaps neglecting that his critics have in many cases been debating these points for years if not decades before him.
LSSBB
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Exactly, that's why I brought up the whole 40ish medicalish witnesses.
At least MicahJava didn't call it a "blow out to the back of the head".
World's most flogged dead horse.
Belz...
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...what?
Belz...
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Well, the problem with conspiracy types is that their theories are not very solid, and they know it, if only unconsciously. The result is that they try to fit everything to the theory and end up with various contradictions that they have to explain with further speculations and conspiracies, ad infinitum. That's why CTs get more unwieldy as they go along.
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You do realise this is entirely possible for reasons that have nothing to do with the angle of impact?
Think about the reason for larger exit wounds than entry.
Consider what might happen if the pressure wave expands against a solid limit, like a skull. Why would it not explode out?
We know the wound on JFKs head covers a long distance down the side of the head. But we also know the Occipital bone was damaged at the edge closest to the ear, and not on the occipital nodule.
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