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Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

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Stacko said:
From the Clinton campaign research director in '08:

1. I'm in a strange situation tonight of knowing the answer to a Q being asked: Did the 2008 Hillary campaign push the birther conspiracy?

2. In 2008, I was the research director for Hillary Clinton. This meant I was responsible for all research on Hillary and her opponents.

3. This was a big job, I had a staff of about 20 people.

4. I talked to reporters every day about lots of things, including Obama. I also listened to the convos our press people had w/ reporters

5. I sat right next to Phil Singer who was our national press secretary. He is a very loud person

6. I can say, definitively, that Hillary's 08 research team never pushed the birther conspiracy

7. And I never heard anyone on the press team or any other part of the campaign push the birther conspiracy

8. I was aware of the rumors and chain emails and understood they were totally bogus

9. So when Trump says that the 08 Hillary campaign started the birther stuff, he's lying. I know. I was there​
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tl;dr politics. duh. obama's a muslim and hillary started it. How do you not get this? :rolleyes:

Cogent argument and facts are sometimes just a waste of your time. All of this can be dismissed simply by saying that Hillary is a suspicious character and that someone is being scapegoated on her behalf. There are plenty of serious republicans who know that the birther ct is exactly that. Those are not what make up the bulk of Trump's support base. They won't waiver. Trump knows, in what to me is a surprising indication that he's actually listening to advisors, that he needs to reach beyond the gravel-brained.
 
dudalb said:
Given we are looking at the very real possibility of a political catastrophe, I am really finding your flippant attitude toward everything very annoying. Time to get serious.
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Please elaborate, because none of that post makes ANY sense!
 
Argumemnon said:
Yeah, **** rules! Rules are for pussies. Real men don't need no rules, right?

Why don't you stop saying nonsense.
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Rules like: you need to talk about policy specifics and can't have any help. :confused: A POTUS candidate shouldn't be subjected to these kinds of ridiculous conditions. Particularly when being interviewed by someone like a basketball team owner who has obvious advantages in policy knowledge.

Trump will now effectively admit that $10mil for charity is not worth the 4 hours of his time (which, i expect, is a time period deliberately chosen to demonstrate Trump's horrific attention span)
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump says Obama born in USA, Hilary started the birther controversy in 2008 and he has finished it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37389180
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They do a good job of pointing out The Trumpet's current lies.

Captain_Swoop said:
Is it the BBCs job to 'rebut' him?
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Well presenting accurate news does require pointing oiut when he's lying.

BobTheCoward said:
It's hard to answer that question because here are the list of things that led to that price hike I oppose

FDA
Intellectual property /patents
Incorporation
Greed.
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No charge for the fix.
 
Donal said:
How would that effect a product already on the market?
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The wouldn't really. Some people insist on filtering reality through their ideology.

BobTheCoward said:
More generic versions could be available if they didn't have to prove to the FDA that they complied with the regulations.

Also, there are substitutes that the FDA does not allow pharmacies to substitute in.
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More libertarian nonsense.
 
Donal said:
Except the large, brand name company can lower its price low enough and take the hit long enough to drive the competition out, and then jack the price back up again. See Wal-Mart and to a lesser extent, Starbucks.

In short, you're still wrong. But this thread is about Junior. If you need folks to explain business, government, and markets, you should try another thread.
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Don't expect a libertarian to accept mere facts when they conflict with the One True Way.

logger said:
Lol

Well, that is true. He did cause Obama to release it.
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Untrue.

Stacko said:
Low energy retread of an assassination joke. Sad!
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Kinda pathetic, but what else has the Trumpet got left?
 
catsmate said:
The wouldn't really. Some people insist on filtering reality through their ideology.


More libertarian nonsense.
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The libertarian nonsense is saying it is a good thing. The fact that without the FDA alternatives would be cheaper to come by is not.
 
catsmate said:
They do a good job of pointing out The Trumpet's current lies.


Well presenting accurate news does require pointing oiut when he's lying.


No charge for the fix.
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Greed is responsible for prices going up and going down. We can structure our laws so it does the former, but I would prefer to set it up so it does the latter.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The libertarian nonsense is saying it is a good thing. The fact that without the FDA alternatives would be cheaper to come by is not.
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The FDA and patents certainly do restrict alternatives.

But the FDA requires testing to show that an alternative is functionally equivalent. All this talk about how there would be more alternatives, if not for the FDA, is silly, unless we know that the alternatives would do what they are supposed to do (without doing things that they really should not do).

Your criticism is silly. Requiring rigorous testing is a good thing. It increases the cost of entering the market, and so restricts alternatives, but it does so in order to ensure that consumers will get what they actually need.

(Patents, meanwhile, don't restrict actual alternatives, but restrict who can sell the particular drug in question for particular purposes.)

Hey, I have Libertarian leanings, but anyone complaining that the FDA is unnecessary goes rather too far in my book.
 
Apparently US pre$$titutes and the Killary Kampaign have made some fuss about Trump appearing on RT to talk with the evil Russian propagandist ... uhm, Larry King. Here's the full interview for the record (you know, primary sources n stuff):

 
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