Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

[Ladewig]

But will they point out, hillary was the one who found the opposition research on it?

First off, I am hoping that the lower case H was a typo because I cannot believe someone could be that petty or be that sad as to do it on purpose to get a rise out liberals.

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Second, I just want to point out that a valid criticism of Trump was posted and the response discussed Clinton instead.

Logger, do you have any thoughts as to why Trump was still playing the Birther card in 2016?

 

[Fudbucker]

It picked up steam mostly after she had already suspended her campaign. Some volunteers attempted to spread the secret Muslim theory but they were dismissed and their actions condemned. The PUMAs went for it hardcore and switched from Hillary to McCain for general election.

It had enough "steam" to be reported on Hardball, in 2007:

BOB KERREY (D), FORMER U.S. SENATOR: There is a smear campaign going on. And people acting as if he‘s an Islamic “Manchurian Candidate.” And I feel it‘s actually a substantial strength.
He is a Christian. Both he and his family are Christians. They have chosen Christianity. But that connection to Indonesia and a billion Muslims on this Earth, I think, is a real strength, and add an awful—a lot of value in his foreign policy efforts.

I have told Barack Obama, when I have met with him—it‘s something that I have spoken about before, so this is not something that just sort of came out of the head-birth out there in Iowa. I thought about it a great deal. I have—I have watched the blogs try to say that—that you can‘t trust him because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa.
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MATTHEWS: So, is Hillary backer Bob Kerrey pretending to sell Obama, but clearly putting the shiv in?

Here is Hillary Clinton defending him and Bob Kerrey: “I think the remarks were very positive. I know Bob. He was being very complimentary of Senator Obama. He was making a point that Senator Obama makes himself all the time, that, because of his upbringing and his heritage, he is, in his view”—“in his view”—catch that line—“very well-suited to communicate with the rest of the world. And he has just himself that he wants to have a particular outreach to the Islamic world. So, I think Senator Kerrey was being, you know, very generous in what he said.”

But didn‘t Hillary dump on Obama a few days ago for playing up his Indonesian roots? So, what is she up to here? Is she pushing how great he is for having been born in Indonesia, or what, or simply reminding everybody about his background, his Islamic background?
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22326842/...s/t/hardball-chris-matthews-dec/#.V9yLEvkrKCg

"Clinton’s top strategist, Mark Penn, circulated a memo in March 2007 on Obama’s “Lack of American Roots,” urging the campaign to highlight his “diverse, multicultural” roots and the fact that he is “not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.” The memo was made public after the collapse of her campaign."
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-denies-starting-birther-theory

 

[Trebuchet]

Very quick prediction of what Trump will say about birtherism, since he's already starting to talk:
1. He will NOT say he was wrong. He will not flatly state that Obama is a natural born citizen. He'll hedge and equivocate. He'll say "probably".
2. He won't apologize, in fact he'll brag about what a wonderful thing he did for the country by appealing to its basest instincts and playing up to racists like Joe Arpaio. After all, he was Just Asking Questions.
3. He'll blame the whole controversy on Hillary, personally. Despite that being an utter falsehood.
4. And his supporters here will agree with the latter.

ETA: Or he'll just blow off the whole thing, contrary to what his campaign has promised.

I want Randi's Million Bucks!

And let's just think about this for a moment: Some idiots who originally supported Hillary in 2008 (and subsequently switched to McCain) started a nonsensical rumor. Which Donald Trump, contrary to all real evidence, picked up and supported for five or six years. Just how stupid is he?

 

[logger]

First off, I am hoping that the lower case H was a typo because I cannot believe someone could be that petty or be that sad as to do it on purpose to get a rise out liberals. <snip>

Second, I just want to point out that a valid criticism of Trump was posted and the response discussed Clinton instead.

Logger, do you have any thoughts as to why Trump was still playing the Birther card in 2016?

You're upset at a lower case H <snip> ? That is the most hilarious thing I've seen all week.

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[logger]

I want Randi's Million Bucks!

And let's just think about this for a moment: Some idiots who originally supported Hillary in 2008 (and subsequently switched to McCain) started a nonsensical rumor. Which Donald Trump, contrary to all real evidence, picked up and supported for five or six years. Just how stupid is he?

You don't win the million bucks because its fact, it came from her campaign.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rump-claim-on-clinton-birther-role-false.html


And here
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/w...n-surrogate-pitched-me-birther-story-in-2008/

 

[Ladewig]

I want Randi's Million Bucks!

And let's just think about this for a moment: Some idiots who originally supported Hillary in 2008 (and subsequently switched to McCain) started a nonsensical rumor. Which Donald Trump, contrary to all real evidence, picked up and supported for five or six years. Just how stupid is he?

Five or six years?! He was championing birtherism at the beginning of 2016.

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Also, I don't think it is stupidity. He didn't really believe President Obama was born overseas. He was doing it for the attention. The question is not how stupid is he, the question is how morally bankrupt is he.

 

[Ladewig]

You're upset at a lower case H <snip> ? That is the most hilarious thing I've seen all week.

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[logger]

Five or six years?! He was championing birtherism at the beginning of 2016.

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Also, I don't think it is stupidity. He didn't really believe President Obama was born overseas. He was doing it for the attention. The question is not how stupid is he, the question is how morally bankrupt is he.

Actually most realize it started with hillary, and most will remember Trump was the one who got obama to finally release his birth certificate.

 

[Donal]

logger, when do you think Junior will pay the $5 million dollars to charity he promised?

Or the tax returns he said are so important for a presidential candidate?

Or reveal the super duper secret that would have invalidated Obama's presidency he got from his investigators in Hawaii?

 

[logger]

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[logger]

logger, when do you think Junior will pay the $5 million dollars to charity he promised?

Or the tax returns he said are so important for a presidential candidate?

Or reveal the super duper secret that would have invalidated Obama's presidency he got from his investigators in Hawaii?

Probably when hell freezes over?

Of course I've said he shouldn't release them, there isn't a reason to, n one cares about them.

 

[Donal]

This guy thinks it is important.

But hey, he's probably just some loser and hater.

 

[logger]

This guy thinks it is important.

But hey, he's probably just some loser and hater.

Cute.

This is a different election.

Again, no one cares abut his taxes except the left.

 

[NoahFence]

Cute.

This is a different election.

Again, no one cares abut his taxes except the left.

Right.

 

[logger]

Right.

 

[Ladewig]

Actually most realize it started with hillary, and most will remember Trump was the one who got obama to finally release his birth certificate.

Trump spent several years after the birth certificate release claiming that the matter wasn't settled. He claimed he sent investigators to Hawaii.

So why did Trump keep playing the Birther card all the way to 2016. I am asserting he continued because he wanted attention. Do you have a better explanation for that behavior?

 

[Ladewig]

Cute.

This is a different election.

What makes it so different? Why was it a valid demand then and an invalid demand now?

 

[Garrison]

Yes. It is the job of the news media not to broadcast known falsehoods without comment.

They have, repeatedly, there's an extensive article about it on their website today. The BBc doesn't need to point out to UK viewers that birtherism is nonsense, anymore than they have to remind everyone the world is a globe if they mention the Flat Earth society.

 

[tyr_13]

Actually most realize it started with hillary, and most will remember Trump was the one who got obama to finally release his birth certificate.

Here we have not only a lie, but doublethink at the same time.


Hillary is a badperson for 'starting' birtherism (which is not true), yet Trump is plusgood for continuing it.

There is no valid reasoning here and your opinions should on the matter should be dismissed. Sadly, many agree with them. Even more sadly, there will be no conservatives calling you out on this, and thus their movement will remain in the trash.

 

[A'isha]

Actually most realize it started with hillary, and most will remember Trump was the one who got obama to finally release his birth certificate.

It didn't start with Clinton.