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JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

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MicahJava said:

Please name one person who handled the body who agrees with the cowlick entrance wound. The BOH photo looks like a drop of blood and the x-rays look like a fracture. Do any of your citations attempt to explain why the X-ray looks like a skull fracture and not a bullet hole? I didn't consider that the doctors could have parted his hair out of the way to make a wound visible (it looks like the spot where the hair naturally parts), but like I said, what doctor said that happened?
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That's pretty much been your problem here right along.
 
Axxman300 said:
This has been done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoMY0eR3eEs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjrupSwqrAs
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That bit has nothing to do with the EOP as an entrance wound.

You'd be wrong on that. A skull does funny things to a bullet.
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I think there is enough doubt within the perimeters of simple common sense to make the burden of proof on you. It's not like such a trajectory was matched in the brain.

There was no need to cover-up anything. The impact from behind is obvious to even the casual shooter.
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What does this have to do with the EOP wound?


Or they were medical experts and ballistic experts.
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At least you seem to agree with the EOP wound. There was no brain to examine and no experiment that replicated so I'm not sure what you mean. The Rydberg drawings show Kennedy leaning over so it's pretty obvious that there was casual deception at every corner that these experts wound not have considered.

This would be a lie, proven long ago to be a lie.
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Nope.

The simple truth of the shoots all coming from behind comes from the lack of wounds to Jackie. A shot from the knoll would have killed or wounded her too.

Again, bullets don't lie.
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You were just saying how magic bullets can deflect in any direction no matter what. Even the cowlick entrance would have exited out of the face if it went in a straight line. Either way, any shots from the front are irrelevant to the EOP wound.
 
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traxy said:
So we're supposed to refute the guess work of untrained laymen now?

I'll take the opinion of the teams of trained anthropologists, pathologists and photography experts that have examined the evidence first hand over Pat Speer if it's all the same to you.
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It's a simple matter of perspective with these two photographs. You can recreate the photos with a skull and a circular object representing the autopsy table drainage holes. The small hole in the back of the head is also plainly visible, you can actually see the light reflecting off the edge of the bone so it can't be an optical illusion from a bit of tissue or something like that.
 
MicahJava said:
I'm not hearing any names.
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The names have already been provided. Here they are again.


Dr. James Humes
Dr. J. Thornton Boswell
Dr. Pierre Finck
Dr. John Coe
Dr. Joseph Davis
Dr. George Loquvam
Dr. Charles Petty
Dr. Earl Rose
Dr. Werner Spitz
Dr. Cyril Wecht
Dr. James Weston
Dr. William Carnes
Dr. Russell Fisher
Dr. Russell Morgan
Dr. Alan Mortiz
Dr. Robert McMeekin
Dr. Richard Lindenberg
Dr. Fred Hodges

Every one of these pathologists have either testified under oath and/or included in an official government report that one bullet entered the back of JFK's head and exited from the right front of his head.

Again, do you have any evidence that every single one of them was wrong or lying?

And you still haven't answered my previous question, do you know what happened to JFK's brain or is this another area where you're keeping yourself deliberately ignorant because you're afraid of learning something that may change your mind?
 
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MicahJava said:
It's a simple matter of perspective with these two photographs. You can recreate the photos with a skull and a circular object representing the autopsy table drainage holes. The small hole in the back of the head is also plainly visible, you can actually see the light reflecting off the edge of the bone so it can't be an optical illusion from a bit of tissue or something like that.
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The spot you're talking about is nowhere near the EOP, never mind above it and to the right. It's actually well below the EOP.
 
traxy said:
Every one of the autopsy physicians.
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No, it's the exact opposite.

The spot you're talking about is nowhere near the EOP, never mind above it and to the right. It's actually well below the EOP.
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Oh please, spare us the details. What are you talking about? The photographs do not show the neck, therefore they portray the skull from more above.
 
devnull said:
Pffft, I could make that shot all day, every day.

I didnt though. It wasnt me. I swear.
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That photo really looks like a model train layout. Somewhere in America I suspect that there's a model train enthusiast/CT loon that has a miniature Dealey Plaze set up, complete with a little mini figure of a riflemen behind the fence on the other side of the grassy knoll, and a guy with a black umbrella standing next to the motorcade route.
 
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MicahJava said:
If the photos show the top of the head, with no neck in sight, how can they show anywhere below what could be considered the EOP?
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If you go back in the never ending JFK threads and search for member Robert Prey you can review the plowed ground of the autopsy photos and diagrams.

This might be new to you, but not so much for us.
 
BStrong said:
If you examine a firearm equipped with a mounted optic and said optic is not in perfect alignment a reasonable examiner might come to the conclusion that the firearm may have been dropped or damaged in some other fashion.
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This is an assumption, not a fact. Speculation is not an explanation. I agree that a "reasonable examiner" might come up with this as a possibility...
 
The scope issue is a bit of a red herring.

First, the misalignment has several possible explanations, which could have occurred after the shooting. These include: the previously mentioned dropping of the rifle. It is not unreasonable to assume that the shooter was anxious to leave the location, and may not have taken great care in setting the rifle down carefully. In addition, it's location between two crates, which would have made it difficult to set down, argues in favor of a drop. The handling of the rifle between it's recovery and the test firing is another possibility. The partial palm print found on the barrel under the fore-end indicates that the rifle was disassembled, and then reassembled before test firing. Also, handling of the weapon while being transported to DPD is an open question.

Second, it's not clear that the scope was used in the shooting. At the short range in question, the scope was not necessary, nor desirable. A "see-under" mount was used, attached to the left side of the receiver, it held the scope high enough that the factory sights, which were still installed, could be used. For a moving target, at that range, I would have used the iron sights.
 
There was no brain to examine and no experiment that replicated so I'm not sure what you mean. The Rydberg drawings show Kennedy leaning over so it's pretty obvious that there was casual deception at every corner that these experts wound not have considered.
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The drawings are a non-issue, they were done quickly, and were made with great sensitivity to the general public and the Kennedy family. They were meant to illustrate the path of the bullets, they were not medical documents.

As far as JFK's brain goes, it with him at Arlington. RFK had it placed with his casket when they moved the President to his permanent home under the eternal flame. Nobody's going to ever see it again.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Me, I'm a present proof that it was a conspiracy instead of all this incessant nibbling around the edges of arcane minutiae that has repeatedly been dealt with over the decades man.
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Oh, excuse my manners. Let's go back to endless speculation about whether or not a sniper could hide behind the grassy knoll and unsourced claims of how easy Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged accomplishments were. Nobody here cares to give any legitimate critique of the interpretation of the F8 autopsy photos that has the EOP wound clearly visible (which was the original interpretation, by people who actually saw the body). You can see that EOP hole much better than any cowlick evidence - a slight fracture on the skull X-rays or the dry drop of blood on the BOH photo. I think I'm gonna sign off for the third time now.
 
MicahJava said:
Oh, excuse my manners. Let's go back to endless speculation about whether or not a sniper could hide behind the grassy knoll
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No speculation on that score is necessary. Or you might "speculate" for about thirty seconds. Just look for yourself. There is ample photographic documentation of how the area looked at the time.

MicahJava said:
and unsourced claims of how easy Lee Harvey Oswald's alleged accomplishments were.
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"Unsourced"?! You are either kidding or you haven't been paying attention.

MicahJava said:
Nobody here cares to give any legitimate critique of the interpretation of the F8 autopsy photos that has the EOP wound clearly visible
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You are distributing the label "legitimate" only according to your own fond wishes, evidently.
 
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