Corbyn's days (very) numbered?

[Craig B]

When they make up an story about him face *********** a dead pig let me know

I will. That's a promise.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

The UK papers didn't make that story up, it was in the biography "Call me Dave" by Lord Ashcroft and Isabelle Oakshott. The claim was in the public domain and went viral, ignoring it would have been impossible but coverage of the allegation was actually notably tame and stressed the lack of corroboration.

 

[Primus]

The UK papers didn't make that story up, it was in the biography "Call me Dave" by Lord Ashcroft and Isabelle Oakshott. The claim was in the public domain and went viral, ignoring it would have been impossible but coverage of the allegation was actually notably tame and stressed the lack of corroboration.

Sounds like a similar situation to picures of Corbyn walking through empty carriages before claiming he couldn't get a seat blowing up all over the internet.

 

[ceptimus]

I don't think Corbyn was as pigheaded as Cameron though.

 

[angrysoba]

I don't think Corbyn was as pigheaded as Cameron though.

Whose actions were rasher?

 

[Airfix]

Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn were on Question Time last night, Corbyn did better than Smith, Smith came across as being lying manipulative a bit deluded and ever so slightly mad.

 

[GlennB]

Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn were on Question Time last night, Corbyn did better than Smith, Smith came across as being lying manipulative a bit deluded and ever so slightly mad.

Smith is an ex big-pharma lobbyist

 

[Aber]

The routine (as I recall, it's been a long time since I went through these hassles) is that if you walk the length of the train but can't find a seat then you go back when the train's well on its way and look for:

1) An unoccupied seat that was reserved from London, a no-show in other words. Check with neighbouring passengers in case that one has gone for coffee or something.

2) Failing that, a seat that's reserved from somewhere up the line, ideally as far from the start as possible to give you the maximum sitting time before the reservee gets on.

3) Failing those then there really are no seats at all, in which case you stand or sit on the floor.

Correct - and I obviously have more recent experience of the delights of Virgin trains

1) Others claiming to have been unable to get a seat were either lying or very dim.

Yes - not everybody makes the effort to walk the length of the train, either because they are dim, inexperienced about train travel, or they have significant luggage

2) Virgin staff acted strangely in not telling seatless passengers, including Corbyn, that there were standard seats available.

Wrong - there are initially generic announcements based on where spaces are likely to be based on bookings, plus mention of unreserved carriages; after the ticket inspector has been through the train there will be more specific announcements about where there is empty space on the train.

3) Virgin staff acted even more strangely in upgrading that family to 1st class in order to accommodate Corbyn.

I thought the story was that they offered to upgrade Corbyn first, and only after he refused that this happened (it is unclear whether they recognised him or saw that he had a film crew with him).

Virgin may well have broken the DPA already when they released the video:

“For example, it can be appropriate to disclose surveillance information to a law enforcement agency when the purpose of the system is to prevent and detect crime, but it would not be appropriate to place them on the internet in most situations. It may also not be appropriate to disclose information about identifiable individuals to the media.”

You're confusing Virgin's policy, with what the DPA actually says.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Owen Smith and Jeremy Corbyn were on Question Time last night, Corbyn did better than Smith, Smith came across as being lying manipulative a bit deluded and ever so slightly mad.

Funny that I thought Smith came out better by pkaying to the gallery of repeating the same slights at Corbyn you would expect to see.

thats the thing about politics these days. Selling a narrative is more important than policy

 

[jimbob]

Funny that I thought Smith came out better by pkaying to the gallery of repeating the same slights at Corbyn you would expect to see.

thats the thing about politics these days. Selling a narrative is more important than policy

I know that the Telegraph isn't exactly neutral, but this is still an interesting review of the debate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-floor-with-jeremy-corbyn-in-labours-questio/

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I know that the Telegraph isn't exactly neutral, but this is still an interesting review of the debate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-floor-with-jeremy-corbyn-in-labours-questio/

Think it just confirms that people see what they want to see in these debates.

 

[angrysoba]

I know that the Telegraph isn't exactly neutral, but this is still an interesting review of the debate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-floor-with-jeremy-corbyn-in-labours-questio/

Never mind the Telegraph, the writer is John McTernan whose hatred of Corbyn is well known.

 

[jimbob]

Latest Guardian/ICM polls are not looking good for Labour
Not yet on Guardian
https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

The Guardian – September Poll 1
| 12th September 2016
Martin Boon

In the latest Guardian/ICM poll – which has permanently switched to online data collection allied to twice-monthly outputs – the Conservatives (41%) retain a sizeable gap (13-points) over Labour (28%), even though Labour claw back 1-point compared to our last poll in late August.

The Conservatives dominate English seats in Parliament, and currently sit on a 16-point lead over Labour in England. With Scotland very much in the tight grip of the SNP and the Right making advances in Wales it is hard to see where Labour could look for comfort right now, or that much will change until the leadership contest is over.

 

[ceptimus]

It's no surprise. The public don't want to vote for a disunited party. Once Corbyn has won the Leadership election with an increased mandate, he needs to set about deselecting any MPs not prepared to support their elected leader and replace them with candidates who do support him.

Once the party is united, it will be more electable.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Labour look to lose 30 seats after the re-jigging of constituencies and the intended reduction of the Commkns by 50 MPs.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Labour look to lose 30 seats after the re-jigging of constituencies and the intended reduction of the Commkns by 50 MPs.

I'm disappointed that this hasn't had more coverage and that what I have seen seems to be less interested in substantiatiating or disproving the suggestion of gerrymandering and instead has run suggestions that Jeremy Corbyn will use this as an excuse to deselect his political rivals (presumably IF he wins the leadership election and IF the local parties agree with the selections).

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm disappointed that this hasn't had more coverage and that what I have seen seems to be less interested in substantiatiating or disproving the suggestion of gerrymandering and instead has run suggestions that Jeremy Corbyn will use this as an excuse to deselect his political rivals (presumably IF he wins the leadership election and IF the local parties agree with the selections).

One of the issues which fractured the Labour Party and created the opening for the Blair-Mandelson Tendency, was local parties' power of deselection. Corbyn, and the Bennite left generally, favoured local parties having that power. He'll simply give it to them.

 

[CapelDodger]

Once the party is united, it will be more electable.

The corollary being that if the Tories come to appear disunited (and it's on the cards) they will become less electable.

What a sorry state we've got into.

 

[CapelDodger]

Latest Guardian/ICM polls are not looking good for Labourhttps://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

In the immortal words of Alastair Campbell "You're ******. He's ******. We're all ******."

 

[P.J. Denyer]

One of the issues which fractured the Labour Party and created the opening for the Blair-Mandelson Tendency, was local parties' power of deselection. Corbyn, and the Bennite left generally, favoured local parties having that power. He'll simply give it to them.

But he hasn't yet, or suggested doing it. It's being reported although it's just speculation and is distracting from the fact that the government is making boundary changes that appear to be to their own benefit.