Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Well good for you! The man pulled a stool out from under me, causing me to almost fall on my butt, because he thought I'd "stolen" his bar stool when he went to the bathroom. He then tried to hit me, causing a couple other men to throw him out after I poured the drink on him. But how does this prove that Amanda 1) tossed a drink on the DJ or 2) had a "boiling rage" temper? According to her friends in Seattle, she did not have a temper.

You must have missed it. Former poster here, Machiavelli proved that when it comes to Knox, the whole City of Seattle practises the Mafia concept of Omerta.

So no wonder no one back there would speak about fits of rage. There's many in cement galoshes in Puget Sound for messing with Mafia codes.

 

[Stacyhs]

Stacyhs claimed the court couldn't possibly know Taramontano's (_sp?) testimony was useless as they hadn't questioned him, which does display a lack of knowledge of court procedure. They will have seen his witness statement in advance.

Judges don't go into a case completely blind, although they might like to act as though they do.

You're doing it yet again; claiming I said things I never said. You said:
" But he was not called for cross-examination, and Judge Micheli had not believed him. "

I replied "As just noted, Tramontano's statement was introduced to the court and read. Tramontano was not there in person so it's rather difficult to cross-examine him. In other news accounts, such as Ann Wise's June 27 report, there is no claim that the judge did not believe Tramontano's statement."

Exactly where did I say "...the court couldn't possibly know Taramontano's (_sp?) testimony was useless"?

Please stop claiming I said things I haven't said. It's becoming rather tedious to have to post my actual quotes to disprove them.

 

[Stacyhs]

Not being called to testify is not evidence that the judge did not believe them. That is an assumption. Quennell claimed the judge didn't believe him in his TJMK article:
"A statement to police by Christian Tramontano was introduced; he claimed Guede once broke in and threatened him. But he was not called for cross-examination, and Judge Micheli had not believed him. "

(Someone should have let Quennell know it was Massei, not Micheli, who presided over the 2009 trial.)

As just noted, Tramontano's statement was introduced to the court and read. Tramontano was not there in person so it's rather difficult to cross-examine him. In other news accounts, such as Ann Wise's June 27 report, there is no claim that the judge did not believe Tramontano's statement.

You must have missed it. Former poster here, Machiavelli proved that when it comes to Knox, the whole City of Seattle practises the Mafia concept of Omerta.So no wonder no one back there would speak about fits of rage. There's many in cement galoshes in Puget Sound for messing with Mafia codes.

Oh, come now, Bill. It's obvious it's not the Mafia. That's Raffaele's family. The whole City of Seattle are bought and paid for PR shills.

By the way, did Vixen ever provide any proof whatsoever that an employee of del Prato's was fired for giving Guede a key? And that's a rhetorical question.

 

[Bill Williams]

Oh, come now, Bill. It's obvious it's not the Mafia. That's Raffaele's family. The whole City of Seattle are bought and paid for PR shills.
By the way, did Vixen ever provide any proof whatsoever that an employee of del Prato's was fired for giving Guede a key? And that's a rhetorical question.

Machiavelli decided to mix it up a bit and hang this one on the Mafia. When one makes up stuff out of thin air, does it really matter?

Machiavelli also managed to arrange for the Seahawks to blow a last-second, potential Super Bowl winning touchdown - a mere two months before the final acquittal.

Machiavelli thought that was a good touch.

 

[Stacyhs]

Machiavelli decided to mix it up a bit and hang this one on the Mafia. When one makes up stuff out of thin air, does it really matter?

Machiavelli also managed to arrange for the Seahawks to blow a last-second, potential Super Bowl winning touchdown - a mere two months before the final acquittal.

Machiavelli thought that was a good touch.

I'm sure he consulted Naseer. After all, only a divine hand could have managed that.

 

[Vixen]

Well good for you! The man pulled a stool out from under me, causing me to almost fall on my butt, because he thought I'd "stolen" his bar stool when he went to the bathroom. He then tried to hit me, causing a couple other men to throw him out after I poured the drink on him. But how does this prove that Amanda 1) tossed a drink on the DJ or 2) had a "boiling rage" temper? According to her friends in Seattle, she did not have a temper.

Learn to walk away from trouble. Practice self-restraint and dignity.

Mind you, I had to admire that Italian woman in Real Housewives of NJ 'Teresa Giudice', tipping over that table after someone insulted her family.

However, it is poor form to lose your temper.

 

[Sonia]

Will anybody here be attending the Toronto International film festival?

No, I already spent a bit too much vacation time and money attending the Seattle International Film Festival. Maybe next year.

I'm a Netflix subscriber, so I'll probably check out the "Amanda Knox" documentary when it arrives on Netflix at the end of the month. I'm thinking that it's likely to be a relatively fair production because it seems that Amanda might be willing to attend the premiere in person.

 

[Stacyhs]

Learn to walk away from trouble. Practice self-restraint and dignity.

Mind you, I had to admire that Italian woman in Real Housewives of NJ 'Teresa Giudice', tipping over that table after someone insulted her family.

However, it is poor form to lose your temper.

Twenty-one year olds do tend to be rather impulsive at times. Lack of experience in handling unexpected situations. But thank you for your advice. I will give it the consideration it deserves.

I was not aware of the Teresa Giudice incident as I don't consider any of the Real Housewives TV shows to be worth watching. They're low brow entertainment comparable with watching the Kardashians.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions:
1) Exactly where did I say "...the court couldn't possibly know Taramontano's (_sp?) testimony was useless"?

2) how does this prove that Amanda 1) tossed a drink on the DJ or 2) had a "boiling rage" temper?

I've given up waiting for you to present evidence that del Prato fired anyone for giving Guede access to the school or that Curt Knox "invested $2m" in G-M.

 

[Bill Williams]

You're doing it yet again; claiming I said things I never said. You said:
" But he was not called for cross-examination, and Judge Micheli had not believed him. "

I replied "As just noted, Tramontano's statement was introduced to the court and read. Tramontano was not there in person so it's rather difficult to cross-examine him. In other news accounts, such as Ann Wise's June 27 report, there is no claim that the judge did not believe Tramontano's statement."

Exactly where did I say "...the court couldn't possibly know Taramontano's (_sp?) testimony was useless"?

Please stop claiming I said things I haven't said. It's becoming rather tedious to have to post my actual quotes to disprove them.

Things that make you go, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

When Stacyhs and me make a mistake about whether or not Nencini thought Rudy a world-class burglar, Vixen is there with a proper and solid cite from Nencini showing definitively that he was merely quoting from what the defence argued. It took her seconds to find it.

But when Vixen is asked to provide ONE forensic-DNA expert who supports Stefanoni's lab work, what we get are hilarious (but all the same ad hominem) quips in return. She then actually makes up "quotes" for things you didn't say, as well as posts pictures and links to links which actually disprove what she's claiming. Or she turns to Real Housewives of TV to make a point.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Stacyhs]

Things that make you go, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

When Stacyhs and me make a mistake about whether or not Nencini thought Rudy a world-class burglar, Vixen is there with a proper and solid cite from Nencini showing definitively that he was merely quoting from what the defence argued. It took her seconds to find it.

But when Vixen is asked to provide ONE forensic-DNA expert who supports Stefanoni's lab work, what we get are hilarious (but all the same ad hominem) quips in return. She then actually makes up "quotes" for things you didn't say, as well as posts pictures and links to links which actually disprove what she's claiming. Or she turns to Real Housewives of TV to make a point.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I've lost track of how many times she's claimed I've said things I've never said. Once or twice could be excused as an innocent mistake but more than that and it's clear it's intentional.

 

[Vixen]

Twenty-one year olds do tend to be rather impulsive at times. Lack of experience in handling unexpected situations. But thank you for your advice. I will give it the consideration it deserves.

I was not aware of the Teresa Giudice incident as I don't consider any of the Real Housewives TV shows to be worth watching. They're low brow entertainment comparable with watching the Kardashians.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions:
1) Exactly where did I say "...the court couldn't possibly know Taramontano's (_sp?) testimony was useless"?

2) how does this prove that Amanda 1) tossed a drink on the DJ or 2) had a "boiling rage" temper?

I've given up waiting for you to present evidence that del Prato fired anyone for giving Guede access to the school or that Curt Knox "invested $2m" in G-M.

Fair enough. I don't watch that trash either, I just happened to catch one or two clips via The Apprentice USA, which I really enjoyed.

You can't see the link between anger management issues and crimes of violence?

You don't know about Curt Knox' PR campaign or the Milan nursery outcomes?

I can't keep spoon-feeding you. In any case, I am not sure your averred ignorance is genuine.

 

[Mike1711]

No. The trial courts found the pair guilty as charged on the evidence presented.

It was ruled there was no contamination.

There appears to be no precedent in case law where a defendant found guilty of murder an a trial and appeal court to be acquitted without referral back to a lower court - which contravenes the Italian Penal Code in itself - so we can be sure the Marasca court is perverse, as well as acting outwith its remit, as there was no new evidence brought to light, it ruled on issues already settled and made findings that were never pleaded.

Not that this is true, but it just illustrates how woefully bad the case was that it was trashed without referral!!!

 

[bagels]

You can't see the link between anger management issues and crimes of violence?

I can't see the link between the story you made up about some drink pouring incident, and reality. Hope this helps.

 

[The Big Dog]

I just saw a picture of Foxy Knoxy's douchebag boyfriend.

I don't know if she did it but that guy just murdered my eyeballs.

 

[Stacyhs]

Fair enough. I don't watch that trash either, I just happened to catch one or two clips via The Apprentice USA, which I really enjoyed.

You can't see the link between anger management issues and crimes of violence?

You don't know about Curt Knox' PR campaign or the Milan nursery outcomes?

I can't keep spoon-feeding you. In any case, I am not sure your averred ignorance is genuine.

You can't see the link between failing to provide any evidence of your claims (re the alleged $2m "investment" in M-G and the Milan nursery outcomes) and your claims not having any credibility?

You don't need to spoon feed anyone. All you need to do is provide actual evidence to support your many questionable claims. In any case, I'm very sure your failure to do so is because you can't.

 

[Stacyhs]

Not that this is true, but it just illustrates how woefully bad the case was that it was trashed without referral!!!

"There appears to be no precedent..."

Note the use of the word "appears", and not " there is no precedent". From the Guardian: "After the decision was read, Dalla Vedova remained calm, slowly walking down the corridor toward the lift. In a hushed tone he said that such a bold decision was nearly unprecedented." I'd bet Dalla Vedova is more familiar with whether it was unprecedented or not than Vixen.

 

[Vixen]

"There appears to be no precedent..."

Note the use of the word "appears", and not " there is no precedent". From the Guardian: "After the decision was read, Dalla Vedova remained calm, slowly walking down the corridor toward the lift. In a hushed tone he said that such a bold decision was nearly unprecedented." I'd bet Dalla Vedova is more familiar with whether it was unprecedented or not than Vixen.

<fx hushed tone> As attorney to the mob, Don Vedova should know.

 

[Vixen]

I just saw a picture of Foxy Knoxy's douchebag boyfriend.

I don't know if she did it but that guy just murdered my eyeballs.

Call the fashion police!

 

[Stacyhs]

<fx hushed tone> As attorney to the mob, Don Vedova should know.

How does this help support your statement? Hint: it doesn't.

 

[LondonJohn]

How does this help support your statement? Hint: it doesn't.

Quite apart from the fact that there have never been, to the best of my knowledge, even rumours that dall Vedova is in league with the Mafia, never mind any actual evidence.

Perhaps Vixen's now-legendary research and memory skills have confused dalla Vedova with Sollecito's lead lawyer, Guilia Bongiorno, who has in the past worked for people who have had links to the Mafia (but again who is in no way considered, AFAIK, to be a "Mafia lawyer")

Given that Vixen still appears unable to understand what does and does not constitute an <fx> in a script or screenplay, I'd say it's fairly likely that she's wrong on the mafia connections too. Quelle surprise!