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JFK Conspiracy Theories IV: The One With The Whales

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Although my own father was conditioned by his conformation bias to assume that the Mafia had hit JFK, when he eventually saw the movie JFK all the "back and to the left" nonsense only reinforced his belief that Garrison was a chump - our folks came from NOLA and Garrison was a laughing stock long before he stuck his nose into the assassination.

My post on Garrison from three years back:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9652361&postcount=22
 
BStrong said:
Although my own father was conditioned by his conformation bias to assume that the Mafia had hit JFK...
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Stealing "conformation bias" to use in the abiogenesis thread to mean a propensity for molecules to adopt energetically favorable structures while retaining relevant pseudo-evolutionary options, even though it more accurately describes dog show judging.
 
marplots said:
Stealing "conformation bias" to use in the abiogenesis thread to mean a propensity for molecules to adopt energetically favorable structures while retaining relevant pseudo-evolutionary options, even though it more accurately describes dog show judging.
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It's a Sicilian genetics thing...
 
Beanbag said:
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JFK assassination couldn't be done by one person? Hell, I've been to Dealey Plaza many times -- last weekend, for example -- and scoff at the claims of "an impossible shot." It's less than 150 yards, the limo going downhill at maybe, what, 15 miles per hour in a straight line, from an elevated shooting perch. In other words, shooting DOWN at a target going DOWN. It's not much more difficult than shooting at a paper target on a backstop from a shooting bench. Easy shot. It took three tries because of nerves.

Beanbag
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Keeping a car going15 miles per hour in a straight line, for eight seconds, while under fire is probably a lot more difficult than you think it is. My guess is that it would require some special training. It's not the kind of thing that's a natural reaction. For instance, Jackie climbed out the back of the car before she was physically restrained by people walking behind the limo.

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steveupson said:
Keeping a car going15 miles per hour in a straight line, for eight seconds, while under fire is probably a lot more difficult than you think it is. My guess is that it would require some special training.
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So that's your guess, is it? Drivers of presidential limos received special training to ensure they would continue driving at a walking pace in the event they realise their car is under fire?

Thank you for that insight.
 
Beanbag said:
Best local scenario (Dallas) would be to flip a tanker of anhydrous ammonia on the Woodall-Rogers elevated roadway around noon some workday. All it needs is one person willing to ignore the hazardous material routing signs.

One THINKING person can do an incredible amount of damage with little material.

JFK assassination couldn't be done by one person? Hell, I've been to Dealey Plaza many times -- last weekend, for example -- and scoff at the claims of "an impossible shot." It's less than 150 yards, the limo going downhill at maybe, what, 15 miles per hour in a straight line, from an elevated shooting perch. In other words, shooting DOWN at a target going DOWN. It's not much more difficult than shooting at a paper target on a backstop from a shooting bench. Easy shot. It took three tries because of nerves.

Beanbag
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You have to believe in at least two bullets that went down and then went up. The bullet that pierced near the EOP area of the head and the bullet that pierced his back. I can not see how people ever accepted the "cowlick" entrance wound. It looks like a dried drop of blood or some minor scalp injury.
 
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Keeping a car going15 miles per hour in a straight line, for eight seconds, while under fire is probably a lot more difficult than you think it is. My guess is that it would require some special training. It's not the kind of thing that's a natural reaction. For instance, Jackie climbed out the back of the car before she was physically restrained by people walking behind the limo.
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The driver probably didn't realize what was happening and just kept on cruising (like he was trained).

Take any reasonably experienced shooter, put them in Dealey Plaza, show them the window and the two marks on the street supposedly showing where the car was when the bullets impacted, and they'd tell you "easy shot."

The "magic" zigzag bullet that hit Connelly and Kennedy is easily explained: the presidential limo was designed with a special lower front seat on the passenger side so the occupant wouldn't block the crowd's view of the rear seat occupants (it shows in the limo photos).

All you have to do is go and look. The photos and documentaries make Dealey Plaza look HUGE: it's actually kinda small.

Beanbag
 
From reunion tower.

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The Man said:
From reunion tower.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=789&pictureid=5491
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Thank you for this wonderful image. It REALLY shows it all.

Like I said: small.

Fifth floor window shooting DOWN. The road slopes DOWN. The black car in the photo is (roughly) next to where the "third" shot was fired.

Dealey Plaza is smaller than a football field. The only confusing part of this picture is that the trees in front of the book depository have grown taller, so they would block a shot today. Back then in 63, they wouldn't.

Beanbag
 
Beanbag said:
Thank you for this wonderful image. It REALLY shows it all.

Like I said: small.

Fifth floor window shooting DOWN. The road slopes DOWN. The black car in the photo is (roughly) next to where the "third" shot was fired.

Dealey Plaza is smaller than a football field. The only confusing part of this picture is that the trees in front of the book depository have grown taller, so they would block a shot today. Back then in 63, they wouldn't.

Beanbag
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No problem, it's in one of my albums here, from when I was there in like 2011 or so.

It's basically just a bit harder than shooting someone in the parking lot next to the building. Heck, if you look at the two lots right next to the depository that's about the size of the whole plaza area.
 
HSienzant said:
Start here, with the 26 volumes of testimony and exhibits.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/contents.htm

Totally free. You won't have to spend a friggin' penny to educate yourself. It cost me $2500 at the PRESIDENTS BOX BOOKSHOP back in the early 1980's to buy a complete set. I got tired of going to the NY CITY main library every Saturday and taking notes. And that was back when $2500 was a pretty decent sum of money.

Seriously. Start there. Don't read another thing by anyone until you educate yourself on what the witnesses (both eye and expert) actually said. Stop getting your education on this subject through a conspiracy filter.

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HSienzant, I took your advice and bought the 26 volumes. When I saw the Rydberg drawings, I saw that a small bullet hole on the back of Kennedy's skull was located near the External occipital protuberance, and realized that that hole was too low to have exited out of the top-right side of the head. They even drew him leaning over during the headshot when he obviously isn't in the Zapruder film. I then burned the volumes because they were obviously garbage.
 
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HSienzant, I took your advice and bought the 26 volumes. When I saw the Rydberg drawings, I saw that a small bullet hole on the back of Kennedy's skull was located near the External occipital protuberance, and realized that that hole was too low to have exited out of the top-right side of the head. They even drew him leaning over during the headshot when he obviously isn't in the Zapruder film. I then burned the volumes because they were obviously garbage.
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You have hand waved any evidence that directly refutes your assertions so I'm not surprised.
 
MicahJava said:
HSienzant, I took your advice and bought the 26 volumes. When I saw the Rydberg drawings, I saw that a small bullet hole on the back of Kennedy's skull was located near the External occipital protuberance, and realized that that hole was too low to have exited out of the top-right side of the head. They even drew him leaning over during the headshot when he obviously isn't in the Zapruder film. I then burned the volumes because they were obviously garbage.
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So, you thought burning books, without reading how that conclusion was reached, was the way to go?

Well done. You have just suggested that you will go to extreme lengths to avoid confronting you predetermined conclusions.
 
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