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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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Daylightstar said:
Riiiight .... how the hell would a GPS system be able to 'compensate for glaring anomalies' if 'they' had not been 'investigated'?
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So soon the idea that GPS is a perfect scientific test system of relativity, - is blown up - you should ask the GPS staff what went wrong.
Maybe they will say, - test of relativity was not our mission, - but mainly to keep the system working.
 
Bjarne said:
So soon the idea that GPS is a perfect scientific test system of relativity, - is blown up - you should ask the GPS staff what went wrong.
Maybe they will say, - test of relativity was not our mission, - but mainly to keep the system working.
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I am asking you how a GPS system would be able to 'compensate for glaring anomalies' if 'they' had not been 'investigated'?
Once again, an evasive emotional response is coming from you, not an actual answer.
 
dasmiller said:
Again, again, again, this is simply not true. GPS spacecraft predicted positions are continuously compared against their measured positions by dozens of monitor stations around the world.

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The system you write about is measuring where exactly are the satellites.
Computers are based on Measurement calculating how much to synchronize time dilation hour by hour.
That's all you need to keep the system working.

99,999999999999999999999999999999999999 of the population of the planet is indoctrinated to believe, - there are no more reason to test GPS-relativity..

So why worry, - why at all ask whether measured orbits are he same as calculated according to theories.
Why worry about it ?
What waste time on such ""stupid"" thing ?
 
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Bjarne said:
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99,999999999999999999999999999999999999 of the population of the planet is indoctrinated to believe, ...
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Sure Bjarne, it's you against the rest of the world. Or rather, in your condition, the rest of the world against you.


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So why worry, - why at all ask whether measured orbits are he same as calculate according to theories.
Why worry about it ?
What waste time on such ""stupid"" thing ?
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The "stupid" is brought in by you by the truckload. So, good question, why waste time on such stupidity .....
 
MRC_Hans said:
If GPS had anomalies, the whole world would know, because positions would be wrong.

Hans
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GPS have anomalies,
well known anomalies,
and almost the whole world know about these
caused by as I said - perturbation, space weather , gravitational anomalies of the earth.
 
Bjarne said:
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99,999999999999999999999999999999999999 of the population of the planet is indoctrinated to believe, - there are no more reason to test GPS-relativity..
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and yet:
Bjarne said:
GPS have anomalies,
well known anomalies,
and almost the whole world know about thesecaused by as I said - perturbation, space weather , gravitational anomalies of the earth.
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Hilite by Daylightstar
 
MRC_Hans said:
Bjarne, seriously, you should choose your friends with more care. If you had taken the trouble to Google Edward Dowdye, you would have discovered that he is subscribing to Electric Universe, and Science The Bible, and that he is not an astrophysicist.
Hans
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I don't care, even if he had fall down from the moon


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He did further studies in Astronomy and Astrophysics at Heidelberg.
http://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/wiki/edward-henry-dowdye/

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Bjarne said:
Because you don't understand that a worldview must be coherent.
97% of the universe, you dont know what really is

WHY ?
Because something went wrong, and that something is now hard concrete inside the heads of billion of people..


Because just by changing that little thing, - that even took you long time to realize, - will mean a total new understand of relativity,. - The consequences are that you will now have 100 % understanding of what the universe is about (if you want) - NOT only 3%


You will see who is the dum tic tac tic tac....
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"10 points for arguing that while a current well-established theory predicts phenomena correctly, it doesn't explain "why" they occur, or fails to provide a "mechanism"."---John Baez
Bjarne's ideas lack the coherence to be considered pseudoscience; I think his argument is at its core anti-science. No matter how much more understanding is gained he will always ask "but why?"and declare "we don't know yet" means science has failed.
 
Bjarne said:
This would mean if your theory is accurate, GPS systems are ALREADY dedicating computational power to compensate for glaring anomalies that are not investigated in specific details
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So now you're arguing that people are spending a substantial portion of their careers compensating for a flaw that they can't be bothered to research?

That's just loops us back to your thesis that people are acting against their own self-interest on a colossal, industry-wide scale.

For your thesis to be accurate a number of the world's best engineers, astrophysicists, and rocket scientists would need to be colossally lazy, stupid and incapable of remedial observation. The kind of people capable of getting a rocket into orbit to deploy a satellite which then remains in orbit and functions as part of the GPS system are not going to leave anomalies like the ones you claim unexplored. Your excuse is stupid, desperate and pathetic.
 
Bjarne said:
According to the BW so called dark energy and dark flow make up 97% of the universe,
You don't know what that 97% of the universe is about right ?
In addition there is a hell lot of others huge mysteries , so lets say 99% of the universe you have no clues.

This is what I mean by a incoherent intolerant too narrow and still arrogant worldview.
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The fact that a theory does not explain everything does that mean the entire theory is garbage. For example, there's an awful lot about the universe that Newton's equations simply don't explain. Your logic is equivalent to discarding Newton because he could not explain the orbit of Mercury.
 
Bjarne said:
So soon the idea that GPS is a perfect scientific test system of relativity, - is blown up - you should ask the GPS staff what went wrong.
Maybe they will say, - test of relativity was not our mission, - but mainly to keep the system working.
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You're putting words in the mouths of others. That's dishonest at best, outright ling at worst. Nobody has stated that the GPS system is a perfect system for testing General Relativity, just that it relies upon General Relativity to function. It is, however, a perfect system for debunking your claims. The fact that it works proves your "theories" wrong as the effects you claim would impact the GPS systems. The only argument you've been able to come up with to counter the fatal blow the GPS system does to your trash theories is to invent a conspiracy of silence and research avoidance out of whole cloth.

tl;dr The only way you can keep your stillborn "theory" from rotting is to wrap it in a tinfoil hat and chill it with lies.
 
Bjarne said:
I don't care, even if he had fall down from the moon


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He did further studies in Astronomy and Astrophysics at Heidelberg.
http://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/wiki/edward-henry-dowdye/

[qimg]https://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/nolensinggaussianspheres.jpg[/qimg]
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Uh, dude, you might want to try and read his actual paper before you use it to defend your fan-fiction:
http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/abstract/?abstractid=435&subpage=pdf

Even the image you link to shows gravitational lensing occurs. It also explicitly discusses gravitational lensing of electrons not photons. Edward Henry Dowdye is not arguing against the phenomenon or against General Relativity, but proposing a limitation on the observable effect. Edward Henry Dowdye's work certainly doesn't support you.

Daylightstar said:
Where is the description of star image dispersion?
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The paper does not mean what Bjarne thinks it means. He's taking a fragment of a paper title and crowing it supports him without having bothered to even skim the paper. I can't tell if this is the laziness Bjarne keeps bragging about or the dishonestly he's displayed in the thread.
 
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Bjarne said:
This would mean if your theory is accurate, GPS systems are ALREADY dedicating computational power to compensate for glaring anomalies that are not investigated in specific details
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Wait, so the computers found your "glaring anomalies" and then just decided to compensate for that themselves. Did we miss the singularity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

You are trying to make excuses you don't understand for systems you don't understand.

Again, what about muons from cosmic rays, what corrects your "glaring anomalies" there? With some effort and actual dedication you might be able to compare detection rates from various latitudes. Unlikely you'll find anything though as such "glaring anomalies" would have been glaringly obvious already.
 
Bjarne said:
According to the BW so called dark energy and dark flow make up 97% of the universe,
You don't know what that 97% of the universe is about right ?
In addition there is a hell lot of others huge mysteries , so lets say 99% of the universe you have no clues.

This is what I mean by a incoherent intolerant too narrow and still arrogant worldview.
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Saying you don't know for something you, well, don't know is neither "incoherent" nor "intolerant". It is pretending to know what you don't that is incoherent and simply not accepting there are things you won't know that is intolerant. Also incoherent and intolerant is the expectation that the universe should somehow be intuitive to you.
 
Bjarne said:
I think that the staff in Chernobyl would have told you same kind of stories before the power plant was blown up.
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Again you are making excuses for system you don't understand. What happened at Chernobyl was a failure of procedure in conducting a research operation.
 
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