The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

[Perpetual Student]

This is only words, you could also have wrote; - bob bob bob bob, this also tells nothing about the nature of how space and matter is connected.

You are asking the wrong question.
No, it's more than "only words." The equations of GR model how space and matter are connected.
What do you mean by the "nature of how...?" Is this like asking how does the electron have electric charge? If so, the answer is that, it simply does -- that is the nature of an electron; experiments verify it, just like all observations and experiments verify GR.
Physics cannot answer how and why the universe behaves as it does. It can only model the behavior of the universe.

 

[The Man]

I did, radius is shorther by perihelion (as expected), this mean stronger gravity and therefore faster orbit speed when approaching perihelion.

Actually it was Kepler that came up with that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_orbit



Leading to his second law of planetary motion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion

A line segment joining a planet and the Sun sweeps out equal areas during equal intervals of time.

So almost up to 1609 in the field of planetary motion.

 

[MRC_Hans]

4.
Measured orbit data are much easier to use, - these are fare from always compared to calculated data, and even if these always was, anomalies are not scientifically investigated all the time.

You are making things up.

The GPS team know there often are serveral anomalies, but the cause of these are never perfectly scientifically addressed, which mean whether these are caused by space weather, gravitational anomalies of the Earth, - pertubations etc..

You have no idea of this, you are making things up.
If GPS had anomalies, the whole world would know, because positions would be wrong.

A computer can fast , easy and automatically calculate the daily deviation and many times each day even automatically counteract the time dilation, even without asking anybody.

The computer in your GPS cannot do that. If the signal is wrong, you get the wrong position.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

What will you call it when you soon will see that it was all wrong.

Well, I guess I'll call it what I called it when all your other predictions turned out to be wrong: Nonsense.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

This is not the point; the point is that a professional in that area hasn’t found any evidence for gravitational lensing.
I guess that Edward Dowdye would say that you will not find the same disturbances in that photo, if viewed at others frequencies, such as infrared, UV etc....

I hope not, because that would make him loose whatever scrap of credibility he has left. Of course he can't sat that because he does not know.

Either you want to discuss what he may or may not be wrong, or you do not.
So either you will hear what the man have to say or you will not, - so if you want, - before that you have to be prepared for such discussion by listen to what he have to say..

Bjarne, seriously, you should choose your friends with more care. If you had taken the trouble to Google Edward Dowdye, you would have discovered that he is subscribing to Electric Universe, and Science The Bible, and that he is not an astrophysicist.

After all the BW-BS that is out there, I take nothing for granted anymore.

Yet you expect us to take YOUR BS seriously?

I have no reason to believe that former NASA astrophysicist Edward Dowdye not is telling the truth and only the truth,
If you believe Edward Dowdye have misunderstood something, why not tell us all what that may be ?

I will not slander a man I don't know, but his claims are contrary to existing evidence.

Instead you are attacking and asking me, even after you know or should know that I still not have made any final decision..

Oh? Then I suggest you remain silent till you have.

Hans

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Edward Dowdye has evidence FOR gravitational lensingbut lies about it

This is not the point; the point is that a professional in that area hasn’t found any evidence for gravitational lensing.

The point is that statement is still a lie and you are still citing an obvious liar, Bjarne.

• 3 August 2016 Bjarne: Cannot understand that a video from a deluded person is not valid science published in the scientific literature!
• 4 August 2016 Bjarne: The biography of Dr. Edward Henry Dowdye, Jr. at his web site sceinceinthebible as given to you on 1 August 2016!
• 4 August 2016 Bjarne: An overt lie of no bending for 2R and 3R in Edward Dowdye's YouTube video.
• 4 August 2016 Bjarne: An implied lie of "1.75 arcsec" at R in Edward Dowdye's YouTube video.
• 4 August 2016 Bjarne: In 2012, Dowdye was ignorant of measurements of the deflection of the Sun published in 1973 and even the 1919 expedition results!
• 6 September 2016 Bjarne: Repeats the link to a deluded, ignorant creationist who has a rival delusion to the RR/dark flow delusion!
• 6 September 2016 Bjarne: The inability to recognize an deluded, relativity denying, creationist: Dr. Edward Dowdye Jr. Dowdye has a rival delusional theory that would say that Bjarne's RR/dark low delusion is wrong !
• 6 September 2016 Bjarne: Edward Dowdye was never a astrophysicist at NASA - he was an electrical engineer according to him !

You also add another bit of ignorance.
8 September 2016 Bjarne: Edward Dowdye has "found" evidence for gravitational lensing because he uses (but lies about) the existing, published evidence for gravitational lensing !

 

[Reality Check]

but if a NASA astrophysics, that clearly seems to know what he talk about,....

But no "NASA astrophysics" disputes the existence of gravitational lensing, Bjarne ! An obviously ignorant Edward Dowdye (a creationist!) who has no idea what he is talking about (was an electrical engineer not astrophysicist) has written lies that you believe.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Abysmally ignorant "illogical nonsense" and "Group pressure" paranoiac ideas

What will you call it when you soon will see that it was all wrong.....

8 September 2016 Bjarne: Abysmally ignorant "illogical nonsense" and "Group pressure" paranoiac ideas.
SR and GR are scientific theories based on impeccable logic (read Einstein's 1905 paper or a physics textbook!) backed up by enormous empirical evidence.
Someone persisting in many years of ignorance and delusions about SR, GR and science in general does not make any science nonsense.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: Wastes our time by asking a dumb question

How can Energy Density matter curve space ? ...

8 September 2016 Bjarne: Wastes our time by asking a dumb question!
You have been posting about SR and GR for almost 7 years now. You have never learned about SR or GR. There is obviously no point in trying to educate someone who has persisted with ignorance for almost 7 years .

The RR fantasy appearing on 15 October 2009 here, continued ignorance of high school level science and digging a pit of fantasies from Bjarne (148 items of ignorance, fantasy, delusion and lies in this thread alone!).

1. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: Two delusional assertions about observer C - infinitely far away = no measurements possible!; "at rest" = no relativistic effects!
2. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: Delusion that an experiment he has no knowledge
3. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: Repeated ignorance of basic science - a theory which has been shown to work by many experiments will not be disproved by more accurate versions of those experiments!
4. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: Repeated ignorance of the real world where GPS satellites also have that "certain part" of their orbit and work!
5. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: An implied lie about having numeric predictions for the ISS experiment when he has no idea what it is!
6. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie that his PDF contains numeric predictions for the ISS when the actual orbit of the ISS is not included.
7. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie that dark flow is north to south as in his Fig. 11.
8. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: The delusion that a possible dark flow at least billions of light years away from us can have effects here that be detected
9. 5 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie about "no gravitational lensing" when gravitational lensing has been observed exactly as predicted by GR: bending of light by the Sun, Einstein rings, etc.
10. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: The ignorant citation of a news article as if it were scientific literature.
11. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: The inability to recognize an deluded, relativity denying, creationist: Dr. Edward Dowdye Jr. Dowdye has a rival delusional theory that would say that Bjarne's RR/dark low delusion is wrong!
12. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: Replies to the physics of the real world with BW gibberish.
13. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: A "Lie" lie that denies the real world.
14. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: Repeats the link to a deluded, ignorant creationist who has a rival delusion to the RR/dark flow delusion!
15. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: The delusion that gravitational lensing is "nothing but optical disturbances"
16. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: Gravitational lensing is seen in optical, infrared, radio and x-ray frequencies.
17. 6 September 2016 Bjarne: The abysmal delusion that scientific literature is "BS / BW links"!
18. 8 September 2016 Bjarne: Edward Dowdye has "found" evidence for gravitational lensing because he uses (but lies about) the existing, published evidence for gravitational lensing !
19. 8 September 2016 Bjarne: Abysmally ignorant "illogical nonsense" and "Group pressure" paranoiac ideas.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne: An abysmally ignorant delusion about the Mercury perihelion precession

I did, radius is shorther by perihelion (as expected), ....

This ignorance has been repeated enough to become an abysmally ignorant delusion!
8 September 2016 Bjarne: His abysmally ignorant delusion that the Mercury perihelion precession anomaly was the perihelion being shorter than expected .
This is the Mercury perihelion precession anomaly which Newtonian gravitation cannot match, GR can match and abysmal ignorance can never match. This is not a change in the value of the perihelion. This is a change in the orientation (precession) of the orbit. It causes the position of the perihelion to rotate around the Sun.

 

[fuelair]

Of what?

Sorry - post repopped up (ie, showed up twice.......)

 

[Daylightstar]

Sorry - post repopped up (ie, showed up twice.......)

Must have been a quantum occurrence

 

[Bjarne]

You didn't create a fourth option, you just rephrased #2.

. This would mean if your theory is accurate, GPS systems are ALREADY dedicating computational power to compensate for a glaring flaw in General Relativity. .

This would mean if your theory is accurate, GPS systems are ALREADY dedicating computational power to compensate for glaring anomalies that are not investigated in specific details

 

[Bjarne]

Isn't it exciting? So many mysteries left in the universe to explore!

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According to the BW so called dark energy and dark flow make up 97% of the universe,
You don't know what that 97% of the universe is about right ?
In addition there is a hell lot of others huge mysteries , so lets say 99% of the universe you have no clues.

This is what I mean by a incoherent intolerant too narrow and still arrogant worldview.

 

[fuelair]

Stretching space will have a magnifying glass property, but gravity will not in our time be extreme strong, so the ekstreme part of gravitational lensing is really anyway rubbish/

No ( as in you are wrong. Again).........

 

[Bjarne]

Again, again, again, this is simply not true. GPS spacecraft predicted positions are continuously compared against their measured positions by dozens of monitor stations around the world.
?

I think that the staff in Chernobyl would have told you same kind of stories before the power plant was blown up.

 

[Daylightstar]

This would mean if your theory is accurate, GPS systems are ALREADY dedicating computational power to compensate for glaring anomalies that are not investigated in specific details

Riiiight .... how the hell would a GPS system be able to 'compensate for glaring anomalies' if 'they' had not been 'investigated'?

 

[Daylightstar]

According to the BW so called dark energy and dark flow make up 97% of the universe,
You don't know what that 97% of the universe is about right ?
In addition there is a hell lot of others huge mysteries , so lets say 99% of the universe you have no clues.

This is what I mean by a incoherent intolerant too narrow and still arrogant worldview.

Sure, only the ignorant nutjobs have the answer .....

 

[Bjarne]

You are asking the wrong question.
No, it's more than "only words." The equations of GR model how space and matter are connected.
What do you mean by the "nature of how...?" Is this like asking how does the electron have electric charge? If so, the answer is that, it simply does -- that is the nature of an electron; experiments verify it, just like all observations and experiments verify GR.
Physics cannot answer how and why the universe behaves as it does. It can only model the behavior of the universe.

And this is why something easy can go wrong..

 

[Daylightstar]

I think that the staff in Chernobyl would have told you same kind of stories before the power plant was blown up.

We get nothing but stories from you, your emotional diatribes have no scientific value whatsoever, rather they are an embarrassment to humankind.