Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part IV

[CapelDodger]

Is this you admitting the economy sucks?

Admitting? Of course the economy sucks, we've had thirty-five years of Thatcher-Reagonomics. What do you expect?

Can you tell the leftists a few post up?

Thirty-five years ago leftists were saying this is where we'd end up, and lo, it became so.

Which Obama policies have given us this anemic growth? Do tell.

Obama's policy was to stimulate the economy by public investment when capital was cheap. That policy was sorely constrained by the standard Republican policy of following profligate Republican administrations with demands that Democratic administrations deflate the economy - for which they are supposed to be blamed by the electorate.

See Reagan. See Bush - the Elder, who tried to reign in the profligacy. See Bush Jr, profligate extraordinaire.

Then why are so many exchanges failing?

Because they were set up by businessmen. They're not infallible.

It's been said that only 10% of the uninsured have been insured.

It's been said that the world is flat. I don't beleive either.

I do believe you've not mentioned the previously insured who are insured better and cheaper now. And bear in mind that Obamacare is no longer the reference you turn to. Time was that associating the healthcare act with Obama was regarded as a way to denigrate it (what with him being a Kenyan socialist Muslim and all; I've heard all of that repeatedly) but now it's not something to remind people of. It reflects too well on Obama.

Enforcing UN sanctions was the right thing to do. Leaving Iraq open to ISIS wasn't.

UN sanctions were going to stop ISIS. And they were taken away by Obama. OK. Roger that.

You really are going to vote for Trump, aren't you? Not that I ever doubted it, but if I was ever going to that phase has passed.

The policies you support are being implemented as we speak. It's laughable when libs talk about grasp of anything.

You've been listening to too much Trump. I'm drunk and way more coherent, but that skill was beaten into me at school.

 

[CapelDodger]

Has he accumulated billions? We don't know, we only have his word for it.
Any money he has accumulated came from his daddy or all the investors in his failed bankrupt businesses or from the contractors he stiffed on their payments.

We know, through good old probate, that the land he inherited from his father, un-developed, is now worth more than the ten billion he claims to be worth. Over the last thirty-five years property values in places like New York have, of course, rocketed, just as one would expect given the Thatcher-Reagan pivot towards the rentier class.

Cleverness is shown in making money on a falling market. Trump just goes bankrupt in the face of adversity and claims victory years later.

 

[CapelDodger]

I just saw someone on another forum make an interesting observation about the Trump volunteer NDA. The article notes that Trump is protected, all his family members are protected, and his companies are protected... but not Mike Pence. As a Trump/Pence campaigner you can't say anything negative about Trump for the rest of your life, but you can say whatever you want about Pence. Trump doesn't care.

About who?

Oh, the Gimp. You should have said so.

 

[logger]

Has he accumulated billions? We don't know, we only have his word for it.
Any money he has accumulated came from his daddy or all the investors in his failed bankrupt businesses or from the contractors he stiffed on their payments.

Yeah that's it!

 

[logger]

Admitting? Of course the economy sucks, we've had thirty-five years of Thatcher-Reagonomics. What do you expect?

Lol
When does Obama get to take blame?
I suppose we need more leftist socialist policies so everyone can be equally miserable.

Thirty-five years ago leftists were saying this is where we'd end up, and lo, it became so.

Where?
What exactly were they saying?

Obama's policy was to stimulate the economy by public investment when capital was cheap. That policy was sorely constrained by the standard Republican policy of following profligate Republican administrations with demands that Democratic administrations deflate the economy - for which they are supposed to be blamed by the electorate.

Lol
You're all in aren't you? Of course it wouldn't have worked. In case you didn't know we're in a world wide slow down.

It's been said that the world is flat. I don't beleive either.

Lol
I never considered this a belief.

I do believe you've not mentioned the previously insured who are insured better and cheaper now. And bear in mind that Obamacare is no longer the reference you turn to. Time was that associating the healthcare act with Obama was regarded as a way to denigrate it (what with him being a Kenyan socialist Muslim and all; I've heard all of that repeatedly) but now it's not something to remind people of. It reflects too well on Obama.

Interesting, mine and everyone else around me had their insurance go up, do you have a single clue why?

UN sanctions were going to stop ISIS. And they were taken away by Obama. OK. Roger that.

I thought you might not understand that. Obama left a hole ISIS filled it. Simple huh?

You really are going to vote for Trump, aren't you? Not that I ever doubted it, but if I was ever going to that phase has passed.

You really would vote for a lying deceitful corrupt person like Hillary who has enriched herself off of government? But you're not a citizen are you?

You've been listening to too much Trump. I'm drunk and way more coherent, but that skill was beaten into me at school.

Okay now I understand.
Things make much more sense.

 

[CapelDodger]

Lol
When does Obama get to take blame?
I suppose we need more leftist socialist policies so everyone can be equally miserable.

Whithering stuff. You should get into politics.

Where?
What exactly were they saying?

They were saying, all over, that the rich were about to get relatively richer while everybody else got relatively poorer. This was the pivot towards the rentier class and away from the middle and working classes, towards the Chicago School and away from Keynes, towards the consolidation of established wealth and privilege and away from social mobility for the aspiring.

You're surely not going to deny the accuracy of our prediction, and it was indeed a no-brainer.

Lol
You're all in aren't you? Of course it wouldn't have worked. In case you didn't know we're in a world wide slow down.

Which you blame Obama for in the US because you find it expedient so to do.

Lol
I never considered this a belief.

I'd never have believed that consideration is your thing so we're agreed on something, at least.

Interesting, mine and everyone else around me had their insurance go up, do you have a single clue why?

Do tell. Do also tell if it's ever gone up before, and any clues you have as to why.

I thought you might not understand that. Obama left a hole ISIS filled it. Simple huh?

ISIS began in Syria. How did Obama leave a hole in Syria?

You really would vote for a lying deceitful corrupt person like Hillary who has enriched herself off of government? But you're not a citizen are you?

I think that you're hysterical.

Okay now I understand.
Things make much more sense.

You don't.

Do you really see the Apocalypse looming at every election, should the party of anti-Christ win? Despite it winning repeatedly? I suppose it beats Game of Thrones in that the thrill never ends; even if the White Waters are utterly eliminated something else will emerge to threaten the world.

 

[CapelDodger]

Yeah that's it!

If you've nothing to say don't just say anything. Friendly advice.

You might want to tweet it to Trump before the debates. I've tried, and I just can't get through to him.

 

[acbytesla]

Do you even comprehend what ruling in "ruling elite" means? He has no power at all.

That's totally clueless nonsense.

You don't get to accumulate billions by being a pussy, your logic is, well, lacking in substance. You need to actually think about these things before you post.

You HAVE NO IDEA how much money Trump has. NONE.
*You should take note for example that on The Apprentice Trump says he is the biggest real estate developer in New York. But by any objective measure, square footage or value he doesn't make the top ten. He pretty much doesn't build a damn thing any more because he's cheated so many people that no one trusts him enough to work with him anymore.

As for how much money he is worth. Consider the following from the author of "Trump Nation Timothy O'Brien wrote "Evaluating Donald’s riches was like trying to bottle smoke. At one point, when Forbes magazine posited that the Trump coffers were brimming with $2.6 billion, he told me the actual figure was $4 billion to $5 billion. Later the same day, he called and amended his own assessment—to $1.7 billion.

In 2011, Forbes said Trump's net worth was $2.7 billion. He said it was much more than that and if he ran for President he would provide a Financial Statement. He lied. He said he would release his taxes. He lied again. Here what these other billionaires have to say about Trump

Steve Wynn: Las Vegas Casino tycoon "a “lightweight, second-string adolescent,” a “half-baked mentality,” a “cartoon” and a “perverse exaggeration.”
Mark Cuban Dallas Mavericks Billionaire owner and former supporter of Trump mockingly said "Trump failed to do the work and now I've come to realize is bat **** crazy" Also after Trump learned that Cuban was no longer supporting Trump, he accused Cuban of wanting to be Trump, Cuban replied “Yeah, I want to be part of thousands of lawsuits and have companies I operate go bankrupt multiple times.” He added, “someday I hope to go broke so I can live off an allowance from my bankers."
Warren Buffet on Trump's success as a business man " In 1995, Trump formed a public company, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, to house his casino interests. Buffett: “That was the only time Donald Trump went to the American people and said, ‘I’m a winner, invest in my company. … Over the next 10 years, the company loses money every year, every single year. He takes $44 million in compensation. If a monkey had thrown a dart at the stock page it would have made 150%. People who believe in [Trump] came away losing well over 90 cents on the dollar. They got back less than a dime.”

Generalizations that are fact.

Don't you mean generalizations that are meaningless? That lack context or detail?

You implied if not actually accused me of not voting for him because of his color.
I think you make too many personal attacks, because you can't win arguments with fact.

No, in fact, I did not. I merely asked a question and you were offended by the question. Really? I make too many personal attacks? Such as? Whereas, I'm not inordinately gentle, I in fact, make few personal attacks. I'll say you don't know what you're talking about and you're ignorant on occasion. But that is not a personal attack as we all are ignorant about a great many things. If I have that wrong then challenge me. Offer citations and reference material. Offer analysis of the material. I appreciate people who bring it. Maybe, I have something to learn. But I will tell you what I don't appreciate. And that is when people use terms like "ruling elite". It's a conspiracy theory label that doesn't mean much.

You keep saying things like I don't understand politics. But that in itself means little or nothing as it is just your opinion and really is a desperate way to avoid any real challenge to your positions.

 

[logger]

That's totally clueless nonsense.

No, it's called language. Here is one of those areas where you have to think. Not every rich person or person who gives to a campaign is part of the ruling elite. You really don't get this do you?

You HAVE NO IDEA how much money Trump has. NONE.
*You should take note for example that on The Apprentice Trump says he is the biggest real estate developer in New York. But by any objective measure, square footage or value he doesn't make the top ten. He pretty much doesn't build a damn thing any more because he's cheated so many people that no one trusts him enough to work with him anymore.

Lol
More BS, now you're just making things up. If he's cheated so many, you'd think I'd be news?

As for how much money he is worth. Consider the following from the author of "Trump Nation Timothy O'Brien wrote "Evaluating Donald’s riches was like trying to bottle smoke. At one point, when Forbes magazine posited that the Trump coffers were brimming with $2.6 billion, he told me the actual figure was $4 billion to $5 billion. Later the same day, he called and amended his own assessment—to $1.7 billion.

I've never argued the amount, it's a lot no matter what.

In 2011, Forbes said Trump's net worth was $2.7 billion. He said it was much more than that and if he ran for President he would provide a Financial Statement. He lied. He said he would release his taxes. He lied again. Here what these other billionaires have to say about Trump

Or he just changed his mind because dems would once on anything.

Steve Wynn: Las Vegas Casino tycoon "a “lightweight, second-string adolescent,” a “half-baked mentality,” a “cartoon” and a “perverse exaggeration.”
Mark Cuban Dallas Mavericks Billionaire owner and former supporter of Trump mockingly said "Trump failed to do the work and now I've come to realize is bat **** crazy" Also after Trump learned that Cuban was no longer supporting Trump, he accused Cuban of wanting to be Trump, Cuban replied “Yeah, I want to be part of thousands of lawsuits and have companies I operate go bankrupt multiple times.” He added, “someday I hope to go broke so I can live off an allowance from my bankers."
Warren Buffet on Trump's success as a business man " In 1995, Trump formed a public company, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, to house his casino interests. Buffett: “That was the only time Donald Trump went to the American people and said, ‘I’m a winner, invest in my company. … Over the next 10 years, the company loses money every year, every single year. He takes $44 million in compensation. If a monkey had thrown a dart at the stock page it would have made 150%. People who believe in [Trump] came away losing well over 90 cents on the dollar. They got back less than a dime.”

Lol
What do your competitors say about you.

Don't you mean generalizations that are meaningless? That lack context or detail?

Lol
You asked how I made the decision Obama was a failed president. I gave you the some reasons, not sure why you don't get it. Well actually I do know.

No, in fact, I did not. I merely asked a question and you were offended by the question. Really? I make too many personal attacks? Such as? Whereas, I'm not inordinately gentle, I in fact, make few personal attacks. I'll say you don't know what you're talking about and you're ignorant on occasion. But that is not a personal attack as we all are ignorant about a great many things. If I have that wrong then challenge me. Offer citations and reference material. Offer analysis of the material. I appreciate people who bring it. Maybe, I have something to learn. But I will tell you what I don't appreciate. And that is when people use terms like "ruling elite". It's a conspiracy theory label that doesn't mean much.

You don't even understand the definition. It is undeniable that we've had the same group of people in both parties for a long time. This is what happens when new people don't win elections.

You keep saying things like I don't understand politics. But that in itself means little or nothing as it is just your opinion and really is a desperate way to avoid any real challenge to your positions.

Yes, you don't understand politics because you're woefully uninformed. Most liberals are.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I thought you might not understand that. Obama left a hole ISIS filled it. Simple huh?

Bush signed the treaties that set the timetable and date for withdrawal of US forces.

 

[logger]

If you've nothing to say don't just say anything. Friendly advice.

You might want to tweet it to Trump before the debates. I've tried, and I just can't get through to him.

The post says plenty, you just don't get it.

 

[cullennz]

Simple question that's been asked a lot.

Why doesn't he release his tax.

I have an inkling he ain't even a billionaire

Also. How about a proper medical certificate which says he is clear of drugs which explain his erratic OTT behaviour

 

[Andy_Ross]

I thought you might not understand that. Obama left a hole ISIS filled it. Simple huh?

Bush signed the treaties that set the timetable and date for withdrawal of US forces.

 

[Dog Town]

Simple question that's been asked a lot.

Why doesn't he release his tax.

I have an inkling he ain't even a billionaire

Tax returns do not show a persons wealth.

 

[acbytesla]

Bush signed the treaties that set the timetable and date for withdrawal of US forces.

They never quite grasp that concept do they? Keeping our word is an important thing.

I remember very well when Jimmy Carter was President and even though we had agreed years before to give Panama back to Panama, when time came to do it, all of a sudden Carter's Republican opponents were against it. And many blame Carter to this day for fulfilling our treaty obligations.

 

[cullennz]

Tax returns do not show a persons wealth.

They show his returns and profit.

He should be shoving it in people's faces

 

[logger]

They were saying, all over, that the rich were about to get relatively richer while everybody else got relatively poorer. This was the pivot towards the rentier class and away from the middle and working classes, towards the Chicago School and away from Keynes, towards the consolidation of established wealth and privilege and away from social mobility for the aspiring.

Yes, withering stuff, you don't even realize the rich always get richer. Stealing their money through taxes only hurts the lower classes. Taxes have been raised quite a bit since Reagan first lowered them. When government gets so large it's mostly the wealthy that benefit with the middle class taking the hit. Republicans have helped the dems do this, starting with Reagan himself.

You're surely not going to deny the accuracy of our prediction, and it was indeed a no-brainer.

Yes it is a no brainier that the rich will get richer.

Which you blame Obama for in the US because you find it expedient so to do.

Partly but the blame starts mostly with bush. He got the bigger government going, of course Obama just ran it off the cliff as most tax and spend libs do.

I'd never have believed that consideration is your thing so we're agreed on something, at least.

Same to ya.

Do tell. Do also tell if it's ever gone up before, and any clues you have as to why.

Because they forced us into plans we didn't need, more coverage means more expensive. They forced us to pay for others, causing premiums to go up. Simple stuff here.

ISIS began in Syria. How did Obama leave a hole in Syria?

He didn't, he left Iraq leaving a hole in Iraq. How do you not get that?

I think that you're hysterical.

I think you like to make personal attacks, not surprising from the left.

Do you really see the Apocalypse looming at every election

You're being dramatic. I think my side has the correct policies for my and everyone else's life to thrive. Why is it so hard for leftists to get that?

 

[logger]

Bush signed the treaties that set the timetable and date for withdrawal of US forces.

He was wrong.

 

[logger]

Simple question that's been asked a lot.

Why doesn't he release his tax.

I have an inkling he ain't even a billionaire

Also. How about a proper medical certificate which says he is clear of drugs which explain his erratic OTT behaviour

I'll tell you exactly why. With taxes every person walks right up to the edge. In business In many places he may have crossed that line or it might appear that he has. The IRS code is left up to interpretation in many areas, it takes a professional to help people through it so that you can save as much as possible without crossing that line.

His portfolio is quite large and the dems would take every opportunity to try and destroy him over every little instance of balancing that line. He should never release them!!

 

[cullennz]

I'll tell you exactly why. With taxes every person walks right up to the edge. In business In many places he may have crossed that line or it might appear that he has. The IRS code is left up to interpretation in many areas, it takes a professional to help people through it so that you can save as much as possible without crossing that line.

His portfolio is quite large and the dems would take every opportunity to try and destroy him over every little instance of balancing that line. He should never release them!!

What about his "med's". To show he isn't a druggie?