With due respect, so the **** what?
Let me repeat the point, without the metaphor this time.
What I quoted suggests that denaturalization is possible.
What TubbaBlubba said (and sounds plausible to me) is that denaturalization is probably very rarely used and only in the most egregious cases.
There is no contradiction between what Tubba said and what I said. He's describing how he supposes immigration policy is implemented, and it is consistent with what I quoted about what immigration policy allows. Neither of us said anything about how this fits in with Trump's rhetoric.
ddt seemed to imply that what Tubba said contradicted the source I quoted. It did not.
No it didn't. I misread Tubba's comment. My apologies.
I'm not sure about Tubba's "egregious". I can't judge about American standards in this respect.
But I remember from the discussion, ten years ago, about Ayaan's Dutch citizenship that it can be pretty harsh here, especially when it comes to "lying" about your identity, i.e., your name and DOB. That "lying" includes that an official translator ********** up the conversion of your DOB from the Iranian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Or, as in
this Dutch newspaper article from 2006, two Congolese sisters who had been naturalized in 1999, but the IND (the Dutch INS) had already denaturalized them in 2003, and they only found out in 2005 when they requested an ID card. What was the case? They had been naturalized together with their "father", but he was not their father. And the sisters had not been interviewed by the IND as they were still minors at the time.
In fact, in all cases of "identity fraud" in naturalizations before 2003, the Minister or the IND can decide to denaturalize without court decision: such naturalizations are in fact deemed not to have happened at all, because the person is not the one who is listed on the naturalization document. And that can happen many years later: here is a
Dutch court decision from 2012, where the court sides with the IND. The plaintiff is a born Iranian, who had fled the Iran-Iraq war in 1988, was accepted as refugee in 1989 in the Netherlands, and was naturalized in 1995, and who confessed in 2009 tot having given the wrong name and DOB. Subsequently, the IND had revoked his citizenship in 2010.
