Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part IV

[Skeptic Ginger]

Oh, I agree,the GOP has been trying it.But I also believe it has not been nearly as successful like some would claim.

It might be successful, however, in a close race. Fortunately I don't think this is going to be close like the races in 2000 and 2004. I'm not convinced, however, it didn't make a difference in those two elections.

 

[Stacko]

Donald will probably lie about it and claim the Mexican president agreed to pay for the wall.

He's bringing Giuliani and Sessions with him. Mexican politicians must be jamming the lines to every journalist in the country trying to be the first to be on record that America isn't sending their best.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

He's bringing Giuliani and Sessions with him. Mexican politicians must be jamming the lines to every journalist in the country trying to be the first to be on record that America isn't sending their best.

I wouldn't say that: their comic act is right there with Mexico's best slapstick :

https://youtu.be/MBKu9OJ8Ltk

 

[Bob001]

I disagree. At best or worst, you can find maybe 1 or whatever examples of voter fraud every 4 years, where somebody may have voted twice. However, every 4 years it is easy to find thousands of people not allowed to vote. For example, college students.

In Tennessee, a new law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls explicitly excludes student IDs.

In Wisconsin, college students are newly disallowed from using university-provided housing lists or corroboration from other students to verify their residence.
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Wait. I'm all for protecting and enhancing the right to vote. But we register to vote from our legal residences, which is usually where we pay our income taxes. Somebody who owns a vacation cabin or beach cottage doesn't get to vote there. College students should be voting from their homes, by absentee ballot if necessary, and college dorms aren't anybody's primary legal residence. Dorms aren't usually even where the college mails their grades and bills. If a student actually establishes residence, he'll be able to prove it with an apartment lease, utility bills, a local driver's license, etc. I don't understand why this is an issue at all, and it certainly isn't part of the sleazy voter ID practices that are a real problem.

 

[Foolmewunz]

He's bringing Giuliani and Sessions with him. Mexican politicians must be jamming the lines to every journalist in the country trying to be the first to be on record that America isn't sending their best.

Yeah, couple of gophers.... What we want to see is Bannon and Coulter applying their, er,.... "diplomatic" skills. Just someone keep replaying the interview tape where Coulter takes proud credit for the "sending us all their rapists and murderers" line. She said that last week sometime.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I wouldn't say that: their comic act is right there with Mexico's best slapstick :

https://youtu.be/MBKu9OJ8Ltk

Are those actors? Dang, Trump looks real.

 

[Tony Stark]

Are those actors? Dang, Trump looks real.

It is real.

 

[acbytesla]

Wait. I'm all for protecting and enhancing the right to vote. But we register to vote from our legal residences, which is usually where we pay our income taxes. Somebody who owns a vacation cabin or beach cottage doesn't get to vote there. College students should be voting from their homes, by absentee ballot if necessary, and college dorms aren't anybody's primary legal residence. Dorms aren't usually even where the college mails their grades and bills. If a student actually establishes residence, he'll be able to prove it with an apartment lease, utility bills, a local driver's license, etc. I don't understand why this is an issue at all, and it certainly isn't part of the sleazy voter ID practices that are a real problem.

BS. Living at college is not a beach cottage or vacation cabin. Most students live at their colleges more than 9 months of the year. The idea that it isn't their primary residence is nonsense.

I certainly received both bills and grades in the dorms I lived in. Also, many of these voter ID laws don't allow people to register to vote just providing a piece of mail.

The fact is voter fraud is a myth used to create phony voter id laws designed suppress people from voting.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It is real.

So WTF was it?

 

[Tony Stark]

So WTF was it?

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,21026195,00.html

 

[Foolmewunz]

So WTF was it?

I know you'll extra super appreciate this.... Colbert's take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_aQj05VC_I

 

[cullennz]

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,21026195,00.html

Brokey linky

 

[Tony Stark]

Brokey linky

It appears to add an quote at the end, no idea why. If you just delete it, it will work.

 

[cullennz]

It appears to add an quote at the end, no idea why. If you just delete it, it will work.

Ta muchly

 

[a_unique_person]

Yeah, it is. Let me know if you need some help!

You think you're getting a piece of the action?

 

[Bob001]

BS. Living at college is not a beach cottage or vacation cabin. Most students live at their colleges more than 9 months of the year. The idea that it isn't their primary residence is nonsense.

What address is on their driver's license, and where was it issued? Where is their car registered and insured? What address do they use on their federal tax forms? Etc., etc. Legal residence is actually not just where you happen to live temporarily.

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The fact is voter fraud is a myth used to create phony voter id laws designed suppress people from voting.

That's all true. I just don't think requiring people to register and vote from their legal residence is part of the voter id fraud. By your standard, there would be no such thing as out-of-state tuition at state universities; everybody would be a considered an in-state resident. And I think it's a real problem that a large transient student population in a college town could elect officials who would pander to them, to the detriment of the people who actually have to live and work and pay taxes there.

 

[Sabrina]

BS. Living at college is not a beach cottage or vacation cabin. Most students live at their colleges more than 9 months of the year. The idea that it isn't their primary residence is nonsense.

I certainly received both bills and grades in the dorms I lived in. Also, many of these voter ID laws don't allow people to register to vote just providing a piece of mail.

The fact is voter fraud is a myth used to create phony voter id laws designed suppress people from voting.

I can't speak for colleges everywhere, but I can definitely say that I never once listed my college address as my primary address during the period of time I was living in the dorms. My primary address was always my home of record, my parents' house. I had a college address, certainly, but it was a PO Box, and while I got mail there (bills and such for certain things), it was never meant to be a primary address.

Similarly, when I was on active duty and stationed in Fort Bliss, I had a driver's license with a Virginia address on it, because I kept my parents' address as my primary address with their permission. If I had taken the effort to vote during that time frame (I didn't bother because I didn't much care who was the President at the time) I would have had to vote with an absentee ballot in Virginia rather than voting in Texas, even though I lived there.

Point is, you can live somewhere and not have it be your home of record for voting purposes. I doubt many college students are going to list their dorms as their home of record, even though they are there for the majority of the year, simply because it is at best a temporary residence due to the very impermanent nature of the residency. If they had an apartment off campus it might be different, but not a whole lot of students can afford that these days; it's cheaper to stay in the dorms.

 

[The Don]

That's all true. I just don't think requiring people to register and vote from their legal residence is part of the voter id fraud. By your standard, there would be no such thing as out-of-state tuition at state universities; everybody would be a considered an in-state resident. And I think it's a real problem that a large transient student population in a college town could elect officials who would pander to them, to the detriment of the people who actually have to live and work and pay taxes there.

Then again if you have a large student population, why shouldn't they get a say in who governs the town in which they live and study most of the year ? I'm sure there are some smaller towns with large universities where the students represent a significant proportion of the population.

 

[Foolmewunz]

That's all true. I just don't think requiring people to register and vote from their legal residence is part of the voter id fraud. By your standard, there would be no such thing as out-of-state tuition at state universities; everybody would be a considered an in-state resident. And I think it's a real problem that a large transient student population in a college town could elect officials who would pander to them, to the detriment of the people who actually have to live and work and pay taxes there.

I don't want to go all Atheism + on you, but we should check our privilege. Not everyone has mom-and-dad to go back to. There are college students who don't consider that their "address" is their parents' home. I know I was, shall we say, "asked to leave" at seventeen. Had I attended the school I had a scholarship to, I'd have had no home base back in NYC to refer to as "home". And had I gone back to NYC and thus NY State for the election, I would have had no address.

I'm not saying that all students MUST vote in their college location, but I certainly think they should have the option to do so.

I think, although I've given it very little thought in the thinking, that I might concede an objection to some of the states that only require a 30 or 60 day residence for voting. A student arriving in Tucson in September really isn't going to have a whole helluva lot of knowledge on local issues in the local races or ballot issues.

 

[Bob001]

I don't want to go all Atheism + on you, but we should check our privilege. Not everyone has mom-and-dad to go back to. There are college students who don't consider that their "address" is their parents' home.
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Sure, I know that's true. And I would say that in your case, wherever you were living was your legal, voting address, even if you lived in dorms or group houses that changed every year. That's also where you would have had your driver's license and paid your taxes. That was your only home. The dispute is about traditional college students who do return to family homes when they're not in school.