Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Judge Massei decreed they did, and Raff - in a rant to a national newspaper - confirms it here:




So, here we have an insight into the mind of a reckless, anti-social, disrespectful yob, who calls the Judge 'Giancarlo'.

I was in a hurry this morning and inadvertently mislabelled the door. It doesn't change the fact of evidence of a clean up.

"Judge Massei decreed they did, and Raff - in a rant to a national newspaper - confirms it here:"

What part of this are you not understanding: "According to Judge Giancarlo Massei the story goes on like this..."
Raffaele confirms nothing. He is sarcastically paraphrasing what Massei claimed happened. And we all know Massei was overturned. It's incredible that you are trying to pass what Raffaele said as "confirming" anything.

No evidence of a clean up was ever presented in court by the prosecution. In fact, physical evidence supports that no clean up happened: intact footprints in hallway, visible blood left in bathroom, bathmat left in plain sight, etc. Priverta, the prosecution fingerprint expert said he saw no sign of any intentional clean up. Time to move past 2008 tabloid "information", don't you think?

Did you also "inadvertently" falsely claim the blood was diluted by water because you were in a hurry? How about presenting that alleged quote of mine where I said Meredith had "very fine hair" and that's why it "dried so quickly"?
 
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"Judge Massei decreed they did, and Raff - in a rant to a national newspaper - confirms it here:"

What part of this are you not understanding: "According to Judge Giancarlo Massei the story goes on like this..."
Raffaele confirms nothing. He is sarcastically paraphrasing what Massei claimed happened. And we all know Massei was overturned. It's incredible that you are trying to pass what Raffaele said as "confirming" anything.

No evidence of a clean up was ever presented in court by the prosecution. In fact, physical evidence supports that no clean up happened: intact footprints in hallway, visible blood left in bathroom, bathmat left in plain sight, etc. Priverta, the prosecution fingerprint expert said he saw no sign of any intentional clean up. Time to move past 2008 tabloid "information", don't you think?

Did you also "inadvertently" falsely claim the blood was diluted by water because you were in a hurry? How about presenting that alleged quote of mine where I said Meredith had "very fine hair" and that's why it "dried so quickly"?


There is no getting away from it. In his statement to Perugia police 5 N0v 2007 and corroborated by Amanda, Raff confirmed:

QA In fact at around 10:30 she went out and I went back to sleep. When she went out that morning to go to her house, Amanda also took an empty bag telling me she needed it for dirty clothes.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...7_Statement_to_the_Police#English_translation


So, the washing machine which had just finished a cycle that morning:
 

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Vixen the argument you should be trying to make is that based on the evidence considered incriminating by the court, Amanda Knox should not have been acquitted.

Since the washing machine was not part of that evidence, and not mentioned as supplying incriminating evidence in any of the judge reports, it is futile to talk about. We all know you think Amanda Knox is secretly guilty of pulling off the perfect murder, but you should be trying to convince us she was wrongfully acquitted based on the actual existing evidence in court.

If you're going to insist Amanda is guilty because of extraneous evidence not part of the court case, you're actually supporting the PIP position, which is that Amanda Knox was not guilty beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence actually considered in court.
 
To inject some reality into this thread, here is an excerpt from Section 8.1 of the Marasca CSC panel motivation report, explaining the absence of evidence against Knox and Sollecito:

8.1. An element of evidence of unchallengeable relevance - for the reasons explained hereinafter - is represented by the total absence of biological traces attributable with certainty to the two defendants in the murder room or on the body of the victim, whereas, instead, abundant traces surely attributable to Guede have been found.

This was an insurmountable monolithic barrier on the path taken by the fact-finding judge to arrive at the conviction of the present defendants, already acquitted previously for the murder by the Court of Appeals of Perugia.

To overcome the relevance of such a negative element - undeniably favourable to the defendants - it has been claimed in vain that, after staging the break-in, the authors of the crime performed a “selective” cleaning of the crime scene, in order to remove only those damning traces attributable to them, while leaving behind, instead, those attributable to others.

This hypothesis is patently illogical. To fully understand its degree of inconsistency it is not really necessary to appoint court experts, even if this has been requested by the defences. That such a selective cleaning, moreover capable of escaping detection by luminol, whose use by the investigators (also to find traces of non-haematic origin) is nowadays part of everyday knowledge, is, for sure, impossible, according to the basic laws of ordinary experience.
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With reference to the alleged bloody traces in the other rooms, mainly in the corridor, there is even an obvious misrepresentation of evidence. Indeed the S.A.L. of the Scientific Police (acronym of “Stato Avanzamento Lavori” [State of Work Progress], stating the progression of the scientific investigations and their results) had excluded, thanks to the use of a specific chemical reagent [TMB], that the traces highlighted by luminol in the concerned rooms were of haematic nature. These papers, even if duly filed into the trial documents, have been completely neglected.

Not only that, but it is also patently illogical, in this context, the reasoning of the fact finding judge, who (on page 186) reckons being able to overcome the defensive objection that the luminescent bluish reaction generated by luminol can be produced also by substances different from blood (for instance, leftovers of cleaning detergents, fruit juices and many others), by arguing that the reasoning, while theoretically correct, has however to be “contextualised”, meaning that if the fluorescence occurs at a place where a murder occurred, the reaction cannot be but connected with haematic traces.

The weakness of the argument is such, already at first sight, that it does not require any confutation, since to reason in that way one should also surmise that the house on via della Pergola was never the object of cleanings nor was a “lived” location [i.e. with people living and doing things in it].

This observation hence allows to categorically exclude that those traces were made of blood and willfully removed in that circumstance.

There was no evidence of a credible or reliable nature indicating any guilt of Knox or Sollecito regarding the murder and sexual assault on Kercher.
 
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To inject some reality into this thread, here is an excerpt from Section 8.1 of the Marasca CSC panel motivation report, explaining the absence of evidence against Knox and Sollecito:

8.1. An element of evidence of unchallengeable relevance - for the reasons explained hereinafter - is represented by the total absence of biological traces attributable with certainty to the two defendants in the murder room or on the body of the victim, whereas, instead, abundant traces surely attributable to Guede have been found.

This was an insurmountable monolithic barrier on the path taken by the fact-finding judge to arrive at the conviction of the present defendants, already acquitted previously for the murder by the Court of Appeals of Perugia.

To overcome the relevance of such a negative element - undeniably favourable to the defendants - it has been claimed in vain that, after staging the break-in, the authors of the crime performed a “selective” cleaning of the crime scene, in order to remove only those damning traces attributable to them, while leaving behind, instead, those attributable to others.

This hypothesis is patently illogical. To fully understand its degree of inconsistency it is not really necessary to appoint court experts, even if this has been requested by the defences. That such a selective cleaning, moreover capable of escaping detection by luminol, whose use by the investigators (also to find traces of non-haematic origin) is nowadays part of everyday knowledge, is, for sure, impossible, according to the basic laws of ordinary experience.
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With reference to the alleged bloody traces in the other rooms, mainly in the corridor, there is even an obvious misrepresentation of evidence. Indeed the S.A.L. of the Scientific Police (acronym of “Stato Avanzamento Lavori” [State of Work Progress], stating the progression of the scientific investigations and their results) had excluded, thanks to the use of a specific chemical reagent [TMB], that the traces highlighted by luminol in the concerned rooms were of haematic nature. These papers, even if duly filed into the trial documents, have been completely neglected.

Not only that, but it is also patently illogical, in this context, the reasoning of the fact finding judge, who (on page 186) reckons being able to overcome the defensive objection that the luminescent bluish reaction generated by luminol can be produced also by substances different from blood (for instance, leftovers of cleaning detergents, fruit juices and many others), by arguing that the reasoning, while theoretically correct, has however to be “contextualised”, meaning that if the fluorescence occurs at a place where a murder occurred, the reaction cannot be but connected with haematic traces.

The weakness of the argument is such, already at first sight, that it does not require any confutation, since to reason in that way one should also surmise that the house on via della Pergola was never the object of cleanings nor was a “lived” location [i.e. with people living and doing things in it]. This observation hence allows to categorically exclude that those traces were made of blood and willfully removed in that circumstance.

There was no evidence of a credible or reliable nature indicating any guilt of Knox or Sollecito regarding the murder and sexual assault on Kercher.

In essence, both convicting courts as well as guilters in general blame Knox herself for the missing evidence which, if it had not been cleaned up by her, would have convicted her.

The convicting courts also assumed that the clean-up, in essence, happened BEFORE the crime took place. Meaning: that whatever it was which was found from 1 pm Nov 2 onwards, had been deposited into a sterile environment (the cottage) which existed as of 9 pm, Nov 1.

When one realizes the ludicrousness of that, one is forced to conclude as the Marasca/Bruno court did: There was no evidence of a credible or reliable nature indicating any guilt of Knox or Sollecito regarding the murder and sexual assault on Kercher.
 
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There is no getting away from it. In his statement to Perugia police 5 N0v 2007 and corroborated by Amanda, Raff confirmed:

QA In fact at around 10:30 she went out and I went back to sleep. When she went out that morning to go to her house, Amanda also took an empty bag telling me she needed it for dirty clothes.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...7_Statement_to_the_Police#English_translation


So, the washing machine which had just finished a cycle that morning:

Think about this logically. The bag was EMPTY meaning she was going to bring her dirty clothes BACK to Raffaele's to wash. If she were planning on washing her dirty clothes at her place, she would not need to carry an EMPTY bag to her place. Just how do you think she got her dirty clothes to the laundry room in the cottage the previous 6 weeks she was there? In a clothes basket or bag already at the cottage. The washing machine contained only Meredith's clothes, which Meredith had put in the day before. Why would Amanda need to wash Meredith's clothes that she was not wearing at the time of the murder? She wouldn't.

No, the machine had not "just finished a cycle that morning". There is no evidence of this whatsoever. Clothes stay damp in a closed washing machine for several days which eventually leads to a sour smell...but not after one day. And please, do not go to the "the clothes were still warm" nonsense. Not a single witness, including the police, testified the clothes were "warm".
 
Vixen boasts about how she uses primary sources.

I have asked for primary sources for

1) The murder being staged to emulate a scene from the Manga 'Blood: the first vampire. (Also that the scene is set on Halloween).

Vixen refuses because the source is 'confidential'!

2) A primary source for a police witness describing Knox as smelling like an alley cat on the morning of the 2 November?

No reply as yet.

3) A primary source for police crime scene investigators finding evidence of someone shuffling around on a cloth?

The primary source Vixen gave for this is an email when Knox did not mention this.

So Vixen can you improve on these primary sources for these statements of 'fact' you posted or are you prepared to accept they are untrue. (Or perhaps just a hurried slip like claiming the bathroom door is the bedroom door and blood is diluted when it is not.
 
Oh really? Perhaps you can put your spin on the following picture of Amanda's luminol highlighted footprint. Very incriminating, or perhaps LondonJohn can give us all his usual good smelly cow manure to explain it away'. What will it be this time, turnip juice 6-1 or horseradish 5/1? The book is open. 8/7 odds on favourite: 'It is Rudy's [hic].'

Or, more discerning minds, might like to read the analysis of the clean up, here.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...ow_rudy_guedes_diary_provides_even_more_proo/

My explanation for this (which others disagree with, and is only one possibility), is that the faint (not visible with naked eye) Luminol positive prints are dilute blood, so dilute that the TMB test is negative. (At this level of dilution the DNA testing should be negative.) The level of dilution is very high for this to have occurred the equivalent of one drop of blood in a bath of water.

My explanation is that when Knox did the bathmat shuffle she got some blood on her wet foot from the blood on the bath mat. The footprints are hers. are in dilute blood from the murder victim. They are exactly what one would find if Knox gave a true account of her activities on Nov. 2. These footprints are proof of the veracity of Knox's testimony. Just as the marks on the bathmat discovered by the defence (not the police, and not until 2008), also supported Knox's testimony.

Evidence cannot only be considered as supporting guilt, the possibility of an innocent explanation has to be considered. This is an innocent explanation for the evidence. One also has to consider that the footprints may arise from a substance other than blood such as rusty water.
 
My explanation for this (which others disagree with, and is only one possibility), is that the faint (not visible with naked eye) Luminol positive prints are dilute blood, so dilute that the TMB test is negative. (At this level of dilution the DNA testing should be negative.) The level of dilution is very high for this to have occurred the equivalent of one drop of blood in a bath of water.

My explanation is that when Knox did the bathmat shuffle she got some blood on her wet foot from the blood on the bath mat. The footprints are hers. are in dilute blood from the murder victim. They are exactly what one would find if Knox gave a true account of her activities on Nov. 2. These footprints are would be proof of the veracity of Knox's testimony if this hypothesis that they were made from highly-diluted blood were shown to be correct. Just as the marks on the bathmat discovered by the defence (not the police, and not until 2008), also supported Knox's testimony.

Evidence cannot only be considered as supporting guilt, the possibility of an innocent explanation has to be considered. This is an innocent explanation for the evidence. One also has to consider that the footprints may arise from a substance other than blood such as rusty water.

I changed the wording of your post to make it more clear that it is truly uncertain what is the source of the luminol-detected footprints attributed to Knox. There was no determination that they had any blood content; the TMB test was negative, and thus Stefanoni - after prodding in court - stated explicitly in her testimony that they were not blood. As you state, no DNA was detected in the footprints. An antibody-antigen test would have given additional information, but there is no proof that the footprints in question were composed of a biological substance.

There is no information on when those footprints were made, who made them (there was no comparison to the feet of other flat residents, past or contemporaneous), and what the material of the footprints were. While you suggest rusty water, it should be noted that the soil of Umbria (Perugia is the capital of the region of Umbria) is a source of the pigment umber, which contains iron oxide and other minerals. The footprints could have been made by someone who had tracked in some soil.

From Wikipedia: Umber is a natural brown or reddish-brown earth pigment that contains iron oxide and manganese oxide. It is darker than the other similar earth pigments, ochre and sienna.

In its natural form, it is called raw umber. When heated (calcinated), the color becomes more intense, and the color is known as burnt umber.

The name comes from terra d'ombra, or earth of Umbria, the Italian name of the pigment. Umbria is a mountainous region in central Italy where the pigment was originally extracted.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umber
 
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As we say in England, Wilson85, you have it 'arse over tit'.

The perpetrators spent the night setting up the staged scene, cleaning up (you note the hallway has no visible blood stains, with Rudy's feint against the terracotta floor [=red floor]; there is no blood on the outside of Mez' door - yet there is a streak of diluted blood within the door frame, which the cleaners overlooked, and indicating there had been fresh blood there - there are no bloody footprints leading up to the bathmat, as one would expect.

Amanda had just spent the night emailing her friends in the USA describing her shower with Raff in great detail (ears, hair, etc). Do people normally write to their address book contacts and say, hey guys, I just have a session in the shower with my partner!? The shower likely happened during the murder night with the two oF them - nobody else had the key to the door, who was around that weekend. Stefanoni believed the drips of blood in the bathroom, almost pure at the cotton bud box and becoming more diluted as it gets to the bidet, was the result of the murder knife being held over it and rinsed. You note mixed in with Mez' blood was Amanda's DNA, with more of Amanda's, when it is Mez' who had bled to death, indicating Amanda was also bleeding to match the volume of DNA. In court, Amanda confirmed she had not used the bidet for a few days (...if ever).

In her intricately detailed email home, she does not mention anything about shuffling along on her bath mat. That only came after her lawyers appraised her of the forensics coming out,. She sent them an 'explanation' in a letter and lo! the bathmat shuffle was born. There were sporadic footprints in the hallway compatible with hers and Raff's highlighted by the luminol, a presumptive test, which police use to detect recent contact with fresh blood. There is no way the police could have faked these results, as it is all done under night light, the footsteps otherwise invisible.

Having carefully let Rudy's excrement remain in the other toliet, Amanda had to dream up a story explaining how she would know about it, and perhaps account for the bathroom's obvious recent use, so the story of the early morning shower was born.

How would Amanda know the faeces was left by one of the perps?

How would she know Mez' was behind the door, locked in? You recall, Raff tried to break it down. (The police believe to retrieve Amanda's lamp on the floor still in there.) Amanda claimed to the police a locked door meant Mez was away.

If she's innocent? An innocent person simply would not shower in a freezing cold cottage with the front door wide open, a smashed window which can be seen as you walk towards the front door and an obvious bloody footprint on the bathmat. Raff and Amanda did not even bother to investigate further until twenty minutes after Filomena urged her to. Hmm. Yes, of course.

I overlooked this earlier. If it was Amanda or Raffaele, not Guede, who locked Meredith's bedroom door, they had to have the key. Why would Raff need to break down the door when they could have just unlocked it?
 
Oh really? Perhaps you can put your spin on the following picture of Amanda's luminol highlighted footprint. Very incriminating, or perhaps LondonJohn can give us all his usual good smelly cow manure to explain it away'. What will it be this time, turnip juice 6-1 or horseradish 5/1? The book is open. 8/7 odds on favourite: 'It is Rudy's [hic].'

Or, more discerning minds, might like to read the analysis of the clean up, here.

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...ow_rudy_guedes_diary_provides_even_more_proo/

"There were a total of fourteen luminol-positive areas in Raffaele’s apartment. Ten did not yield a DNA profile; one had Amanda’s DNA profile; two had a mixed profile from Amanda and Raffaele, and one had the DNA profile from an unknown male. Three came from bedroom or bathroom door handles; five came from the kitchen, two from the bathroom, and two from the bedroom. The Massei report stated [p. 194, English translation], “The November 13 inspection in the apartment used by Raffaele Sollecito did not yield any significant results.” (amandaknoxcase.com)

According to Dr. Gino's testimony, half of samples that are luminol positive test blood negative.

No blood was detected in any of these 14 samples, yet they all were luminol positive. They were obviously reacting to something, but it wasn't blood. How do you explain that?
 
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Does anyone have a citation for Nigel Scott being the "friend" that took Raffaele to Meredith's grave? And that Mr. Scott called Meredith's plot "scruffy"?

I have asked Vixen for the citation but, rather than providing it, she accused me of not knowing basic facts of the case. Yes, somehow she believes knowing the visitation habits regarding Meredith's grave is an important facet of the murder trial (tells you something about how she thinks).

Anyway, just curious if it's true or not. The only thing I can find on google is a string of posts on TJMK, those posts referenced on injusticeanywhere, and a cryptic tweet from a guilter on Nigel's twitter account. Or is this more evidence that Vixen is either a) a lying sociopath or b) completely incapable of thinking logically and evaluating sources, and TJMK is one of her "primary sources"?
 
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"There were a total of fourteen luminol-positive areas in Raffaele’s apartment. Ten did not yield a DNA profile; one had Amanda’s DNA profile; two had a mixed profile from Amanda and Raffaele, and one had the DNA profile from an unknown male. Three came from bedroom or bathroom door handles; five came from the kitchen, two from the bathroom, and two from the bedroom. The Massei report stated [p. 194, English translation], “The November 13 inspection in the apartment used by Raffaele Sollecito did not yield any significant results.” (amandaknoxcase.com)

According to Dr. Gino's testimony, half of samples that are luminol positive test blood negative.

No blood was detected in any of these 14 samples, yet they all were luminol positive. They were obviously reacting to something, but it wasn't blood. How do you explain that?

Luminol (Blood)

The search for the presence of blood at a crime scene is normally done by close visual examination. The possibility exists, however, that blood may be present in amounts too little to see with the unaided eye, or that the blood at the scene had been “cleaned up” prior to arrival of the crime scene team. Scientists can take advantage of the luminol reaction to locate potential blood evidence that would be undetectable through visual examination.

The light, or luminescence, emitted in the luminol reaction is thought to result when an oxidizing agent, such as blood, catalyzes the oxidation of luminol by hydrogen peroxide in a basic solution. The reaction is not specific to blood, however, as other oxidizing agents such as sodium hypoclorite (bleach), certain metals, and plant peroxidases may also cause luminescence with luminol. Because the reaction is not specific to blood, a follow up presumptive test, such as phenolphthalein, is typically run on potential samples prior to collection.
Besides being useful in locating minute amounts of blood, the luminescent pattern observed on surfaces could indicate such things as; the route of exit from the crime scene, drag marks in blood, or an attempt to clean up blood.

{Illustration captions; see source url for illustrations: Above left: a footwear impression in blood that has been enhanced with luminol reagent. Above right: by applying luminol to a linoleum floor, an attempt to clean up blood is apparent}

Source: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bc...es/forensic-programs-crime-scene-luminol.aspx
 
Vixen boasts about how she uses primary sources.

I have asked for primary sources for

1) The murder being staged to emulate a scene from the Manga 'Blood: the first vampire. (Also that the scene is set on Halloween).

Vixen refuses because the source is 'confidential'!

2) A primary source for a police witness describing Knox as smelling like an alley cat on the morning of the 2 November?

No reply as yet.

3) A primary source for police crime scene investigators finding evidence of someone shuffling around on a cloth?

The primary source Vixen gave for this is an email when Knox did not mention this.

So Vixen can you improve on these primary sources for these statements of 'fact' you posted or are you prepared to accept they are untrue. (Or perhaps just a hurried slip like claiming the bathroom door is the bedroom door and blood is diluted when it is not.


You have been referred numerous times to Mignini's closing submissions.

As you can see below, the footprint highlighted by luminol, which is several hundred thousand times more sensitive to blood than TMB and which in no way can have been 'contaminated' or 'fixed' by the police, matches Amanda very well.

You have been told several times the authority for the matching of the footprints are forensic dactyloligist Rinaldi and senior forensic police detective Boemia, who reported, as below, and who surely have better things to do with their time than 'frame innocent kids'.

Dr Rinaldi and Chief Inspector Boemia were given the task of doing the technical investigation of the footprints that the luminol revealed.[5] Of these three had sufficient details to be used for the purpose of identification. Two of the footprints made in blood were identified as being compatible with Amanda Knox and the third was identified as being compatible with Raffaele Sollecito.[6] It was further possible to use the same measurements to exclude the possibility that Rudy Guede made the bloody footprints.[7]
Finding 1 / L5 / Rep. 180
Located in the bedroom of Amanda Knox this was identified as the right foot most likely in a deposit of haematic substance. The 1st toe, 3rd toe, the metatarsus, and a portion of the plantar arch led the technicians to conclude that the footprint was compatible with Amanda Knox's right foot.[8] This trace was also found to have Amanda Knox's DNA.[9]


Finding 2 / L7 / Rep. 181
(Pictured above) Located in the corridor in the direction facing the exit was the print of another right foot made imprinted by a deposit of blood.[10] Next to the right foot was a print (L6) made by a left foot but there were no useful details for identification purposes.[11] The right foot did provide useful information. Being placed on a Robbins grid the investigators were able to get measurements for the big toe, both width and length for the metatarsus, and a width measurement for the heel.[12] The bloody footprint was determined to be compatible with Raffaele Sollecito's right foot.[13]
Finding 7 / L9 / Rep. 184
Located in the corridor directly in front of the door to Meredith Kercher's room and pointing towards the entrance as if entering the room.[14] Measurements for the big toe, metatarsus, and heel were found to be compatible with Amanda Knox's foot.[15]
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces

I do understand that a quasi top criminologist tapping his or her keyboard claiming biochemistry lab tech credentials would like to imagine he or she knows better.

Your theory about the bathmat shuffle really happening on 2 Nov 2007 as described by Amanda is fascinating. Unfortunately, it falls at the first hurdle as Amanda's footprint faces Mez's door directly, when according to Amanda and Amanda-champion planigale (for it is he/she) she was headed for her room to get a towel.

It doesn't explain luminol highlighting footprints identified by forensic experts as Raff's, also padding around in Mez' blood, when his alibi is, 'I wasn't there, Mia Lud'.
 

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Does anyone have a citation for Nigel Scott being the "friend" that took Raffaele to Meredith's grave? And that Mr. Scott called Meredith's plot "scruffy"?

I have asked Vixen for the citation but, rather than providing it, she accused me of not knowing basic facts of the case. Yes, somehow she believes knowing the visitation habits regarding Meredith's grave is an important facet of the murder trial (tells you something about how she thinks).

Anyway, just curious if it's true or not. The only thing I can find on google is a string of posts on TJMK, those posts referenced on injusticeanywhere, and a cryptic tweet from a guilter on Nigel's twitter account. Or is this more evidence that Vixen is either a) a lying sociopath or b) completely incapable of thinking logically and evaluating sources, and TJMK is one of her "primary sources"?

I rather think the sociopath is the person who believes the entire Italian police force have a 'negative empahty' towards the kids, the one who takes a then convicted murderer to the grave of his victim, leaves no flowers and then tweets on twitter in derogatory terms as to the grave's unfinished state (it was awaiting a headstone).

An even better example of a sociopath would be a killer who gets a strange thrill from visiting the grave of his victim.

And then there is the strange phenomenon of 'murderer groupies' who believe everybody who doesn't worship at the same altar of evil as them, is 'a lying sociopath'.
 
Luminol (Blood)

The search for the presence of blood at a crime scene is normally done by close visual examination. The possibility exists, however, that blood may be present in amounts too little to see with the unaided eye, or that the blood at the scene had been “cleaned up” prior to arrival of the crime scene team. Scientists can take advantage of the luminol reaction to locate potential blood evidence that would be undetectable through visual examination.

The light, or luminescence, emitted in the luminol reaction is thought to result when an oxidizing agent, such as blood, catalyzes the oxidation of luminol by hydrogen peroxide in a basic solution. The reaction is not specific to blood, however, as other oxidizing agents such as sodium hypoclorite (bleach), certain metals, and plant peroxidases may also cause luminescence with luminol. Because the reaction is not specific to blood, a follow up presumptive test, such as phenolphthalein, is typically run on potential samples prior to collection.
Besides being useful in locating minute amounts of blood, the luminescent pattern observed on surfaces could indicate such things as; the route of exit from the crime scene, drag marks in blood, or an attempt to clean up blood.

{Illustration captions; see source url for illustrations: Above left: a footwear impression in blood that has been enhanced with luminol reagent. Above right: by applying luminol to a linoleum floor, an attempt to clean up blood is apparent}

Source: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bc...es/forensic-programs-crime-scene-luminol.aspx

You have been told numerous times that bleach only reacts with luminol within a very narrow time limit (within 72 hours at the outside, but normally less than twelve hours). When it does react, it gives a blanket glow, not clear footprint shaped outlines.
 
I rather think the sociopath is the person who believes the entire Italian police force have a 'negative empahty' towards the kids, the one who takes a then convicted murderer to the grave of his victim, leaves no flowers and then tweets on twitter in derogatory terms as to the grave's unfinished state (it was awaiting a headstone).

An even better example of a sociopath would be a killer who gets a strange thrill from visiting the grave of his victim.

And then there is the strange phenomenon of 'murderer groupies' who believe everybody who doesn't worship at the same altar of evil as them, is 'a lying sociopath'.

Well then, this looks like a roundabout way of saying you have absolutely no reference to verify your claim and attempted smear of the reputation of Nigel Scott. Color me shocked.

I would say someone that spends the vast majority of their free time spreading lies and misinformation about two innocent people, and attempts to smear anyone who speaks out in support of them, is likely a sociopath, yes. I would also say someone who lies constantly is a liar. So lying sociopath is probably an apt description. Not to mention the shilling for her friends' books to profit off Meredith's murder. And the creepy fixation with calling the murder victim a term of endearment used only by her family and friends.

When you call us 'murder groupies', you are aware they have been acquitted and every independent DNA expert who has examined the forensic evidence has stated it was faulty and did not support the original conviction, yes? So, in fact, since this is (yet another) of your attempts to smear the supporters of two innocents, one may say calling us 'murder groupies' all the time may be yet another example of sociopathy.

Something to think about Vixen. If you ever get around to doing that.
 
I changed the wording of your post to make it more clear that it is truly uncertain what is the source of the luminol-detected footprints attributed to Knox. There was no determination that they had any blood content; the TMB test was negative, and thus Stefanoni - after prodding in court - stated explicitly in her testimony that they were not blood. As you state, no DNA was detected in the footprints. An antibody-antigen test would have given additional information, but there is no proof that the footprints in question were composed of a biological substance.

There is no information on when those footprints were made, who made them (there was no comparison to the feet of other flat residents, past or contemporaneous), and what the material of the footprints were. While you suggest rusty water, it should be noted that the soil of Umbria (Perugia is the capital of the region of Umbria) is a source of the pigment umber, which contains iron oxide and other minerals. The footprints could have been made by someone who had tracked in some soil.

From Wikipedia: Umber is a natural brown or reddish-brown earth pigment that contains iron oxide and manganese oxide. It is darker than the other similar earth pigments, ochre and sienna.

In its natural form, it is called raw umber. When heated (calcinated), the color becomes more intense, and the color is known as burnt umber.

The name comes from terra d'ombra, or earth of Umbria, the Italian name of the pigment. Umbria is a mountainous region in central Italy where the pigment was originally extracted.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umber

Happy with your correction.
 
A study of common interferences with the forensic luminol test for blood

Quickenden and Creamer
Department of Chemistry, University of Western Australia
Luminescence 2001;16:295–298

ABSTRACT: A wide range of domestic and industrial substances that might be mistaken for haemoglobin in the forensic luminol test
for blood were examined. The substances studied were in the categories of vegetable or fruit pulps and juices; domestic and
commercial oils; cleaning agents; an insecticide; and various glues, paints and varnishes. A significant number of substances in each
category gave luminescence intensities that were comparable with the intensities of undiluted haemoglobin, when sprayed with the
standard forensic solution containing aqueous alkaline luminol and sodium perborate. In these cases the substance could be easily
mistaken for blood when the luminol test is used, but in the remaining cases the luminescence intensity was so weak that it is unlikely
that a false-positive test would be obtained. In a few cases the brightly emitting substance could be distinguished from blood by a
small but detectable shift of the peak emission wavelength. The results indicated that particular care should be taken to avoid
interferences when a crime scene is contaminated with parsnip, turnip or horseradish, and when surfaces coated with enamel paint are
involved. To a lesser extent, some care should be taken when surfaces covered with terracotta or ceramic tiles, polyurethane varnishes
or jute and sisal matting are involved. Copyright  2001 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
____

Those disagreeing with the work of the above or the Minnesota Department of Public Safety (https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bc...es/forensic-programs-crime-scene-luminol.aspx) should let those professors or law-enforcement agencies know their views.
 
You have been referred numerous times to Mignini's closing submissions.

As you can see below, the footprint highlighted by luminol, which is several hundred thousand times more sensitive to blood than TMB and which in no way can have been 'contaminated' or 'fixed' by the police, matches Amanda very well.

You have been told several times the authority for the matching of the footprints are forensic dactyloligist Rinaldi and senior forensic police detective Boemia, who reported, as below, and who surely have better things to do with their time than 'frame innocent kids'.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces

I do understand that a quasi top criminologist tapping his or her keyboard claiming biochemistry lab tech credentials would like to imagine he or she knows better.

Your theory about the bathmat shuffle really happening on 2 Nov 2007 as described by Amanda is fascinating. Unfortunately, it falls at the first hurdle as Amanda's footprint faces Mez's door directly, when according to Amanda and Amanda-champion planigale (for it is he/she) she was headed for her room to get a towel.

It doesn't explain luminol highlighting footprints identified by forensic experts as Raff's, also padding around in Mez' blood, when his alibi is, 'I wasn't there, Mia Lud'.

So how many lies here?
"planigale (for it is he/she) she was headed for her room to get a towel."
Please show where I have said Knox was headed for her room to get a towel; or admit yet again you have lied about what someone posted. Primary source should be easy to find!

You do understand a dactyloligist is a fingerprint technician, not a footprint specialist (normally a forensic anthropologist or forensic podiatrist)? You do know Robbins is discredited? You duo understand 'compatible' means that they were not able to identify Knox as the source of the print?

You do know this is untrue "the footprint highlighted by luminol, which is several hundred thousand times more sensitive to blood than TMB"? Please reference a source saying Luminol is several hundred thousand times more sensitive or admit this is a lie. (Just to give you a helping hand the limit of sensitivity of Luminol is a 1:1,000,000 dilution so you are claiming that the limit of sensitivity of TMB is less than a 1:10 dilution.).

I assume this"Mignini's closing submissions" references the Manga. The specific question you need to answer is the source of the claim that the murder was staged to emulate the picture in the Manga 'Blood:the first vampire'. And, where in the Manga is it stated that this occurred on halloween. This is a claim you made and now you are being asked to back it up or backdown and admit you just made it up (i.e. another lie).
 
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