Question for Trump supporters

aleCcowaN said:
You all should have taken this quiz here.

My result was 87% Stein - 85% Clinton - 75% Johnson - 57% Trump - 36% Castle. I side with Trump in immigration and criminal issues.
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Yes. Be sure to note the rating scale and the more-info button. There were very hard to see on my tablet.

Also, be aware there are extra questions available in some categories.

I love the more option button. It allowed me to be specific about my reasons

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There is one last aspect of the test I want to comment on, but you should take the test before reading the spoiler.
There were more than a few questions for which I had to say "I don't know." At first I was a bit embarrassed, but now I am not. There is nothing wrong with being unable to quickly provide an opinion on a complicated issue that is connected to other complicated issues.
 
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aleCcowaN said:
You all should have taken this quiz here.

My result was 87% Stein - 85% Clinton - 75% Johnson - 57% Trump - 36% Castle. I side with Trump in immigration and criminal issues.
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My result was:
Clinton: 90%
Stein: 88%
Johnson: 69%
Trump: 24%
Castle: 6%

The 88% for Stein is truly baffling.
 
I'm rather surprised at Castle being included. I had to google the guy because I'd never heard of him before. I wonder how he got added to this quiz, and how much that addition increased his name recognition?

eta:Clinton 97%, Stein 94% (really?), Johnson 58%, Trump 11%, and in a click to show more candidates, Castle 4%
 
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Very interesting!

Castle was probably included because he has a voting intention around 1.5% (Johnson 8%, Stein 3%).

It was important to use the "how important this is to me" selector. Results changed a lot, though I know it seemed endless.

I was surprised by my high score in Stein and Clinton, but a lot of social legislation in my country comes from constitutional amendments so I stand by them the same way many in the States stand for the right to bear arms.

It seems, in paper, Clinton and Stein are proposing almost the same. I wonder who's the one that truly believes and who is the populist.

To me sunmaster14's scores represent the typical dilemma of Republicans today -and the dilemma of all the citizens of "The Great Northern Country" as we call it here-. It's clear sunmaster14 is a moderate Republican who finds Trump less unappealing than Clinton, besides a probable coherence through sunmaster14's life of voting Republican unless something really important arises.

I wouldn't recommend sunmaster14 to vote for Johnson or Castle because of the electoral system in the United States. The system is Manichean by design and there's just Trump or Clinton.
 
aleCcowaN said:
Very interesting!

Castle was probably included because he has a voting intention around 1.5% (Johnson 8%, Stein 3%).

It was important to use the "how important this is to me" selector. Results changed a lot, though I know it seemed endless.

I was surprised by my high score in Stein and Clinton, but a lot of social legislation in my country comes from constitutional amendments so I stand by them the same way many in the States stand for the right to bear arms.

It seems, in paper, Clinton and Stein are proposing almost the same. I wonder who's the one that truly believes and who is the populist.

To me sunmaster14's scores represent the typical dilemma of Republicans today -and the dilemma of all the citizens of "The Great Northern Country" as we call it here-. It's clear sunmaster14 is a moderate Republican who finds Trump less unappealing than Clinton, besides a probable coherence through sunmaster14's life of voting Republican unless something really important arises.

I wouldn't recommend sunmaster14 to vote for Johnson or Castle because of the electoral system in the United States. The system is Manichean by design and there's just Trump or Clinton.
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I've always been an advocate of voting one's conscience, regardless of our binary system, for the simple reason that even if one lives in a "battleground" state, the probability of one's vote making a difference is still less than 0.0001%. The impact of adding an extra vote to the tally of a 3rd party candidate is probably greater than increasing the probability of a "lesser evil" candidate winning by 0.0001%.

It is why I voted for Harold Browne in 2000, and also why I was able to convince some of my libertarian leaning friends to do the same. Including one who lived in Florida, by the way (turns out his vote didn't matter anyway since the margin of victory for Bush was 592 or so).

In this election, I was bound to vote for Hillary due to losing a bet with my wife, but she has since released me to vote for Johnson (but not for Trump). I think even my wife is getting pretty sick of Hillary's evident corruption and the fact that the media will allow her to run out the clock without being forced to face any hard questioning.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I've always been an advocate of voting one's conscience, regardless of our binary system, for the simple reason that even if one lives in a "battleground" state, the probability of one's vote making a difference is still less than 0.0001%. The impact of adding an extra vote to the tally of a 3rd party candidate is probably greater than increasing the probability of a "lesser evil" candidate winning by 0.0001%.

It is why I voted for Harold Browne in 2000, and also why I was able to convince some of my libertarian leaning friends to do the same. Including one who lived in Florida, by the way (turns out his vote didn't matter anyway since the margin of victory for Bush was 592 or so).

In this election, I was bound to vote for Hillary due to losing a bet with my wife, but she has since released me to vote for Johnson (but not for Trump). I think even my wife is getting pretty sick of Hillary's evident corruption and the fact that the media will allow her to run out the clock without being forced to face any hard questioning.
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Voting because of a bet ... I have troubles digesting this. The "my vote doesn't make any difference", that I know. It was one of the social basis for Argentina to have one military coup following another, because "somebody holds the reins of the government and I'm alien to the process". The very seed of political anomie.

I'm afraid the bipartisan synarchy is too strong and the tendency to "useful" votes is a sure bet. In the end, that 15% of people who support Johnson, Stein, Castle and a few more will shrink to 5-8%, as half of them wouldn't stand a wining Clinton or a wining Trump.

If the electoral system were slightly different...
 
logger said:
Yeah and every communists supports Hillary. :rolleyes:
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Which sort of communists?

Let's take the Trotskyists of the Fourth International, and its American chapter, the Socialist Equality Party. You can find their viewpoints on their website, the World Socialist Website.

SEP presidential candidate Jerry White campaigns at Detroit auto factory:
White received a warm response from workers. Many expressed disgust with the choice between the fascistic billionaire Donald Trump and the multi-millionaire stooge of Wall Street and warmonger Hillary Clinton.
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Doesn't exactly sound like support, does it? :rolleyes: Or this one about Hillary's recent speech attacking Trump for his racism:

Clinton highlights Trump’s ultra-right ties to curry favor with establishment Republicans
Clinton’s right-wing election campaign—based on praise for Obama’s “legacy,” a refusal to even acknowledge the existence of a social crisis, and warmongering denunciations of Russia—demonstrates that support for the Democrats and claims that they can be pressured to the left do not halt the growth of extreme right forces such as Trump. On the contrary, they fuel the spread of such tendencies.
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Is that support? Or what about this one, this time only the title:

Twenty years since the Clintons gutted the federal welfare system

And there's plenty more where that comes from.

The Don said:
I find that hard to believe, I would have thought that she would be far too corporatist for their tastes. Perhaps maybe Bernie but even he is far too right wing.
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Oh yeah, I can find similar criticism on Bernie on the WSWS. He's obviously a class traitor.
 
ddt said:
Which sort of communists?

Let's take the Trotskyists of the Fourth International, and its American chapter, the Socialist Equality Party. You can find their viewpoints on their website, the World Socialist Website.

SEP presidential candidate Jerry White campaigns at Detroit auto factory:

Doesn't exactly sound like support, does it? :rolleyes: Or this one about Hillary's recent speech attacking Trump for his racism:

Clinton highlights Trump’s ultra-right ties to curry favor with establishment Republicans

Is that support? Or what about this one, this time only the title:

Twenty years since the Clintons gutted the federal welfare system

And there's plenty more where that comes from.


Oh yeah, I can find similar criticism on Bernie on the WSWS. He's obviously a class traitor.
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When logger says "communist" he isn't talking about actual communists. He's talking about everyone who disagrees with him. It's just a label.

Remember, we're living in a post-factual world.
 
Brainster said:
Are you aware that in many locations there is a substantial fence separating the US from Mexico? Do you also oppose the fence?
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Well it really is annoying for those who live between the fence and the boarder. As it isn't built on the boarder and the feds didn't exactly buy all the land between it and the boarder.
 
uke2se said:
When logger says "communist" he isn't talking about actual communists. He's talking about everyone who disagrees with him. It's just a label.

Remember, we're living in a post-factual world.
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We have been living in a post-dictionary-definition world for quite a long time now. I am unsure of the start date but it certainly was no later than 2008 when B. Obama became a communist/fascist/atheist/Muslim/Satanist.
 
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