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Logical Arguments Against The Existence of Demons

Big J might lead the pantheon, but for a large fraction of Christianity, the day-to-day indoctrination is much less about God keeping you on the straight and narrow than about demons creeping beneath every rock and crevice to tug at the better angles of your nature.

If the subject is willing, education is the best cure for indoctrination. Ask around in the religion forum, I'm sure there's been some scholarly work done on the sociology of whatever myths in particular your demons belong to.
I'm an atheist. They are not my demons. I simply have an amount of sympathy for those unfortunate enough to have had such nonsense beaten into them from childhood.

It is programming/brainwashing/child abuse from the get go. What did they have by way of any choice in the matter? None. I do not allow such tolerance in the case of adult converts, they should know better. Children raised in such a toxic environment cannot, by definition, know better.

When someone so raised comes out from the veil of superstitious nonsense, I make not a single apology for cheering them on despite whatever boogie men still reside in their minds. The elimination of said remnant boogie men is and should be the goal.

When such superstitious nonsense is ingrained from birth, that is one hell of a mountain to climb. Nevertheless, many do make that journey and they should IMHO be encouraged to do so. In practice, many of such persons feel isolated for obvious reasons, and entirely unaware that they are following a well trodden path by many like themselves. Should we make them also feel isolated from atheism? Why? Where would that leave them?

As far as I am concerned, anyone recovering from religious crap is a matter of celebration and mutual support, not a target for mockery.

I think your posts might better be spent providing reassurance to the OP that these demons do not exist rather than quibbling with me about entities I don't believe in anyway.

Our OP here has one foot out the door, as it were. I simply seek to have him/her gently wipe the other foot of superstition on the doormat of rationality.
 
I'm an atheist. They are not my demons. I simply have an amount of sympathy for those unfortunate enough to have had such nonsense beaten into them from childhood.

It is programming/brainwashing/child abuse from the get go. What did they have by way of any choice in the matter? None. I do not allow such tolerance in the case of adult converts, they should know better. Children raised in such a toxic environment cannot, by definition, know better.

When someone so raised comes out from the veil of superstitious nonsense, I make not a single apology for cheering them on despite whatever boogie men still reside in their minds. The elimination of said remnant boogie men is and should be the goal.

When such superstitious nonsense is ingrained from birth, that is one hell of a mountain to climb. Nevertheless, many do make that journey and they should IMHO be encouraged to do so. In practice, many of such persons feel isolated for obvious reasons, and entirely unaware that they are following a well trodden path by many like themselves. Should we make them also feel isolated from atheism? Why? Where would that leave them?

As far as I am concerned, anyone recovering from religious crap is a matter of celebration and mutual support, not a target for mockery.

I think your posts might better be spent providing reassurance to the OP that these demons do not exist rather than quibbling with me about entities I don't believe in anyway.

Our OP here has one foot out the door, as it were. I simply seek to have him/her gently wipe the other foot of superstition on the doormat of rationality.
And it was the OP I was talking to with that. Sorry for any confusion.
 
This explanation makes lots of sense. It's strange that people like me can fall prey to believing that supernatural agencies govern our world.
 
Thanks for helping and being supportive Abbadon.

Here are more reasons I came up today about why demons don't exist:

1. Christian people believe that a magical invisible being made the world and some of them say god speaks to them. This explains it when Christian people say they hear demons talking...they are nuts.

2. Since I don't believe god is real, demons would have to be an immaterial consciousness and that doesn't sound possible.

3. All those people that get "scratched" by demons, if these immaterial conscious beings that can affect matter aggressively attack people why don't they just go around slaughtering people for sport? That has never happened ever. Unlike humans, who slaughter animals for sport.

4. People calling upon the name of Jesus and the demon flees....or they just feel safe and their flight/fight response turned off.

5. What the hell do demons eat. (Oh no, don't tell me, they eat your fear....) Fear is cortisol, adrenaline, and the flight or fight response. Christians tell me they feed off of fear. So they eat cortisol and adrenaline? LoL!


6. Most of the people that believe in demons apparently see demons everywhere. After reading most of their stories they talk about demons appearing left and right. They have cameras don't they? Why don't they record anything.

7. Demon paranoia comes from the middle ages when people got sick and they blamed it on demons. Also, people had epilepsy and a whole host of other psychological problems as well as sleep paralysis so that's why people believe in demons.

8. Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon wouldn't be afraid of demons, so why should I? Do you think a fish is afraid of demons? No. So I shouldn't be either.
 
Thanks for helping and being supportive Abbadon.

Here are more reasons I came up today about why demons don't exist:

1. Christian people believe that a magical invisible being made the world and some of them say god speaks to them. This explains it when Christian people say they hear demons talking...they are nuts.
In my opinion, this is hearing in tongues just like the whole "speaking in tongues" malarkey that some christian sects carry on with. None of those stop to ask whether the outpourings are an actual language at all.

2. Since I don't believe god is real, demons would have to be an immaterial consciousness and that doesn't sound possible.
There is no evidence for the existence of any discarnate consciousness of any kind.

3. All those people that get "scratched" by demons, if these immaterial conscious beings that can affect matter aggressively attack people why don't they just go around slaughtering people for sport? That has never happened ever. Unlike humans, who slaughter animals for sport.
I once severly scratched my own forehead in my sleep so badly that everyone in the office asked if I had been assaulted. I had to sheepishly respond that I did it to myself in my sleep. It would have been way cooler to blame it on a demon, but that would have been a lie. Oh, and how did I know it was myself? The blood under the fingernails was a bit of a giveaway.

4. People calling upon the name of Jesus and the demon flees....or they just feel safe and their flight/fight response turned off.
Kind of easy to claim a thing is no longer present which was not present in the first place, no?

5. What the hell do demons eat. (Oh no, don't tell me, they eat your fear....) Fear is cortisol, adrenaline, and the flight or fight response. Christians tell me they feed off of fear. So they eat cortisol and adrenaline? LoL!
Not going to work. That which is incorporeal obviously does not require material sustenance. However, demons living off fear is as realistic as unicorns being responsible for rainbows by means of their farts. It is the very same level of absurd claim.

To see this in action, consider the Church of Pastafarianism and the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly appendage) here. Total parody, yet eerily similar to actual religion.


6. Most of the people that believe in demons apparently see demons everywhere. After reading most of their stories they talk about demons appearing left and right. They have cameras don't they? Why don't they record anything.
If one posits undetectable entities, one is free to assign any action or attribute to them after all, they are undetectable, right? Thus, if I got up in the morning and my car wouldn't start, it is easy to blame a demon rather than mundane mechanical failure. Where this all breaks down is that the claim becomes that the believer actually can detect these undetectable entities somehow, so now the demon is simultaneously detectable and undetectable. This is, of course, merely the beginning of the rampant inconsistencies involved

7. Demon paranoia comes from the middle ages when people got sick and they blamed it on demons. Also, people had epilepsy and a whole host of other psychological problems as well as sleep paralysis so that's why people believe in demons.
This is the god of the gaps reasoning. For any given gap in knowledge, rather that seek a rational explanation, simply claim "godiddit" and enquire no further. Were we all to simply accept such a non-explanation at face value, we would still be in the middle ages, so it is just as well we don't. The "god of the gaps" argument still exists but given the advance of science over the centuries, the "god of the gaps" is becoming constrained to ever fewer and smaller gaps.

8. Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon wouldn't be afraid of demons, so why should I? Do you think a fish is afraid of demons? No. So I shouldn't be either.
Interesting one. There is at least some evidence that both had some form of belief system. Those are so far removed in ancient history that it is difficult to have any certainty about what they might have believed. Neanderthals appear to have buried their dead with at least some kind of ritual. What that ritual precisely was or what they considered it to signify is anyone's guess and we are unlikely to ever find out barring an unlikely archaeological find.
 
Is this thread a trick to make me less wary of demons?

'Cause it ain't workin'!
 
Is this thread a trick to make me less wary of demons?

'Cause it ain't workin'!

Do you need logical reasoning against demons too?


And great thanks to Abbadon, you are a big factor in my recovery and reducing my anxiety.

Changes I've noticed in the last day since I started believing less and less in demons:

1. Happier.

2. Life is becoming 7x more enjoyable.

3. I can start to focus on building my business and getting a 4.0 GPA now.

4. I can socialize normally without thinking of paranoid thoughts.

5. It's like 20 pounds have been lifted off my shoulders.


Even more reasons why demons don't exist that I thought of:

1. Hell doesn't exist.

2. Some Catholics and Christians nowadays are even opting out on believing in supernatural demons.

3. Even a bipedal ape-man (big foot) is more likely to exist than a incorporeal conscious immaterial being without a brain, that doesn't eat food, and causes suffering for pleasure (of course pleasure requires neuro-chemicals so there would be no reason for a demon to cause suffering since it has zero neuro-chemicals. According to sciencedaily.com neuroscientists have now found parts of the brain that are responsible for hate. How can demons hate humanity without a brain?

4. Why do demons appear at night and not during the day? ("rarely") It seems that night time is just the time that people are more paranoid.

5. People are paranoid about demons appearing at 3:00 at night yet the other side of the world has a different time zone. Why the hell would demons keep track of time? To mock the trinity? Well Christianity is almost certainly false so the trinity isn't the reason why people say spooky **** happens at 3:00, it's probably the time when people wake up due to an evolutionary mechanism of keeping the fire going in the middle of the night to stay warm and safe from predators.

6.How can people feel demons touch them yet they aren't made of matter?

7. Why the hell is there no real and compelling evidence other than anecdotal evidence?
 
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Don't think about it too much, mangoxguava. You've got enough reason there (way too many, actually). Turn your attention to positive and worthwhile stuff, and give up thinking of reasons to not believe in X,Y or Z. It becomes useful to just treat anything without evidence as bollocks until or unless proven otherwise.
 
Nope.

Also angels and specific guardian angels, auras for diagnostic medicine and spiritual guidance, various divination methods to guide your life in a positive way, bogus medical cures of dubious provenance and so forth. All of them are "positive". If you think otherwise, you have been sheltered.

Nope. Why do you think this?


And confirmation bias, Texas Sharpshooter etc. But your claim that such things are universally negative is ill informed.

Well, i didn't say 'universally'--and i was referring to experiences with so-called spirits and the like, I wasn't to the paranormal in general. You do have a point about the guardian angel thing though...although usually from what I've seen the guardian angel stories don't actually involve a 'physical' presence. I stand by the claim that stories involving spiritual entities usually have a negative aspect.
 
Consider this.... The story that made it into scripture about the "war in Heaven", where the rebel angel Lucifer was condemned to "rule in Hell".... Was pretty obviously just a cute story about the dangers of a big Christian bug-bear.."Pride".

Pride is constantly shown as the route to even more dreadful sins. "Pride goeth before a fall." And Lucifer is the epitome of this idea.

Note also that Christians conflated the original, Old Testament figure of the "Tempter" (who was just a minion of God) with Lucifer, who thus became "Satan"...The enemy of God and man both and his fallen angels "demons".
(aligning with pagan ideas of "evil spirits"....And "Satan" identified very closely with certain pagan god-figures like Pan.)

So, we have a number of things all in one package. A place of punishment for those who are naughty, a "bad-guy" figure to pose as bogeyman to frighten the rubes, and a host of his underlings to be responsible for all sorts of things that went bad in people's lives.
Genius, really....
 
Consider this.... The story that made it into scripture about the "war in Heaven", where the rebel angel Lucifer was condemned to "rule in Hell".... Was pretty obviously just a cute story about the dangers of a big Christian bug-bear.."Pride".

Isn't that mostly Milton? There's Lucifer in Isaiah, that's about pride, and also the big war in Revelation, but I was thinking that Milton pulled together the whole idea of Lucifer fighting a war, losing, and ruling in hell.

So, we have a number of things all in one package. A place of punishment for those who are naughty, a "bad-guy" figure to pose as bogeyman to frighten the rubes, and a host of his underlings to be responsible for all sorts of things that went bad in people's lives.
Genius, really....

And if I'm correct, all wrapped up into a story in the 1600s that could become sort of quasi canon. Anyone able to confirm or deny what I'm remembering about Milton?
 
Do you need logical reasoning against demons too?


And great thanks to Abbadon, you are a big factor in my recovery and reducing my anxiety.

Changes I've noticed in the last day since I started believing less and less in demons:

1. Happier.

2. Life is becoming 7x more enjoyable.

3. I can start to focus on building my business and getting a 4.0 GPA now.

4. I can socialize normally without thinking of paranoid thoughts.

5. It's like 20 pounds have been lifted off my shoulders.


Even more reasons why demons don't exist that I thought of:

1. Hell doesn't exist.

2. Some Catholics and Christians nowadays are even opting out on believing in supernatural demons.

3. Even a bipedal ape-man (big foot) is more likely to exist than a incorporeal conscious immaterial being without a brain, that doesn't eat food, and causes suffering for pleasure (of course pleasure requires neuro-chemicals so there would be no reason for a demon to cause suffering since it has zero neuro-chemicals. According to sciencedaily.com neuroscientists have now found parts of the brain that are responsible for hate. How can demons hate humanity without a brain?

4. Why do demons appear at night and not during the day? ("rarely") It seems that night time is just the time that people are more paranoid.

5. People are paranoid about demons appearing at 3:00 at night yet the other side of the world has a different time zone. Why the hell would demons keep track of time? To mock the trinity? Well Christianity is almost certainly false so the trinity isn't the reason why people say spooky **** happens at 3:00, it's probably the time when people wake up due to an evolutionary mechanism of keeping the fire going in the middle of the night to stay warm and safe from predators.

6.How can people feel demons touch them yet they aren't made of matter?

7. Why the hell is there no real and compelling evidence other than anecdotal evidence?

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Do you suffer from a phobia of demonic forces? Well I did, too, but then I found "Demon-Be-Gone," and I never looked back! Proven to make your life 7x happier. Try it today!

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Safe from what? How many times has a 'demon' attacked you thus far?

Do you require similar arguments against vampires, werewolves, trolls, and ghosts? Why or why not?

RayG

Nah, he's safe from Vamps, you have to invite them in for them to be a problem, Werewolves are limited to the full moon, trolls are mainly only active online and ghosts are too busy rattling their chains.

Do you get it from that web page that offers two for one if you just pay double shipping? I hear it is run by demons!

Like a serious case of Jekyll and Hyde, you get two for the price of one!
 

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