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Trump could win presidency: Yes or No?

Nov 4 place your bets

  • Trump will win, 100%

    Votes: 42 16.9%

  • Hilary will win, 100%

    Votes: 82 32.9%

  • Trump will win, but I'm worried Hil might triumph

    Votes: 9 3.6%

  • Hilary will win, but I'm scared the chances.

    Votes: 116 46.6%
  • Total voters
    249
The Atheist said:
Well, if he were any sort of successful businessman, they would.

They don't because he isn't.
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I heard an ad on satellite radio yesterday for some right wing station, and it was a clip of a guy ranting about how he is tired of the same families winning all the time, and he finishes with, "...maybe it is time to let a businessman be president?"

1) Yeah, right. If this was Jeb Bush vs Bernie Sanders, does anyone think he would be supporting Sanders? Not fooling anyone, and
2) OK, it's time to let a businessman be president. Can't we at least get a GOOD businessman to do it? Try to get Warren Buffet, maybe? If it is going to be a businessman, why would you choose Donald Trump?

Actually, I don't think this IS actually "a businessman" being president. Trump being president would be a case of "a reality TV star" being president. Hey, maybe it's time to let a reality TV star be president? It must be Trump, because Simon Cowell is not a natural born citizen...
 
pgwenthold said:
I heard an ad on satellite radio yesterday for some right wing station, and it was a clip of a guy ranting about how he is tired of the same families winning all the time, and he finishes with, "...maybe it is time to let a businessman be president?"
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Isn't it presently all of once that the same family has won the presidency twice?
 
The Atheist said:
Well, if he were any sort of successful businessman, they would.

They don't because he isn't.
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Exactly.

I was also thinking of this from a leadership point of view. Most CEOs see their role as leaders. I talk to a lot of them and they seem obsessed with management self help books and leadership structure and generally trying to be the best leader possible. I'm no expert, but the best ones seem to be those who can inspire their people to push their own boundaries while the other end of the spectrum seem to rely on fear and threats to get things done.

Trump reminds me more of the person who uses threats and fear to get what they want.
 
pgwenthold said:
Hey, maybe it's time to let a reality TV star be president?
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I would rescind the Natural Born Citizen clause if we could have Mary Berry as president.

In return, the UK can have its pick of the Kardashians. Hell, take two. Please.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Thanks, how'd I miss that? Still, unless you're 240 it's kind of hard to cite them as something you're tired of.
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And neither of JQ Adams's brothers ran for President. Thomas was a rep in the Mass assembly, but it seems his family was not proud (his father "disowned" him according to Wikipedia).

Charles died from alcohol at the age of 30, so was never eligible to run for president.
 
pgwenthold said:
2) OK, it's time to let a businessman be president. Can't we at least get a GOOD businessman to do it? Try to get Warren Buffet, maybe? If it is going to be a businessman, why would you choose Donald Trump?
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Because he's the one who got nominated.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Because he's the one who got nominated.
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Wrong.

A good businessman has no incentive, and lots of disincentives in getting into politics. Those who are usually well past their prime, aka Michael Bloomberg. Barring The Apprentice, 95% of USA wouldn't know Don Trump from a hole in the ground.

The whole idea that Trump is a businessman, or that business has anything to do with his political success is completely flawed.

He's a TV star, not a businessman.

Jesus, you do realise Reagan was president and that these guys were elected to public office? Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood. Being on TV/film is a hell of a lot better indicator of popularity than any kind of success.
 
pgwenthold said:
But if you want to nominate a businessman, why Trump? He isn't anywhere in the top list of options you would want, is he?
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We don't draft them, though, they need to volunteer. Trump volunteered, thus became one of the options from which we could chose.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
We don't draft them, though, they need to volunteer. Trump volunteered, thus became one of the options from which we could chose.
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Precisely.

This is something I keep pointing out to people: You only have 4 choices on your ballot. If you want to vote for a businessman, your choice is Trump.

Now, I think that's a dumb way to pick a president, but what do I know? A lot of people think I'm crazy because I'm voting for Jill Stein. :D
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Precisely.

This is something I keep pointing out to people: You only have 4 choices on your ballot. If you want to vote for a businessman, your choice is Trump.

Now, I think that's a dumb way to pick a president, but what do I know? A lot of people think I'm crazy because I'm voting for Jill Stein. :D
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And if you only had the choice of Trump or Hillary who would you vote for? Or would you not vote?

Do you not consider your vote for Jill Stein as helping or hurting either Trump or Hillary?

One key reason I would vote for Trump (if I could) is because he is not afraid to say that there are problems that need a fix, and that it will not be business (Hillary monkey-business?) as usual.

How many businessmen are supporting Trump - thinking their business will get favorable treatment?

Would I vote for Lloyd Blankfein? No. Here is a businessman who sells financial instruments and takes out insurance because he knows they are so bad. His company was responsible for the financial mess Greece is in.

Warren Buffett? All he knows is investing for the long-term. He will get nothing done.

Michael Bloomberg? I wonder why he does not run. Too cozy to Wall Street? He is the ultimate elite as the worlds 8th richest man.

Any other possible businessmen (or businesswomen)?
 
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