Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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I gave you a straight answer to your questions about the expert/s who back Stefanoni and the 'Mez'-name issue.

You seem unable to accept that your questions have been answered.

Let it lie, Bill.

You wish. Avoidance is the game,it remains obscene your use of a familiar term, and your excuse is that you say you're doing what others do - when you're the only one.

You gave Novelli as your answer to the other avoidance on your part - Nencini quoted Novelli as confirmation that Stefanoni did not follow protocol......

...... and now your claim is that you've provided one FORENSIC-DNA expert who supports Stefanoni.

Now you want off the hook. Apparently you believe you have a right to be wrong and to be left alone because of that entitlement.

I wish you'd take Andrea Vogt's advice. At least she demonstrates concrete concern for the Kerchers in calling out Mr. Belcastro.
 
It was, too. '@FreeRudyGuede' tweeted me a police picture of one of the phones (Sony and/or Ericsson) showing highlighted presumed blood.

Are you saying the police picture is a fake?

So "someone" at FreeRudyGuede (now, that's a credible source) tweeted you a picture that you and/or they claim is a police picture of Meredith's phone with "presumed blood" and we're supposed to just accept that? Show me a technical report from the police lab showing the phones were tested and the results.

I presented the list of samples/items taken by police for testing from the document released from the Ministry of the Interior,Forensic Genetics Investigation Department and it clearly states the phones were "not analyzed". Are you saying the document is a fake?
 
I gave you a straight answer to your questions about the expert/s who back Stefanoni and the 'Mez'-name issue.

You seem unable to accept that your questions have been answered.

Let it lie, Bill.

No, you haven't. Some time ago, I mentioned another PGP that you remind me of. She also refuses to answer questions she wants to avoid, and when pressed, resorts to claiming she did answer them. When asked to cut and paste those answers to settle the matter, she says she doesn't have to and others saw them. When other members are asked to confirm they say them, not one does.
 
More than Two major flaws in your claims:

On the gloves thing: have you ever tried to wipe your a... wearing gloves (It's save to say that that action took place before Guede attacked and killed Meredith Kercher).

If you want to play a word game here, I think that leaving one's DNA inside another one's genitals without their consent could be called "rape", even if the legal terms and definitions are different.

Let's assume just for a minute that Guede was really concerned about protection on his imagined date (a story you seem to believe given your comments), Meredith Kercher's "friends" reported that she was quite upset about the contents of a transparent bag her roommate had in the shared bathroom... That alone should have sunk Guede's "date" story...

Again, no "couple of knives", just one, discarded and never searched for...

You might want to explain, why the not involvement of a "lightweight glass-breaking hammer" is important?


If you'd taken a closer look at the court records you'd know the reason for the highlighted part: The inside of the bag was never tested for DNA...

Is the source for the "outline in blood" of "One of the phones" also the one for the "the body was staged to resemble the picture in the manga" theory?
As you know, unlike the kids, Rudy's story has remained pretty consistent (if obviously painting himself in a good light). I give Rudy a 5% chance that it may have happened as he said, re the sex, given how persistent Italian men are (and Rudy is largely culturally Italian) they think a lady just needs persuading.
Guede's story might be consistent when it comes to the "date", but that story isn't credible for a number of reasons. One being the fact that if he really stopped because he had no condom, Meredith Kercher would have known where to find one. Another being the fact that in the Halloween party pictures recently published on TMoMK there's not one picture showing them together (it looks like Guede never was at the "Domus" that night...

His strory isn't consistent, when it comes to the alleged murderer(s) he claimed to have fought against. First he couldn't identify them (but "Amanda wasn't there") then he fought someone wearing a jacket like the one Sollecito had, then he's sure that the guy he fought against was Sollecito and he identified Knox by her silhouette looking through Filomena's window (with closed shutters, if we wan't to believe the "staged break in" theory), then in 2011, in that letter he wasn't even able to read in court (PM Mignini had to do it for him (Calunnia ick hör dir trapsen...)) he finally accused Knox and Sollecito of the murder of Meredith Kercher, and now he's 101% sure that "Amanda was there" but can't make a statement regarding Sollecito... Quite consistent... Not.
Considering the PIP theory is that Rudy was a sole burglar who was interrupted by Mez, whereupon he savagely raped and killed her, it is surprising there is none of his semen to be found.
We know the reason for that, the prosecution and by the way a certain Francesco Maresca fought tooth and nail against a certain stain being tested...

I don't know if forensics are able to tell if a woman is raped by someone wearing a condom, but the act of putting on a condom, doesn't indicate an aggressive rapist who could not care less if he gives his victim an STI or HIV.
Sorry but this really doesn't make sense, please explain...

Rudy did not have a criminal record so we cannot assume he was worried about being identified, although he may have been aware his DNA was on his migrant-status data base.
Actually the forensic police took the reference sample for Guede from a toothbrush found in his apartment, do you have any references to this migrant's DNA database?
On the highlighted part: I think that Guede was indeed "worried about being identified", that's why he killed Meredith Kercher who recognized her attacker as the guy she met a few days earlier at the downstairs apartment...

Even then it doesn't sound like someone overcome by a violent urge to rape.
What ever overcame him, you'll have to ask him for an answer to that.

The stain on the pillow is not necessarily semen at all, from its flourescent quality, it is almost certainly vaseline.
Whatever the stain on the pillow is, there are ways to find out what it is, but I guess by the time it was "found", the persecution was already in full "Rudy protection mode". The story was already ugly enough but imagine that stain would have turned out to be Guede's semen.
There are a few scenarios one uglier than the other but all of them would have had one consequence: "Ergastolo".
 
I am pretty sure luminol highlighted blood on the sony one (iirc). So, it's reasonable to infer it fell on the floor into the blood in the tussle.

Remember, Stacy, there was no blood in the bag.
The problem is that "I am pretty sure" and "iirc" are just lame excuses for not backing up your claims with reliable sources i.e. court records (the Daily Fail, or even "early articles in The Times" or the made up things in "Darkness Descending" or "Death in Perugia/Italy" are not sources...
It was, too. '@FreeRudyGuede' tweeted me a police picture of one of the phones (Sony and/or Ericsson) showing highlighted presumed blood.

Are you saying the police picture is a fake?
Link to the tweet please @FRG is toying around with Photoshop a little too much that I'd take anything this person tweets for a "police picture"...

AIUI the phones were laboratory analysed and the inside of the bag tested (otherwise, how could the finding be there was no Rudy DNA nor any blood).
"AIUI" is another lame excuse (see above).

On the highlighted part: You know what they say about the Fae, they cannot lie, but have found ways around that...
It's the same for the Perugia Prosecution and Rudy Guede: not testing the inside of Meredith Kercher's handbag becomes "Rudy's DNA wasn't found inside the bag" and a lamp not even tested for fingerprints becomes "wiped clean of fingerprints" and so on... :(
 
AIUI the phones were laboratory analysed and the inside of the bag tested (otherwise, how could the finding be there was no Rudy DNA nor any blood).


This is one of the more spectacular deductive fails we've seen from the pro-guilt community. And there's been some pretty stiff opposition for that particular "honour"......
 
This is one of the more spectacular deductive fails we've seen from the pro-guilt community. And there's been some pretty stiff opposition for that particular "honour"......

Earthquake near Perugia 40 minutes ago, 6.2 on the Richter Scale.

Vixen strongly suspects Amanda Knox. Can Knox prove she wasn't involved, and can Vixen cite one peer-reviewed vulcanologist/seismologist which would support this?

http://earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2016-08-24-01-36-33-utc-6-2-10
 
Here are excerpts from the ECHR Guidance: Right to a Fair Trial (criminal limb) that are relevant to Amanda's case alleging that Italy violated her Convention rights by convicting her of calunnia against Lumumba. This material has been previously presented here, sometimes with more extensive excerpts from the case-law.

3. Right to remain silent and not to incriminate oneself

a. Affirmation and sphere of application

119. Anyone accused of a criminal offence has the right to remain silent and not to contribute to incriminating himself (Funke v. France, § 44; O'Halloran and Francis v. the United Kingdom [GC], § 45; Saunders v. the United Kingdom, § 60). Although not specifically mentioned in Article 6, the right to remain silent and the privilege against self-incrimination are generally recognised international standards which lie at the heart of the notion of a fair procedure under Article 6. By providing the accused with protection against improper compulsion by the authorities these immunities contribute to avoiding miscarriages of justice and to securing the aims of Article 6 (John Murray v. the United Kingdom, § 45).

120. The right not to incriminate oneself applies to criminal proceedings in respect of all types of criminal offences, from the most simple to the most complex (Saunders v. the United Kingdom, § 74).

121. The right to remain silent applies from the point at which the suspect is questioned by the police (John Murray v. the United Kingdom, § 45). {The ECHR defines who is a "suspect" based upon the actual situation, not merely by any legal formality.}

b. Scope

122. The right not to incriminate oneself presupposes that the prosecution in a criminal case seek to prove their case against the accused without recourse to evidence obtained through methods of coercion or oppression in defiance of the will of the accused (Saunders v. the United Kingdom, § 68; Bykov v. Russia [GC], § 92).

123. However, the privilege against self-incrimination does not extend to the use in criminal proceedings of material which may be obtained from the accused through recourse to compulsory powers but which has an existence independent of the will of the suspect, such as documents acquired pursuant to a warrant, breath, blood and urine samples, and bodily tissue for the purpose of DNA testing (Saunders v. the United Kingdom, § 69; O'Halloran and Francis v. the United Kingdom [GC], § 47).

124. Early access to a lawyer is part of the procedural safeguards to which the Court will have particular regard when examining whether a procedure has extinguished the very essence of the privilege against self-incrimination. In order for the right to a fair trial under Article 6 § 1 to remain sufficiently “practical and effective”, access to a lawyer should, as a rule, be provided from the first time a suspect is questioned by the police, unless it is demonstrated in the light of the particular circumstances of each case that there are compelling reasons to restrict this right (Salduz v. Turkey [GC], §§ 54-55).

125. Persons in police custody enjoy both the right not to incriminate themselves and to remain silent and the right to be assisted by a lawyer whenever they are questioned. These rights are quite distinct: a waiver of one of them does not entail a waiver of the other. Nevertheless, these rights are complementary, since persons in police custody must a fortiori be granted the assistance of a lawyer when they have not previously been informed by the authorities of their right to remain silent (Brusco v. France, § 54; Navone and Others v. Monaco, § 74). The importance of informing a suspect
of the right to remain silent is such that, even where a person willingly agrees to give statements to the police after being informed that his words may be used in evidence against him, this cannot be regarded as a fully informed choice if he has not been expressly notified of his right to remain silent and if his decision has been taken without the assistance of counsel (ibid.; Stojkovic v. France and Belgium, § 54).

126. The right to remain silent and the privilege against self-incrimination serve in principle to protect the freedom of a suspect to choose whether to speak or to remain silent when questioned by the police. Such freedom of choice is effectively undermined in a case in which the suspect has elected to remain silent during questioning and the authorities use subterfuge to elicit confessions or other statements of an incriminatory nature from the suspect which they were unable to obtain during such questioning (in this particular case, a confession made to a police informer sharing the applicant’s cell), and where the confessions or statements thereby obtained are adduced in evidence
at trial (Allan v. the United Kingdom, § 50).

c. A relative right

128. The right to remain silent is not absolute (John Murray v. the United Kingdom, § 47).

129. In examining whether a procedure has extinguished the very essence of the privilege against self-incrimination, the Court will have regard, in particular, to the following elements:

- the nature and degree of compulsion
- the existence of any relevant safeguards in the procedure;
- the use to which any material so obtained is put (Jalloh v. Germany [GC], § 101; O'Halloran and Francis v. the United Kingdom [GC], § 55; Bykov v. Russia [GC], § 104).

132. Furthermore, the weight of the public interest in the investigation and punishment of the particular offence in issue may be taken into consideration and weighed against the individual’s interest in having the evidence against him gathered lawfully. However, public-interest concerns cannot justify measures which extinguish the very essence of an applicant’s defence rights, including the privilege against self-incrimination (Jalloh v. Germany [GC], § 97). The public interest cannot be relied on to justify the use of answers compulsorily obtained in a non-judicial investigation to incriminate the accused during the trial proceedings (Heaney and McGuinness v. Ireland, § 57).

135. In determining whether the proceedings as a whole were fair, regard must also be had to whether the rights of the defence have been respected. In particular, it must be examined whether the applicant was given an opportunity to challenge the authenticity of the evidence and to oppose its use. In addition, the quality of the evidence must be taken into consideration, as must the circumstances in which it was obtained and whether these circumstances cast doubt on its reliability or accuracy. While no problem of fairness necessarily arises where the evidence obtained was unsupported by other material, it may be noted that where the evidence is very strong and there is
no risk of its being unreliable, the need for supporting evidence is correspondingly weaker (Bykov v. Russia [GC], § 89; Jalloh v. Germany [GC], § 96). In this connection, the Court also attaches weight to whether the evidence in question was or was not decisive for the outcome of the criminal proceedings (Gäfgen v. Germany [GC]).

136. As to the examination of the nature of the Convention violation found, the question whether the use as evidence of information obtained in violation of Article 8 rendered a trial as a whole unfair contrary to Article 6 has to be determined with regard to all the circumstances of the case, and in particular to the question of respect for the applicant’s defence rights and the quality and importance of the evidence in question (ibid., § 165).

137. However, particular considerations apply in respect of the use in criminal proceedings of evidence obtained in breach of Article 3. The use of such evidence, secured as a result of a violation of one of the core and absolute rights guaranteed by the Convention, always raises serious issues as to the fairness of the proceedings, even if the admission of such evidence was not decisive in securing a conviction (Jalloh v. Germany [GC], §§ 99 and 105; Harutyunyan v. Armenia, § 63).

138. Therefore, the use in criminal proceedings of statements obtained as a result of a violation of Article 3 – irrespective of the classification of the treatment as torture, inhuman or degrading treatment – renders the proceedings as a whole automatically unfair, in breach of Article 6 (El Haski v. Belgium; Gäfgen v. Germany [GC], § 166). This also holds true for the use of real evidence obtained as a direct result of acts of torture (ibid., § 167; Jalloh v. Germany [GC], § 105). The admission of such evidence obtained as a result of an act classified as inhuman treatment in breach of Article 3, but falling short of torture, will only breach Article 6, however, if it has been shown that
the breach of Article 3 had a bearing on the outcome of the proceedings against the defendant, that
is, had an impact on his or her conviction or sentence (El Haski v. Belgium, § 85; Gäfgen v. Germany [GC], § 178).

139. These principles apply not only where the victim of the treatment contrary to Article 3 is the actual defendant but also where third parties are concerned (El Haski v. Belgium, § 85). In particular, the Court has found that the use in a trial of evidence obtained by torture would amount to a flagrant denial of justice even where the person from whom the evidence had thus been extracted was a third party (Othman (Abu Qatada) v. the United Kingdom, §§ 263 and 267).
 
Earthquake near Perugia 40 minutes ago, 6.2 on the Richter Scale.

Vixen strongly suspects Amanda Knox. Can Knox prove she wasn't involved, and can Vixen cite one peer-reviewed vulcanologist/seismologist which would support this?

http://earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2016-08-24-01-36-33-utc-6-2-10

There may be no scientific evidence that Amanda Knox caused the earthquake, but that just proves she cleaned it all up. Because she's that evil! A regular Pol Pot, that Amanda Knox. Manipulating people she doesn't know into a pagan sex orgy to kill her roommate for... well, why did she do that again? No matter, who needs a motive. Now causing earthquakes with her witchcraft powers. Why does she never leave evidence?? I mean, we know she did it. People who are this good at committing crimes and never leaving evidence must be locked up forever. Peter Quennell, Ergon, and Vixen do not feel safe. They're not super crazy, btw. Just concerned citizens.
 
Earthquake near Perugia 40 minutes ago, 6.2 on the Richter Scale.

Vixen strongly suspects Amanda Knox. Can Knox prove she wasn't involved, and can Vixen cite one peer-reviewed vulcanologist/seismologist which would support this?

http://earthquaketrack.com/quakes/2016-08-24-01-36-33-utc-6-2-10


Logical fallacy #umpty-nine: flippancy.


Amanda and Raff were found guilty and the verdict upheld on appeal at a trial which was fair and impartial, after all the evidence from all of the parties was presented to the court, in front of it.

No amount of trying to 'laugh it off' can change the facts found were strongly in support of guilty, as charged.

We even have it from Raff and Amanda's own lips. Raff refused to testify and in England & Wales criminal law we are entitled to draw a negative inference from this.
 
There may be no scientific evidence that Amanda Knox caused the earthquake, but that just proves she cleaned it all up. Because she's that evil! A regular Pol Pot, that Amanda Knox. Manipulating people she doesn't know into a pagan sex orgy to kill her roommate for... well, why did she do that again? No matter, who needs a motive. Now causing earthquakes with her witchcraft powers. Why does she never leave evidence?? I mean, we know she did it. People who are this good at committing crimes and never leaving evidence must be locked up forever. Peter Quennell, Ergon, and Vixen do not feel safe. They're not super crazy, btw. Just concerned citizens.

What kind of a nut wants to see obviously psychopathically damaged, anti-social individuals who take murder and rape lightly, walk the streets scot free, smirking at tv cameras and demanding €500K compo, after having led the police on a merry dance?
 
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Well the simple answer is that Guede had blood on one hand, the hand that held the (outside) of the bag, the hand he put in was not bloody. Loved that for you.

The second solution is that they did not test the inside of the bag. Can you find a report saying the inside of the bag was tested? Remember the telephones were never swabbed for DNA, the shower was never tested for DNA, many things that should have been tested were never tested.

The forensic team appear to have concentrated on swabbing obvious patches of blood / grease. They swabbed the blood stain on the outside of the bag, to highlight Rudy's DNA with Mez'. They also swabbed elsewhere and found only Mez' DNA. The inside was clear of any blood.

All the police need is enough DNA to establish a case.

Raff's car was swabbed in fifteen places. How likely is one's own car going to completely free of any of your own DNA?

Amanda took a plastic bag to the cottage to collect dirty clothes, as stated by both the kids to the cops. Whatever happened to this bag?

So the pair had a strange kind of cleaning spree - burst pipes, warm washing machines - note how Amanda is careful to detail how Mez put some clothes into the laundry basket - mops carried to and fro from Raff's and the cottage, queuing up outside the local store 7:45 am to browse cleaning materials, three showers in 36 hours, yet Amanda looked like she had been dragged through a hedge backwards, both appeared with scratches on their chin and neck, Amanda set to work mopping Raff's floor whilst he pottered around making breakfast.

Innocent? <fx Brummie accent: yes, mate!>
 
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What kind of a nut wants to see obviously psychopathically damaged, anti-social individuals who take murder and rape lightly, walk the streets scot free, smirking at tv cameras and demanding €500K compo, after having led the police on a merry dance?

I know!!! What's worse is that they leave absolutely no evidence of themselves behind when they commit these atrocious acts!! How can they be so cold and calculating? When I said Amanda was like Pol Pot earlier I misspoke -- she is kind of like Big Foot too. Clearly exists, but also always one step ahead of everyone else because they never leave any evidence. But she's also still super evil like Pol Pot. But more demon-like and sex-crazed. So kinda like a slutty Big Foot Pol Pot Hitler. And now she's causing earthquake too?? When will the authorities stop her is what I want to know.

Can you send Peter Quennell a message to post a headline on TJMK? Something like "AMANDA KNOX CAUSES 6.2 MAGNITUDE EARTHQUAKE. AUTHORITIES INVESTIGATING. MIGNINI TO FILE SLANDER CHARGES. AMANDA KNOX SHAKING IN HER BOOTS" -- by TJMK main posters.

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My favorite part of this thread is you can post satire of Vixen's thought processes and she follows it up by basically agreeing with you and doesn't even blink.
 
Still perplexed why Stefanoni refuses to show her work--i.e., the EDFs. Wonder if it is somehow caught up in Comodi's "we, the prosecution, determine what information the defense needs to see"?

Seems like the release of the EDFs could prove Stefanoni's case. Or, not . . .
 
Logical fallacy #umpty-nine: flippancy.
It is mind-numbingly boring that you simply chuck in the term "logical fallacy" with no sense as to what it means.


Amanda and Raff were found guilty and the verdict upheld on appeal at a trial which was fair and impartial, after all the evidence from all of the parties was presented to the court, in front of it.

No amount of trying to 'laugh it off' can change the facts found were strongly in support of guilty, as charged.
They were acquitted. March 27, 2015.

We even have it from Raff and Amanda's own lips. Raff refused to testify and in England & Wales criminal law we are entitled to draw a negative inference from this.

There are instances where inferences can be drawn in England and Wales from an accused's silence. One of them is that if they are found standing over a body with a gun, their silence cannot cancel out that as a fact.

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, s. 38., says that no conviction can be brought "wholly on silence." Indeed, if one does even the most brief survey of the Right to Silence in E&Ws, one finds that you have no clue what you're talking about. Even in E&W it is not the erosion of rights you would claim.

And this is before considering the bleedingly obvious. Perugia was neither in England nor Wales.

Once again, you'll say anything to deny the obvious, of a case which has been closed now for 17 months, with the exoneration of the two.
 
We even have it from Raff and Amanda's own lips. Raff refused to testify and in England & Wales criminal law we are entitled to draw a negative inference from this.

Don't you mean we DON'T have it from Raff's own lips? You are the only person in all of creation who can turn something not said, into something implied.

From the ECourtHR:
The concept of right to silence is not specifically mentioned in the European Convention on Human Rights but the European Court of Human Rights has held that

the right to remain silent under police questioning and the privilege against self-incrimination are generally recognized international

standards which lie at the heart of the notion of a fair procedure under Article 6.​
You are in way, way, way too much of a hurry to deny people their rights, and then claim the entitlement to know why they exercised that right.

You do know Giuliano Mignini was censured by his peers for denying Raffaele his rights at interrogation?
 
It is mind-numbingly boring that you simply chuck in the term "logical fallacy" with no sense as to what it means.



They were acquitted. March 27, 2015.



There are instances where inferences can be drawn in England and Wales from an accused's silence. One of them is that if they are found standing over a body with a gun, their silence cannot cancel out that as a fact.

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, s. 38., says that no conviction can be brought "wholly on silence." Indeed, if one does even the most brief survey of the Right to Silence in E&Ws, one finds that you have no clue what you're talking about. Even in E&W it is not the erosion of rights you would claim.

And this is before considering the bleedingly obvious. Perugia was neither in England nor Wales.

Once again, you'll say anything to deny the obvious, of a case which has been closed now for 17 months, with the exoneration of the two.

From wiki:

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 provides statutory rules under which adverse inferences may be drawn from silence.

Adverse inferences may be drawn in certain circumstances where before or on being charged, the accused:

fails to mention any fact which he later relies upon and which in the circumstances at the time the accused could reasonably be expected to mention;
fails to give evidence at trial or answer any question;
fails to account on arrest for objects, substances or marks on his person, clothing or footwear, in his possession, or in the place where he is arrested; or
fails to account on arrest for his presence at a place.
Where inferences may be drawn from silence, the court must direct the jury as to the limits to the inferences which may properly be drawn from silence. There may be no conviction based wholly on silence.[6] Further it is questionable whether a conviction based mainly on silence would be compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights. If there has been a breach of the PACE Codes of Practice, the evidence is more likely to be excluded under s. 78 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. The Code envisages, amongst other things, recorded police interviews taking place at a police station, where the accused has access to legal advice and after the caution in the following terms has been given:

You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.


Whilst of course it cannot be a basis for conviction on its own for refusing to testify, we can see Raff refused to testify because the defence didn't want Amanda to be cross-examined on his statement to the police, i.e., that she went out at 20:45 and did not return until 01:00.

He would also have been cross-examined on his false claim he was surfing the net until 03:00 and that he spoke with Papa Raff 23:00.

An innocent person would be eager to give testimony as to their innocence.

We can infer what we will from Raff's refusal to take the witness box.
 
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Don't you mean we DON'T have it from Raff's own lips? You are the only person in all of creation who can turn something not said, into something implied.

From the ECourtHR:
You are in way, way, way too much of a hurry to deny people their rights, and then claim the entitlement to know why they exercised that right.

You do know Giuliano Mignini was censured by his peers for denying Raffaele his rights at interrogation?


We do have it from Raff's own lips. We just don't have it at the trial itself.

Sure it's his right to keep schtum. It's our right to draw a negative inference, if all the evidence presented in court points to clear guilt.


Gary Dobson in the Stephen Lawrence case, spoke not a word to the police and resolutely maintained his silence. I believe Timothy McVeigh of the Oklahoma bombing did the same. He was still executed.

Years later, Dobson is now convicted, and we can take his silence to mean he did not want to incriminate himself, as is his right, but he didn't have the right to kill OTOH. Why do you want to deny the right of a murder victim to have carried on living? The killers are invariably low life scum.
 
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