Erdogan's purge in Turkey

McHrozni said:
While you're having fun, people die because of this. Only yesterday a suicide bomber - a kid, according to authorities - killed 51 people at a Kurdish wedding, and you think this is a laughing matter?

Sickening.

McHrozni
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About 12 apparently
 
Sideroxylon said:
You might have meant to claim freedom of speech. Even those in durka-durka lands think what they like.
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No, I mean thought.

Article 18, Universal declaration of Human rights

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
No, I mean thought.

Article 18, Universal declaration of Human rights

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

McHrozni
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Yet a page ago you were endorsing Kemalist suppressions of freedom of religious expression.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yet a page ago you were endorsing Kemalist suppressions of freedom of religious expression.
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Yes, and?

Article 30

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

I think Edrogan made an excellent case as to why his religious group is an exception to the Article 18 (and a few others), through Article 30.

McHrozni
 
Sideroxylon said:
You have to take those words in the context of the Kemalist environment of the time. Being openly pious was a career killer in government or military jobs. A key Conservative hope when the AKP came to power in 2001 was greater religious freedoms of expression - like the wearing of headscarves at university and opening senior roles to openly religious people.

The staunch secular hegemony of that time was almost as undemocratic as the current Erdogan government. That regime stacked judiciary, education boards, senior civil service, and military positions with their own people and locked conservatives out. The early years of the AKP involved a great struggle to get conservatives into these positions. The party even had to struggle for its own existence with a failed legal move to have them closed.
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McHrozni said:
Judging from what happened to Turkey, it was downright necessary to keep the conservatives down and out.

McHrozni
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Now, back pedalling on your applauding suppression of the West's great gift of freedoms?
 
McHrozni said:
This was already answered to you in the post above yours. Try to keep up, will you?

McHrozni
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Your double standards were not.

The stuctures to limit expression of religion in Turkey that I raised above predated the AKP government.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Your double standards were not.
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Of course I don't advertise having double standards.

There are laws against false advertising you know. On top of that it's not right to lie, even if it's to slander yourself.
Why would I want to do that, anyway?

McHrozni
 
Now that it is generally appreciated that we have once again seen a failed attempt at regime change through proxy instigated by the US , why aren't you talking about :- ---- World War 3 which Witch Clinton would organise if Turkey backed out of NATO , kicked the US out of their air base in Turkey ( the nukes are in Romania already) with other countries ( the Balkans probably , plus Greece ) all wanting to get out of NATO .It is assumed that Turkey will nestle closer to Russia and hence Iran and China . This would leave US geo political strategy totally shredded
 
Malbec said:
Now that it is generally appreciated that we have once again seen a failed attempt at regime change through proxy instigated by the US , why aren't you talking about :- ---- World War 3 which Witch Clinton would organise if Turkey backed out of NATO , kicked the US out of their air base in Turkey ( the nukes are in Romania already) with other countries ( the Balkans probably , plus Greece ) all wanting to get out of NATO .It is assumed that Turkey will nestle closer to Russia and hence Iran and China . This would leave US geo political strategy totally shredded
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It's, okay, Trump Will Save Us!
 
Malbec said:
Now that it is generally appreciated that we have once again seen a failed attempt at regime change through proxy instigated by the US ,
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It isnt.

why aren't you talking about :- ---- World War 3 which Witch Clinton would organise if Turkey backed out of NATO , kicked the US out of their air base in Turkey ( the nukes are in Romania already) with other countries ( the Balkans probably , plus Greece ) all wanting to get out of NATO .It is assumed that Turkey will nestle closer to Russia and hence Iran and China . This would leave US geo political strategy totally shredded
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The relationship with the US is not lost nor that with Russia set in stone.
 
Malbec said:
Now that it is generally appreciated that we have once again seen a failed attempt at regime change through proxy instigated by the US , why aren't you talking about :- ---- World War 3 which Witch Clinton would organise if Turkey backed out of NATO , kicked the US out of their air base in Turkey ( the nukes are in Romania already) with other countries ( the Balkans probably , plus Greece ) all wanting to get out of NATO .It is assumed that Turkey will nestle closer to Russia and hence Iran and China . This would leave US geo political strategy totally shredded
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Primarily because it is generally accepted that US involvement in the coup is one of those especially retarded conspiracy theories, like 9/11 twoof and Chemtrails. the only difference is that those 'theories' have managed to produce something resembling evidence at a first glance, whereas there is absolutely nothing that would implicate the US in the coup.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
My point exactly. It's not religious parties that are the problem, it's the Islamic parties. Let's call a spade a spade.
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Religious parties are a problem in Israel; the BJP is a problem in India; Christian Dominion infiltration in the US a la Gulen's (alleged) strategy is a problem. Mosly potential as yet, but the global resurgence of religion in politics since the Cold War is pretty evident and it's not over yet.
 
McHrozni said:
Primarily because it is generally accepted that US involvement in the coup is one of those especially retarded conspiracy theories ...
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Ironically, it buys into the fantasy that the US is central to everything, which runs counter to the idea that the West's days of power are done and Turkey is about to become great again under Erdogan's inspired leadership.
 
A straw in the wind : Syrian Kurds are currently in conflict with Assadist forces while being shelled by Turkey. Erdogan has made Assad's role secondary to preventing Syria dividing "along ethnic lines", which means Kurds.

Things look terribly bleak for the Kurds. Again.

ETA : that's two separate conflicts in the first line, not a co-ordinated attack.
 
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