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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Gee, didn't Poland massacre a ton of Germans and did diabolical things to them, warrantying a response from Germany?

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Nope unless you believe the German/Nazi propaganda on this? What you claimed was that the 'Allies' bombed German cities first. This is clearly not what the historical record shows. The bombing of Rotterdam was a clear cut incident of 'terror bombing'.
 
Again wooden door. Glass pane window...no gas chamber, only for gullible people...

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Gee, didn't Poland massacre a ton of Germans and did diabolical things to them, warrantying a response from Germany?

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Definitely not. Explain us how many German would have been massacred by Poland before 1st September 1939 and where and when this happened.

And be so kind as providing us with reliables sources to sustain your allegations.
 
Do you have a picture of this door and its window?

As for "No Jew had the strength to break the window?" That's entirely possible, depending on the size of the window and the strength of the glass. Add that to the fact the Jews sent to the gas chambers were typically chosen for that fate because the person doing the selections believed they were not useful for forced labour: too young, too old, too weak, or too emaciated.
Pictures of wooden door.

https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/both-doors-of-auschwitz-gas-chamber-opened-inward

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A lot....The allies took vengeance on the Germans first. It was known that in the civility of war NO CIVILIANS would be bombed. That didn't happen with the Germans. The allies BOMBED civilians in Germany FIRST. Germany sat back and had a lot of patience and then when enough was enough Germany retaliated. YOU and other misinformed historians ONLY look at the retaliation of Germany and make the whole world think the Germans were the monsters. Nice try....Remember history is told by the ones that won. The Jews declared WAR on Germany on March 24, 1933. Germany had a lot of patience with the Jews, Britain and the other world powers.


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How did the "Jews" declare war on Germany? A boycott is not a declaration of war:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933

So, if I decide to boycott a company does that mean I have to officially declare war on them?
 
Gee, didn't Poland massacre a ton of Germans and did diabolical things to them, warrantying a response from Germany?

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You need to be specific. The Poles did kill ethnic Germans but only after the invasion on September 1st, 1939.
If you are claiming otherwise you need to provide proof.
 

As a matter of fact this door has never been the door of the gas chamber of Krema I.

Initially the building was used as an ammunition bunker. In 1941 it was transformed in order to be used as killing installation. A gas chambers and crematories were added as shown on this plan: http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-...sac/technique-and-operation/pressac0153.shtml

Once bigger installations have been build (Krema II and III) the building was refitted. Crematories were removed and the building was changed into an air-raids shelter, which included notably new separation wall inside what had been the gas chamber (see this plan: http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-...sac/technique-and-operation/pressac0156.shtml )

In 1948 the building was restored in its state of end 1942, but with some mistakes. Among others they did only rebuild two crematories (while there were three in 1941). Furthermore they destroyed one wall that was existing end of 1941 (shown in dashed lines on this plan: http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-...sac/technique-and-operation/pressac0159.shtml ). This was the original wall of the gas chamber in Krema I and the entrance (with the door of course) was open in that wall and not where your picture shows it.

This door on your picture has never been the door of any gas chamber. This is well documented and all people with a minimum knowledge of Auschwitz are perfectly aware of this. Only deniers continue to use this argument which has been debunked years ago.

And accurate information about this is provided to Auschwitz visitors (see this link: http://www.phdn.org/negation/KremaI-chambreagaz-textepanneau.jpg ) so that the only conclusion that comes to mind when one reads that a person who went to Auschwitz tells again the story of wooded door with a glass panel is that this person is of bath faith.
 
Again wooden door. Glass pane window...no gas chamber, only for gullible people...
Please, HDenier. What room are you talking about? It's not possible to discuss/debate claims or problems stated so vaguely. What camp are you referring to? What building? What room? Specifically.
 
If any building had Prussian blue in it then it was a fumigation chambers...not a homicidal gas chamber...



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HDenier, in your post you quoted my question to you - "HDenier, what building do you mean when you say NOBODY was gassed in that building"? - but you didn't give me an answer.
 

Ok, Krema I at Auschwitz. Dr Piper of the Auschwitz Museum answered David Cole's questions about this door over 20 years ago:
Piper: The first and the oldest gas chamber, which existed in Auschwitz I, this camp where we are now here, operated from autumn 1941 to December 1942, approximately one year. The crematorium near by this gas chamber worked longer, to the middle of 1943.

In July 1943, the crematorium was stopped . . . .

In 1944, in connection with the bombardment of Auschwitz by the Allied forces, [the] empty crematorium number one and gas chamber at Auschwitz were adopted as air [raid] shelters.
Piper explained to Cole how walls were built inside the former chamber, a new entrance was added, and holes in the ceiling were sealed. After liberation, to "gain an earlier view" of the structure as a gas chamber,
the inside walls built in 1944 were removed and the openings in the ceiling were made anew.

So now this gas chamber is very similar to this one which existed in 1941-1942, but not all details were made so there is no gas-tight doors, for instance, [and the] additional entrance from the east side rested [remained] as it was made in 1944. Such changes were made after the war in order to gain [the] earlier view of this object.
We can debate the wisdom and ethics of museum reconstructions, but to use the reconstruction, admittedly not fully authentic, as though it is the original chamber and good evidence for that chamber strikes me as a bit of sleight of hand.
 
Do you have a picture of this door and its window?

As for "No Jew had the strength to break the window?" That's entirely possible, depending on the size of the window and the strength of the glass. Add that to the fact the Jews sent to the gas chambers were typically chosen for that fate because the person doing the selections believed they were not useful for forced labour: too young, too old, too weak, or too emaciated.
Nonsense....

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I speak only for myself, but the Germns intended to colonize Russia, enslave its population for the most part, starve about 30-40 million in 1942 alone, destroy Moscow, St Petersburg, and all other major cities, settle the area with Germans, and reduce the remaining Russians to illiterate servant-people. It was not a war against communism, but a war of hatred and genocide.

I am no fan of communism, some would call me a political conservative, but in this instance I empathize with the Russian people 100%
Nonsense

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I merely stated that comment like the one quoted below were the Jews are responsible of everything which turns wrong are typical from anti-Semitic mind and behavior and I am apparently not alone to share this view:



Now you might also try to serioulsy consider other reasons that the Jews to explain the disorders which affect our world.



Well, I was expecting this kind of answer, I am therefore not surprised to read this.

Do you have any reference to a prior massacre of Germans by Americans soldiers during the Battle of the Bulge?




This is bad luck for you. My birthplace is two miles away from the spot of the massacre.

This fact is well known in the area. None of the people living around the spot has never seen Something like "the Americans make a typical battle seem like a massacre". And they could not have done it without nobody noticing.

Furthermore there was no snow on the ground when the massacre occurred. It snowed only the day after. If the Americans would have made a battle look like a massacre there would have been footprints all over the place. And the corpses gathered on the site were frozen as show the picture: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Massacre_de_Malmedy_43-0085a-1-.gif I have never read a serious source mentionning that their dog tags were missing. Where did you get this information from?

As you seem to ignore it there were also 50 men who escaped the massacre and testified of what they had seen, sometime in the very few hours following the massacre. They all told basically the same story: they were made prisoners by a German unit (it would appear later it was the 1st SS-Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler (LSSAH)) and were assembled in a field close to Baugnez crossroads. After a few minutes the Germans opened fire on them with machine guns and moved them down. Some of the Americans tried to flee and a fee managed to do so. Other fell to ground and pretended to be dead. After the machines guns stopped their fire, Germans walked trough the men and fired to all those who were moving or moaning.

This has been confirmed by the forensic examination made after the bodies had be recoverd. At least 20 of the victims had "potentially fatal gunshot wounds to the head inflicted at very close range in addition to wounds from automatic weapons", something that is unlikely to happen in the course of a battle.

There is is fact no doubt anymore that more than 70 US POWs were killed in cold blood by German Waffen SS.

I also add that the following days the same Waffen-SS unit would kill with no reason some 160 Belgian civilians in Stavelot and Trois-Ponts. This is also well documented and not only by pictures as this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stavelot_massacre_maison_Legaye.jpg

Men belonging to the LSSAH is also responsible for having killed 11 US prisoners at the Hamlet of Wereth on 17 December 1944. Apparently the only reason of the massacre was that they were Africans Americans. These murders were most probably racially motivated.



Not at all. Facts are clear and very well established.



To the best of my knowledge the German lost the Battle of Bulge, not the Americans. Germans could never fulfill their objective which was to take Antwerp port and cut the Allied lines into. The alternative (and less ambitious objective) was to reach the Meuse River and for this one too they failed.

With respect to the alleged torture this has never been demonstrated. Historian agree that there might have been mock trials and faked executions before the trial but no torture.




Scrapbookpages website contains a lot of crap and inaccuracies about this story.
Apparently your stoy is total fact...not

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You need to be more specific; if you are referring to the shower rooms in building no. 41, they aren't for gassing - and no one who has seriously studied the camp thinks they were.

Please link me to what you are talking about.
No, go watch Eric Hunts video....

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