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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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I once saw a denier point to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

In 1939 it had almost 18,000 people and was only 10,000 miles from Germany - they were obviously VERY dangerous.
Nice find. I'd overlooked this probability. Further research has revealed some artifacts that HDenier will surely latch onto. For example, here is a contemporary photo of the "Fighting Jews" of the First Stalin-Heifetz Mechanized Division. In this image, these fierce soldiers are shown setting off on their famous "10,000 mile" march on Berlin, ca. April 1933 - the operation that became known as The Long Long March.

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No wonder the Nazi authorities had to act and act fast!
 
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I fact McCarthy had been elected as Senator in Wisconsin, a State with a significant part of the population being of German heritage. He just hoped that this defense - which led nowhere - would help him to gather ballots at the next election. Ethic has nothing to do with this.

By the way you forgot to answer to my question: if the Germans were not the culprits for the massacre of 70 Americans POWs in Malmedy, who then were the perpetrators?



And another anti-Semitic rant with no proof, as usual.
It's getting pretty infantile to constantly being attacked as an antisemite whenever I post. it really is. I could say a lot against you people but I really hold back... Really is this a discussion or a constant personal attack?

Anyway the Malmedy incident seems to be very confusing. It seems to me that the Americans killed some Germans in a massacre and now the Americans got it back. Who knows. Could it have been set up? Could the Americans have made a typical battle seem like a massacre? Why were their dog tags missing? Yet they were identified?
The incident is still a bit confusing.
BUT the issue was these Germans were tortured to exact confessions which if you saw the Goya's Ghost happens. Rudolph Hoess also was subject to heinous torture and came under the same thing saying things that were not true. Who knows what happened but I am swinging to that the incident was a set up to blame the Germans for a battle Americas lost and now are embarrassed they lost, I could be wrong.
The incident is mentioned in a book on Joseph McCarthy called Blacklisted by History but only quickly in a few pages. . Here is the scrapbookers article about it Malmedy incident.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MalmedyMassacre02.html

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Germans can write any history they want about WWII. I have read many accounts of the war by Veterans.

Germans were bombing civilians in Spain prior to the war and attack Polish cities when they attack Poland. I would recommend you read about the air assaults on Warsaw and later Rotterdam along with Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotterdam_Blitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Warsaw_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

German propaganda film about the bombing of Rotterdam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LC1-s_B2Ac

Your understanding of WWII history appears to highly distorted.
Maybe just as distorted as your....

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Agreed, that makes sense. I think he is riffing off a Hunt "slogan" derived from prisoners' expectations of being gassed through showerheads and being relieved when water flowed in the shower rooms. Hunt mocks the fearful survivors using their testimonies about this relief they felt. The whole thing is just . . . stupid from every angle.
The pipes are water pipes unless you are blind that's what they are for taken a shower. Stop perusing this nonsense that gas's could come from them. You wonder why I call what you believe the holohoax when you mention lunacy like that...

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The pipes are water pipes unless you are blind that's what they are for taken a shower. Stop perusing this nonsense that gas's could come from them. You wonder why I call what you believe the holohoax when you mention lunacy like that...

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You continue to demonstrate your inability to read and understand what people post here.

You write: "The pipes are water pipes unless you are blind that's what they are for taken a shower. Stop perusing this nonsense that gas's could come from them."

But I wrote: "I didn't say that gas came through water pipes. Stop using strawman arguments."

I don't know how to be clearer, but I will try: I never said, nor do I think, gas at Majdanek came from water/shower pipes. Verstehen?
 
Contractual obligations are not a free speech issue. If you have met all relevant terms & conditions you signed up to, and they violated terms of the contract, that is a lawsuit matter for you. They have no constitutional obligations to offer such to you contractually.
If a contract says it is not to CENSOR, what does that mean?

The issue here is these cable studios don't follow their own rules.
They ONY use the rules when they come after people they want off the air, hmmm sound familiar? Even now cable shows are playing that have not done the things we were required to do and jump through the hoops for. One homo "Pride" show even had commercials in it, according to the pages of rules which is forbidden. If that was us we would be off the air again.....But since Sodomy is highly Jewish in followers and our Town is swinging that way nothing will be done as to the rules. Just Ilike the rules on forum list if you know what I mean....

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Now you're being silly. They were much more devious than that and let other people fight their physical battles for them.

You know what's funniest about Holocaust Denial?

The propagators of denial are antisemitic by nature. If they were true to their Fuhrer they'd be revelling in the fact that the Nazis murdered millions of them. Denying it is a slap in the face to Adolf, as well as a direct admission that Jews are superior to them.
Here we go with the anti-Semitic again, hey let's count the times.....

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They ONY use the rules when they come after people they want off the air, hmmm sound familiar?
No.

nothing will be done as to the rules. Just Ilike the rules on forum list if you know what I mean...
I don't.

What it sounds like is that you have a conflict with your cable station which you've generalized into something that I can't quite understand about Jews and pride . . . and that now you're trying to wrap this forum into your conspiracy theory. But you're failing, because you can't find any way to support your claims.

Do you often find yourself in conflict with others?
 
You're aware that exterminators seal entire houses -doors and windows included- all the time?
Oh stop the nonsense. the door had a flimsy window, No Jew had the strength to break the window? The story is nonsense and with a wooden door staring at you you holohoaxers look more ridiculous That room also had walls and sewage apparatus that was removed so the story gets even worse for you hoaxers. Explain to me the whole gassing process in THAT room. People were told they would be taking a shower in a former coal bin..lol How did that happen. So people just waited outside by buying tickets.lol Had their soap and towels in hand, heard no screaming, saw no bodies being taken out.... next joke people. That story in THAT building with the wooden door is a blatant LIE. Keep dreaming and get off the drugs....
NOBODY was gassed in that building. You wonder why I call it a hoax......

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Oh stop the nonsense. the door had a flimsy window, No Jew had the strength to break the window? The story is nonsense and with a wooden door staring at you you holohoaxers look more ridiculous That room also had walls and sewage apparatus that was removed so the story gets even worse for you hoaxers. Explain to me the whole gassing process in THAT room. People were told they would be taking a shower in a former coal bin..lol How did that happen. So people just waited outside by buying tickets.lol Had their soap and towels in hand, heard no screaming, saw no bodies being taken out.... next joke people. That story in THAT building with the wooden door is a blatant LIE. Keep dreaming and get off the drugs....
NOBODY was gassed in that building. You wonder why I call it a hoax......

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HDenier, what building do you mean when you say NOBODY was gassed in that building"?
 
Oh stop the nonsense. the door had a flimsy window, No Jew had the strength to break the window? The story is nonsense and with a wooden door staring at you you holohoaxers look more ridiculous (remainder snipped)
Do you have a picture of this door and its window?

As for "No Jew had the strength to break the window?" That's entirely possible, depending on the size of the window and the strength of the glass. Add that to the fact the Jews sent to the gas chambers were typically chosen for that fate because the person doing the selections believed they were not useful for forced labour: too young, too old, too weak, or too emaciated.
 
You continue to demonstrate your inability to read and understand what people post here.

You write: "The pipes are water pipes unless you are blind that's what they are for taken a shower. Stop perusing this nonsense that gas's could come from them."

But I wrote: "I didn't say that gas came through water pipes. Stop using strawman arguments."

I don't know how to be clearer, but I will try: I never said, nor do I think, gas at Majdanek came from water/shower pipes. Verstehen?
Well that is the story and the hoaxers have to live with it. Apparently we agree on something.
They were real showerheads not mythic gas death traps. The video Hunt exposes thinks they were for gas...total nonsense and just another holohoax. How can you people stand it?

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The Germans were fighting Communism, the ones that killed what, tens of millions in the annals of time. I suppose you were on the side of those Russian butchers?

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I speak only for myself, but the Germns intended to colonize Russia, enslave its population for the most part, starve about 30-40 million in 1942 alone, destroy Moscow, St Petersburg, and all other major cities, settle the area with Germans, and reduce the remaining Russians to illiterate servant-people. It was not a war against communism, but a war of hatred and genocide.

I am no fan of communism, some would call me a political conservative, but in this instance I empathize with the Russian people 100%
 
I fact McCarthy had been elected as Senator in Wisconsin, a State with a significant part of the population being of German heritage. He just hoped that this defense - which led nowhere - would help him to gather ballots at the next election. Ethic has nothing to do with this.

By the way you forgot to answer to my question: if the Germans were not the culprits for the massacre of 70 Americans POWs in Malmedy, who then were the perpetrators?



And another anti-Semitic rant with no proof, as usual.
No proof of what? None of these people don't exist? What am I proving?

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Germans can write any history they want about WWII. I have read many accounts of the war by Veterans.

Germans were bombing civilians in Spain prior to the war and attack Polish cities when they attack Poland. I would recommend you read about the air assaults on Warsaw and later Rotterdam along with Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotterdam_Blitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Warsaw_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica

German propaganda film about the bombing of Rotterdam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LC1-s_B2Ac

Your understanding of WWII history appears to highly distorted.
Gee, didn't Poland massacre a ton of Germans and did diabolical things to them, warrantying a response from Germany?

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It's getting pretty infantile to constantly being attacked as an antisemite whenever I post. it really is. I could say a lot against you people but I really hold back... Really is this a discussion or a constant personal attack?

I merely stated that comment like the one quoted below were the Jews are responsible of everything which turns wrong are typical from anti-Semitic mind and behavior and I am apparently not alone to share this view:

Trafficant basically destroyed his political career because the Jews, as always, came after him viciously....They like to do that. The Jews have no conscience towards being reputable and honorable sometimes. They'll defend murderers like Leo Frank, Jew, or spy's like Jonathan Pollard, scumbags to say the least. The Jews defended these people big time, even making Jonathan Pollard a hero in Israel. Of course he was responsible for probably hundreds of American agents deaths...Thank you Jews...

Now you might also try to serioulsy consider other reasons that the Jews to explain the disorders which affect our world.

Anyway the Malmedy incident seems to be very confusing. It seems to me that the Americans killed some Germans in a massacre and now the Americans got it back. Who knows.

Well, I was expecting this kind of answer, I am therefore not surprised to read this.

Do you have any reference to a prior massacre of Germans by Americans soldiers during the Battle of the Bulge?


Could it have been set up? Could the Americans have made a typical battle seem like a massacre? Why were their dog tags missing? Yet they were identified?

This is bad luck for you. My birthplace is two miles away from the spot of the massacre.

This fact is well known in the area. None of the people living around the spot has never seen Something like "the Americans make a typical battle seem like a massacre". And they could not have done it without nobody noticing.

Furthermore there was no snow on the ground when the massacre occurred. It snowed only the day after. If the Americans would have made a battle look like a massacre there would have been footprints all over the place. And the corpses gathered on the site were frozen as show the picture: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Massacre_de_Malmedy_43-0085a-1-.gif I have never read a serious source mentionning that their dog tags were missing. Where did you get this information from?

As you seem to ignore it there were also 50 men who escaped the massacre and testified of what they had seen, sometime in the very few hours following the massacre. They all told basically the same story: they were made prisoners by a German unit (it would appear later it was the 1st SS-Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler (LSSAH)) and were assembled in a field close to Baugnez crossroads. After a few minutes the Germans opened fire on them with machine guns and moved them down. Some of the Americans tried to flee and a fee managed to do so. Other fell to ground and pretended to be dead. After the machines guns stopped their fire, Germans walked trough the men and fired to all those who were moving or moaning.

This has been confirmed by the forensic examination made after the bodies had be recoverd. At least 20 of the victims had "potentially fatal gunshot wounds to the head inflicted at very close range in addition to wounds from automatic weapons", something that is unlikely to happen in the course of a battle.

There is is fact no doubt anymore that more than 70 US POWs were killed in cold blood by German Waffen SS.

I also add that the following days the same Waffen-SS unit would kill with no reason some 160 Belgian civilians in Stavelot and Trois-Ponts. This is also well documented and not only by pictures as this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stavelot_massacre_maison_Legaye.jpg

Men belonging to the LSSAH is also responsible for having killed 11 US prisoners at the Hamlet of Wereth on 17 December 1944. Apparently the only reason of the massacre was that they were Africans Americans. These murders were most probably racially motivated.

The incident is still a bit confusing.

Not at all. Facts are clear and very well established.

BUT the issue was these Germans were tortured to exact confessions which if you saw the Goya's Ghost happens. Rudolph Hoess also was subject to heinous torture and came under the same thing saying things that were not true. Who knows what happened but I am swinging to that the incident was a set up to blame the Germans for a battle Americas lost and now are embarrassed they lost, I could be wrong.

To the best of my knowledge the German lost the Battle of Bulge, not the Americans. Germans could never fulfill their objective which was to take Antwerp port and cut the Allied lines into. The alternative (and less ambitious objective) was to reach the Meuse River and for this one too they failed.

With respect to the alleged torture this has never been demonstrated. Historian agree that there might have been mock trials and faked executions before the trial but no torture.


The incident is mentioned in a book on Joseph McCarthy called Blacklisted by History but only quickly in a few pages. . Here is the scrapbookers article about it Malmedy incident.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MalmedyMassacre02.html

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Scrapbookpages website contains a lot of crap and inaccuracies about this story.
 
Well that is the story and the hoaxers have to live with it. Apparently we agree on something.
They were real showerheads not mythic gas death traps. The video Hunt exposes thinks they were for gas...total nonsense and just another holohoax. How can you people stand it?

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You need to be more specific; if you are referring to the shower rooms in building no. 41, they aren't for gassing - and no one who has seriously studied the camp thinks they were.

Please link me to what you are talking about.
 
Anyway the Malmedy incident seems to be very confusing. It seems to me that the Americans killed some Germans in a massacre and now the Americans got it back. Who knows.
What is confusing is your reference to an American massacre of Germans prior to the Malmedy massacre. Please provide a reference for the incident you are referring to.
 
Sorry but there seems to be a buffet of red herrings going on here.

What the soviets did, no matter how cruel or bloody, does not excuse the holocaust.

What happened to the Germans, no matter how cruel or bloody, excuses the holocaust.

I for example am happy to admit the concentration camp was a British invention of the Boer war. This neither makes the holocaust less likely to happen, or more excusable. Understanding that there were other tragedies does not devalue the evidence for the holocaust.

Once again: To convince me the holocaust was a hoax, all you need do is offer a theory that better explains the evidence. This should be step one of making the claim "the holocaust was a hoax".

I find it worth pointing out, on the third time of asking that saying "you believe the hoax you explain it" is to be considered a deliberate avoidance tantamount to an admission of deliberate dishonesty. By all means give your critics the means and reason to consider themselves victorious, but really, you should at least try to answer honestly. Or at the very least try to answer the question as stated and not the one you wish was asked.
 
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