General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[HDenier]

Well that would indeed be good to know; I am eager also to learn about the restraint shown by the Germans in June-July 1941 when they invaded the USSR . . . so many questions, so little time . . .

The Germans were fighting Communism, the ones that killed what, tens of millions in the annals of time. I suppose you were on the side of those Russian butchers?

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[HDenier]

Well, HDenier, since you prefer not to explain what your post about Majdanek is referring to, I decided to do your work for you and poke around the page you linked to. Is this what the comment you quoted pertained to?
If so, the article is flat-out mistaken. The gas chamber building is unique. There are two closely matching but not identical bathhouses at the north end of the Economics Sector at Majdanek. These are B&D I (no. 41) and B&D II (no. 42), respectively the men's and women's bathhouses. No. 42 is the building closed to tourists. Closely adjacent to no. 41, a few feet north of it, is a bunker housing three gas chambers - one large room to the west, two smaller rooms to the east. The gas chamber structure is not "identical" to a building next to it - there is no building next to it!

The gas chambers are not in no. 41, as the article implies, according to the museum. They are in the bunker to the north. Both nos. 41 and 42 were used for processing arriving prisoners and showering/delousing prisoners. Most people studying the camp today are of the opinion that a room at the northern end of no. 41, marked "IV" on a diagram of the building made by a Polish-Soviet investigating commission in 1944, was used to disinfest clothing.

To help you understand this, here is an aerial view of the buildings made recently:

[imgw=800]http://i.imgur.com/us2120v.png?3[/imgw]

"GC" is the gas chambers bunker, and 41 and 42 are the bathhouses described above. During the war, when the camp was operating, the bunker was under a pavilion-style roof and surrounded by barbed wire. (A route which prisoners' commonly took on entering the camp is marked with yellow arrows, and 43 and 44 were called the Effektenkammer; these were the buildings where incoming prisoners surrendered their valuables before being taken into the bathhouses or to a waiting area for the gas chambers.)

Much more can be said. But for now let's just note that the article is mistaken.

In fact, the only people confused here are whoever wrote the article you linked to and "rizolitv," whose comment, as I already noted, is nearly unintelligible.

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IMGW tags substituted for IMG tags to produce an image of reasonable width.

Nice post, I believe the accuracy of Hunt, thanks.....Gas can't come out of water pipes unless you have some sort of new law of physics I don't know about. The rooms YOU claim are homicidal gas chambers would be rooms for fumigation. The room Hunt shows obviously is a shower room.....Keep your lies coming though I enjoy them...

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[HDenier]

Sorry, quick apology, your opinions are not lies but no honest in heart, BUT they are part of a bigger narrative that continues to misinterpret events and places that continue the final solution lies, how about that?

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[abaddon]

First of all look at the quote please? It's making a point, the words could have been written by someone else even. you have a right o not agree with me. BUT, you don't have a right to stop others on their free will to agree with me. That's the point....
These forums sometimes gang up and gloat when someone they have a problem with is banned or when other avenues of internet free speech banned some people's opinions. I would NEVER, NEVER, gloat over you being banned from this forum or any forum. That is how much I believe in free thought. If you have something I disagree with I will disprove you. If I wanted you banned then I have lost the power to debate, which seems a lot of you may be heading towards....
When people like Scientology or other cults try to ban books on AMAZON then I know those groups are evil. If you do the same here but to thoughts then you are no better than these cults. So if I was off this list would you gloat, do some hi fives? You probably would.

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You mean like the christian cult? Of which you are a self confessed part?

I fail to see how any thinking person could give the remotest credence to the holey babble. It is obvious nonsense. It cannot even agree with itself.

As for banning books, the christian cult is way ahead of the game there. Not only will they ban books, they will all ban thought and climb into bed between one's chosen partner and oneself. They are, by definition, perverts. As the evidence shows.

 

[HDenier]

These post go up and for some reason words get inserted that shouldn't be there. I said "are honest in heart"..the word no came out from who knows where

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[LemmyCaution]

Actually I now know what Majanek is. I watched Eric Hunts great video exposing the lies the propagandist showed when they filmed their version of the myths and lies of Majanek..

You see, you had me fooled. It would help your credibility if 1) you didn't rely on Hunt's video, which is a piece of deception and outright falsehood and 2) knew at least how to spell the camp's name, which is Majdanek, not Majanek as you wrote several times.

Here is a link to his video.

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1010&play=130#watch

Much appreciated but you seem to have decided not to read the materials I linked you to where I showed that Hunt lied about camp arrival/entry to the bathhouses or to pay attention to where I told you another example of his tomfoolery was the distance between the gas chambers and crematory. Oh well.

You might imagine I've seen the video, since I linked you to a thread about it. For members with a high tolerance for pain and a degree of masochism, here is a link to that thread; in the thread, a non-denier, Nessie, who fell for Hunt's video, finally gave up trying to defend it, and the arguments in defense of Hunt's video made by a denier named David as well as by the Black Rabbit of Inlé are refuted.

I think it is odd that a water well lies right in the middle of this place. Doesn't seem to be a place to put one if people are going to be murdered by the carloads and their body fluids flowing everywhere...

You may find it odd, but the evidence shows that there was a murder facility in the northeast corner of the Economics Sector, as pointed out above.

The subject of water in the camp vexed the SS authorities, in fact. Here are some indications of how much so:

DachauKZ website summary:

Particularly troublesome was the lack of water for prisoners. By the end of 1942, the water came from three wells (bores) to the camp. A representative of the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen-SS made an inspection of the camp in mid-April 1942: "The water supply of the POW Camp Lublin is inadequate and does not meet the requirements that have to be made due to health considerations. In the present circumstances there is a risk of disease for the camp and its surroundings". Even the connection of the camp to the municipal water and the sewer system did not solve the water problem, it often resulted in blockages and breaking of pipes. On 3 August In 1943 a representative of the WVHA in a protocol noted regarding the sanitary conditions: "The major problem in terms of hygiene in KL Lublin at the moment is the deficient supply of water, as the main pumping station of the waterworks Lublin has fallen in disrepair in the Moor, which is *part of the city."

Museum of Tolerance Learning Center note:

. . . the SS Hygiene Institute declared in 1942 that the water in Majdanek's wells was contaminated and undrinkable, the camp was not linked to Lublin's municipal waterworks until mid-1943; and there was no running water until autumn of that year.

Graf & Mattogno, p 167, quote from an early 1943, they say, underground report on Majdanek:

The unsanitary conditions are worsened further by the complete lack of water. The few wells on the camp grounds are closed, as they are said to have been contaminated by the typhus epidemic that raged in the camp recently. As a result, there is no water for washing or even for drinking; the one well by the kitchen provides at most one or two buckets of water for more than 400 people, and the dishes must be washed in that first. . . .

This suggests that, first, the camp had an insufficient number of wells, not just one, and that the camp water was indeed contaminated. I haven't studied Majdanek/Lublin area hydrology and don't know all the ways in which the water became contaminated. The camp authorities tried to solve the water problem in the camp by hooking in to Lublin's water supply. Which, as we can see, didn't fix the problem. The gassing operation began in late fall 1942; the hook-up to the Lublin system followed by some months.

So obviously that tells me Majanek wasn't a death camp as the usual players here want you to believe...

What this statement of yours is called is a "strawman," in that you're pretending that I (or others here) have been presenting Majdanek as a death camp.

Majdanek was a camp originally built for Russian POWs. It came to serve a number of purposes: a camp for POWS and later a woeful medical facility for POWS; a place for internment of hostages; a penal camp for Polish resisters, for Belorussian and Polish peasant who failed to meet German grain quotas; a dying place for ill prisoners from other camps; an execution site for Polish prisoners held in Lublin and vicinity; a labor camp and source of laborers for camps in the Lublin area; a transit camp to move slave laborers to Auschwitz and other KLs; and a site for murdering Jews. It was not "a death camp"; I have not described it as such and I thank you for not putting words into my mouth in the future. Majdanek was constructed, at least the rudiments of the camp, in fall 1941 - the camp opened IIRC in October 1941, and the camp was liberated in July 1944. During that period of over 2-1/2 years, about 150,000 people passed through Majdanek, about half of them being Jews. The gas chambers, in which mainly Jews were murdered, operated from (probably) September 1942 through September 1943.

That said, your declaring that the camp was not a death camp doesn't offer any evidence against the murders carried out at Majdanek.

Another holohoax thrown upon the public using staged video production and camera angles that actually hide the true layout of the place....while hiding light coming in from copious window openings and a sink made to save lives and disinfect persons.

You may have something in mind - you will need to clarify if anyone is to understand what it is.

But this is what we expect from the holohoaxters....keep it coming and more of us will keep exposing the lies. Eric Hunt does a great job doing it.....

As you will recall, I told you that Hunt lied about the entry process for the bathhouses, and linked you to a number of posts showing how his entry claims are bogus, and that he also made misleading points about the proximity of the gas chambers to the cremation sites.

Now it is up to you to tell us why Hunt was right and how you think I am wrong. Repeating that Hunt does a great job doesn't answer what I've told you.

Last point: you say you know about Majdanek. Please, what historical books dealing with the camp have you read? Also how many testimonies about the camp, in whole or in part, are you familiar with? What investigations, legal materials or other sources have you used to familiarize yourself with the camp?

 

[Degeneve]

A lot....The allies took vengeance on the Germans first. It was known that in the civility of war NO CIVILIANS would be bombed. That didn't happen with the Germans. The allies BOMBED civilians in Germany FIRST. Germany sat back and had a lot of patience and then when enough was enough Germany retaliated. YOU and other misinformed historians ONLY look at the retaliation of Germany and make the whole world think the Germans were the monsters. Nice try....Remember history is told by the ones that won. The Jews declared WAR on Germany on March 24, 1933. Germany had a lot of patience with the Jews, Britain and the other world powers.


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Could you tell us which German city has been hit by Allied air strikes before the bombing of Rotterdam? Any idea of the casualties figures if such a bombing occurred between 3rd September 1939 and 14 May 1940?

If I remember well German air strikes on Warsaw did also take place as from 8 September 1939 and in particular on 25 September 1939. Do you have information about Allied air strikes against German cities before 8 September 1939? And if you have this information you must of course have information about the German casualties figures. I have no doubt that you will be able to provide us with this valuable information. Taken from reliables sources of course...

 

[LemmyCaution]

The Eric Hunt video exposes the Majdanek nonsense.

How do you explain his gaffes on the prisoner arrival process and location of the gas chambers vis-a-vis the crematory?

The Holocaust ets who did their video used great propaganda visuals, low light, haunting music to get everybody in the lets kill the Germans mode.

What are you talking about?

Hunts video demolishes that propaganda video for the goy and shows the facts using real light coming form the copious windows shinning in on the subject. Again, the hoaxters prove again their slight of hand for duping the public. Plenty of material to expose the whole hoax at the holocausthandbooks web site if you are searching for the truth. If not keep watching propaganda videos put out by the hoaxters. You'd think we would have learned from the shrunken head fiasco and the lampshades videos they showed millions after the war, apparently not....

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Repeating empty and unsupported claims doesn't help your case, nor does going on and on about shrunken heads (as you well know, the so-called Buchenwald shrunken heads were not even related to the Holocaust) etc.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Nice post, I believe the accuracy of Hunt, thanks.....Gas can't come out of water pipes unless you have some sort of new law of physics I don't know about. The rooms YOU claim are homicidal gas chambers would be rooms for fumigation. The room Hunt shows obviously is a shower room.....Keep your lies coming though I enjoy them...

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What a load of complete and utter bull!

As an apprentice pipefitter I spent many an hour building and testing service piping used in gas compressors which was typically tested hydrostatically then emptied and used in service for compressed air, natural gas as well as other gas based applications.

Can you explain how it was myself and every other pipefitter in the history of pipe has managed to break this alleged law of physics and cite the actual law you claim was broken?

 

[LemmyCaution]

The opposers name call, slander and mock but we just put out the facts which makes them name call slander and mock more, just watch the reactions to my post...

In point of fact, you're floundering to come up with replies to the evidence presented against every one of your claims - and you time and again fall back on merely re-asserting your refuted claims and trying to perform victory jigs.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

What I really find amazing about the myth of worldwide Jewish domination (ie the alleged promotion of the Holocaust) is that the only ones affected by this alleged domination are the ones who believe in the myth.

 

[LemmyCaution]

So what exactly is your opinion of Blessed Roman Archutowski and Blessed Emilian Kowcz?

Thank you, at last some sensible, decent words about Majdanek.

 

[LemmyCaution]

The contract with one provider says they are not to CENSOR...That would mean that my opinions should not be stopped. But these people violate their own rules and CENSOR.

Which has nothing to do with government suppression of free speech. Nor a general policy against free speech. As you have been told.

You hoaxters seem to like to censor free thought and get a joy out of it.

No one here is in any way connected to whatever happened between you and a private entity. You are making charges against forum members. Are you sure the charges are correct? For example, do you now my views on anti-HD legislation?

That is the sin of you who want to stop knowledge and free thought.

Again, you charge us with a sin. Do you even know our views? Might they even be diverse? Have you bothered to check before making accusations?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Keep dreaming..

This is not an argument against the position LeoMajor takes. Do you have any arguments? Evidence?

 

[LemmyCaution]

A lot....The allies took vengeance on the Germans first. It was known that in the civility of war NO CIVILIANS would be bombed. That didn't happen with the Germans. The allies BOMBED civilians in Germany FIRST.

Any specific examples?

The Jews declared WAR on Germany on March 24, 1933.

Show us how this happened.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

There must not have been much body fluids as the corpses were burned. Furthermore is there any information saying that this water weel was used to provide dinking water ?

In my late teens/early twenties I worked for a municipality in their parks and cemeteries division and one of my jobs was assisting in loading corpses into the oven then collecting ashes afterward.

There were no body fluids running out of the oven during or after cremation.

 

[LemmyCaution]

The Germans were fighting Communism, the ones that killed what, tens of millions in the annals of time. I suppose you were on the side of those Russian butchers?

Please stop making unfounded accusations and answer the questions you've been asked.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Nice post, I believe the accuracy of Hunt, thanks....

You believe . . . yes we know that, but why? Tell us how he is right.

Gas can't come out of water pipes unless you have some sort of new law of physics I don't know about

I didn't say that gas came through water pipes. Stop using strawman arguments.

The rooms YOU claim are homicidal gas chambers would be rooms for fumigation.

Your saying so doesn't refute all the contrary evidence.

The room Hunt shows obviously is a shower room.....

Hunt filmed a lot of rooms. So unless you form a full thought, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Keep your lies coming though I enjoy them...

Getting frustrated?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Sorry, quick apology, your opinions are not lies but no honest in heart, BUT they are part of a bigger narrative that continues to misinterpret events and places that continue the final solution lies, how about that?

Pretty pathetic since you've not demonstrated what you claim. But good for you to catch that your accusations of lying are out of bounds.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Sorry, quick apology, your opinions are not lies but no honest in heart, BUT they are part of a bigger narrative that continues to misinterpret events and places that continue the final solution lies, how about that?

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I tend to believe those who were actually there and whose stories are corroborated by the mass of evidence available for anyone to see rather than the ranting of rabid anti-Semites with an obvious agenda.

"Deeply shocked by what he had witnessed, Gerstein never ceased in his attempts to warn the world about the on-going genocide. As soon as he left, in the train taking him from Warsaw to Berlin, Gerstein made a detailed description of the exterminations being carried out against the Jews in Belzec to a member of the Swedish delegation in Germany, Baron Göran von Otter."

https://bcrfj.revues.org/3022