1 term president?

[ponderingturtle]

This.


I still have Clinton fatigue from the Lewinski scandal. I'm just sick of hearing about them, and when she wins that's only going to get worse. I SO wish Bernie had won the nomination. But it's a small price to pay to keep the United States from dying in a Trumpster fire.

Republicans have spent hundreds of millions over decades trying to catch her at something, anything. The Lewinski is the closest they came and remember it had nothing what so ever to do with what Ken Star was originally supposed to investigate, he was simply given huge power and no real check to investigate anything clinton looking for any wrong doing.

 

[MikeG]

Her biggest flaw is that after decades of attack she has a bit of a hard veneer that comes off as fake. She doesn't connect well with crowds, she lacks her husbands charisma. I hear she is very genuine in person, but I have no measure of that.........

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[timhau]

It's also possible Hillary could serve one term out of choice.

It's possible (she'd be the second-oldest POTUS ever to seek re-election), but unlikely. For a historical precedent, you'd have to go all the way back to LBJ and Calvin Coolidge, both of whom had served fractional terms before their first election.

 

[Trebuchet]

Are we applying the fairness doctrine and pretending that Trump has a chance to win this? That knowledge should have an impact on how people vote in this important poll. .

I picked a percentage equal to 538's likelihood of Trump winning.

Not really part of the poll, but both candidates will be in their late 70's eight years from now. The possibility of death from natural causes is always there.

 

[Puppycow]

Well it can't be 0% or 100%, that's just silly. I put it at 51%-75% cuz I expect the odds are around 70%. If it's Hillary it kind of depends who she faces in 2020. With Trump I would say 90% or more.

 

[acbytesla]

I said the chances of her being a one term president were between 26 and 50 percent.Half of those odds I attribute to simply being "sick of it" and the other half to the political environment 4 years from now.however, My guess is that more than likely she will be viewed very positively and she will be healthy and want to keep doing the job.

 

[fuelair]

I am being utterly genuine when I say that I doubt many over here would have a clue why she is seen by some as flawed. Flawed implies a weakness, a trait that makes someone unsuited to a particular role. In other words, it isn't about what someone may or may not have done, so much as a pattern of behaviour which shows poor judgement or a personal weakness, or some lack of the necessary abilities and so on. I get the feeling that "Hilary is flawed" is just something that has been repeated so often that it became accepted, but its justification remains a complete mystery to the neutral observer.

I personally know no one who is not flawed in one or more ways. Even me - if you can believe it!!!!
Not to mention, unless the flaw is really wide, deep and evil/mean it should not, by itself prevent one from doing good things well.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Thanks for the explanation.

Even though I will vote for her, I find her voice, especially when she is trying to be enthusiastic, to be quite grating. Her calm reasoned voice is much more endearing to me.

I hope that in the debates she is not goaded into being enthusiastic. "There you go again" would be the best approach. Load up on all the lies he will tell and point them out.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I personally know no one who is not flawed in one or more ways. Even me - if you can believe it!!!!

Flaws?

 

[Donal]

4 years is an eternity in our present society. There are too many factors that can affect how a presidency is viewed, many having nothing to do with whoever is president.

If there is another major financial crisis in the next 4 years, the president will be blamed.

If the opposing party controls the Senate, the president will have more difficulty getting favorable legislation or supreme court nominees passed.

Another terrorist attack, Why didn't the president stop it?

Everything being equal, things seem to favor an incumbent, but so much is up in the air.

 

[acbytesla]

Even though I will vote for her, I find her voice, especially when she is trying to be enthusiastic, to be quite grating. Her calm reasoned voice is much more endearing to me.
I hope that in the debates she is not goaded into being enthusiastic. "There you go again" would be the best approach. Load up on all the lies he will tell and point them out.

Now, this I agree with 100 percent. I think it's a mistake for her to try and give that "cheerleading" style of oratory. I'd do exactly the opposite as you are suggesting. She should be working on a quieter reasoned tone. Just as Steven Tyler would not be my first pick to sing a love ballad, Hillary shouldn't be raising her voice. There is more than one style of being effective.

 

[phiwum]

That's it? Her big flaw is sending some emails from the wrong computer?

That's a serious issue when you are secretary of state. One of the purposes of the rule that she uses government servers for official email is transparency -- if you use a private server, then data (obviously) can be lost and this means FOIA requests come up short.

Frankly, I suspect that a desire to avoid transparency might have been part of her reason in using a private server. If so, this bothers me considerably, enough that I would consider voting for a GOP candidate if they had bothered to nominate one this year.

Add to this the fact that she has plainly misrepresented the facts, and I agree that she is far from an ideal candidate. I don't buy the claim that she's exceptionally corrupt and I think that this comes down primarily to a wariness for openness, given the decades of GOP witchhunts she has endured. Nonetheless, I really think the so-called email scandal is a real concern.

 

[phiwum]

Well, George W Bush did the same thing while he was President and he only got one term.

Hardly the same context.

If I understand correctly, there are administrative rules (laws?) that banned use of private email servers for official business when Clinton was Secretary of State. Those restrictions did not apply previously, and so the actions of previous Secretaries of State or Presidents really isn't comparable.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

[phiwum]

Yes, these two items would be a more serious problem if she had a normal opponent. The issue is more than about sending emails from the wrong computer. It is used to present evidence that she is dishonest because of contradictory testimony in Congress. The appearance of pay for play with her foundation also provides room for criticism. I don't want to get in a discussion about the validity of these issues because there are other threads on this forum discussing these issues at great length but suffice it to say, in any other election, these would be having a more significant impact. It is my hypothesis, that in a 2020 reelection campaign with Hillary, a more professionally run and supported campaign by the Republican candidate would make better use of these negatives.

I agree wholeheartedly. Hillary's li'l scandals really matter little to me if the alternative is a sincerely dangerous candidate. In other contexts, I would take them much more seriously, and she should have known better than to have used a private server and then to either lie or not know about the existence of confidential information on it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Hardly the same context.

If I understand correctly, there are administrative rules (laws?) that banned use of private email servers for official business when Clinton was Secretary of State. Those restrictions did not apply previously, and so the actions of previous Secretaries of State or Presidents really isn't comparable.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

They certainly illegally deleted emails on government servers. Best way to cover your tracks I guess.

 

[Garrison]

Given both candidates of the major parties can be considered flawed, what is the chance that whomever is elected will be a 1 term president?

Flawed? So sending some emails from the wrong computer is about equal in your mind to being a pathological liar currently on trial for fraud?

 

[The Big Dog]

Flawed? So sending some emails from the wrong computer is about equal in your mind to being a pathological liar currently on trial for fraud?

I don't think that Hillary and Bill are on trial for fraud yet.

Clinton’s disparaging remarks about the often seedy for-profit college industry omitted the fact that she and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have deep ties to Laureate Education, an international conglomerate of aggressive, telemarketing-happy, for-profit colleges that is ensnared in controversy all over the globe.

By the way, super nifty Rule of So!

 

[CapelDodger]

Regardless of whether you think of them as a problem or not, her use of an email server has raised serious questions and problems with the campaign as well as her foundation. For instance, if Biden had run and won the nomination, I don't think it is as likely you would be dealing with these issues and it would be more a fight about Obama's record.

Which might be a trickier fight.

Those who've not been convinced by all the Benghazi hysteria might well be de-sensitised to this kind of message, even if there is a substantial issue this time. Wasted effort.

I think it'll all be about the economy, but that's just me.

 

[The Atheist]

Given both candidates of the major parties can be considered flawed, what is the chance that whomever is elected will be a 1 term president?

100%.

Presuming Billary wins, and presuming the Republicans can find a candidate who isn't a complete moron, that is.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Regardless of whether you think of them as a problem or not, her use of an email server has raised serious questions and problems with the campaign as well as her foundation. For instance, if Biden had run and won the nomination, I don't think it is as likely you would be dealing with these issues and it would be more a fight about Obama's record.

I just imagined if the entire primary had been an ordinary winnowing down to Kasich vs Biden.