Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vixen, I keep thinking of you and fox lox. Oh for back in the day stories (apologies for that dreadful new saying back in the day)

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id...KHY5FCF4Q6AEIWTAP#v=onepage&q=fox lox&f=false

It appears chicken licken was being led astray by fox lox.

Snap, 'back in the day' is indeed a pet peeve of mine. I loved Chicken Licken and the sky falling, but was actually brought up on Janet and John in Hampton, Middlesex, and the Bertillons in French ('Monsieur Bertillon travail au Orly Airport') and German, 'Komm Mit' ('Wie geht es du? Es geht mir gut'). Foxes have a poor reputation in the English speaking world - in Cornwall tales of the sly Reynard abound and even feature in stained glass windows - or so we were informed by an expert at Birkbeck Summer School. (Ha!)

However, it is the national animal of my particular region - Varsinais Suomi- and there is nothing negative about it at all. People like Amanda give it a bad name.
 
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As you know, the statement written by Amanda's own hand was deemed impermissible evidence, as was her confession to being at the murder scence.

Raff refused to testify. Just as well, otherwise both Amanda and Raff could have been cross-examined on his unretracted statement to the police he didn't know where she was between 20:45 and 01:00.

Even Marasca called them bald-faced liars.

Only a perp or an accessory to the crime would deliberately and calculatingly lie to the police in such a horrendous crime in such an icy cold manner.

Well for me, I can't think of a way Amanda can simultaneously be guilty of killing Meredith while Rudy is also guilty of killing Meredith. It's either one or the other. And since Rudy's guilt isn't in doubt....it rules out Amanda.

The prosecution had a chance to get Rudy to talk or produce evidence against his unlikely accomplices, but they decided to take bloodless unmatching kitchen knives to court instead.

I think they blew the case, if you want my opinion.
 
As you know, the statement written by Amanda's own hand was deemed impermissible evidence, as was her confession to being at the murder scence.

Raff refused to testify. Just as well, otherwise both Amanda and Raff could have been cross-examined on his unretracted statement to the police he didn't know where she was between 20:45 and 01:00.

Even Marasca called them bald-faced liars.
Only a perp or an accessory to the crime would deliberately and calculatingly lie to the police in such a horrendous crime in such an icy cold manner.


And IMO this is at the root of most pro-guilt ignorance, bias and flat-out hatred for Knox in particular.

It takes a special kind of stupid/blinkered to believe that Knox "lied" to the police in a "deliberate" "calculated" and "ice-cold" manner. Any objective, rational, intelligent commentator can easily see how Knox's statements are wholly consistent with a factually-innocent person being coerced and threatened by the police (in an improper and unlawful manner, as the ECHR will IMO determine conclusively) into making confused and confusing statements to comply with what are effectively police orders.

Still, there's comfort in the fact that the people who actually matter in adjudicating this case - the Italian Supreme Court and the ECHR - are a million miles from being as stupid and ignorant as most pro-guilt commentators on this issue. Phew!
 
Well for me, I can't think of a way Amanda can simultaneously be guilty of killing Meredith while Rudy is also guilty of killing Meredith. It's either one or the other. And since Rudy's guilt isn't in doubt....it rules out Amanda.

The prosecution had a chance to get Rudy to talk or produce evidence against his unlikely accomplices, but they decided to take bloodless unmatching kitchen knives to court instead.

I think they blew the case, if you want my opinion.

What you are saying is Amanda is too racist to associate with the likes of Rudy? But Marasca ruled she fingered Patrick to cover up for Rudy. Why would she cover up for Rudy except to protect herself?
 
And IMO this is at the root of most pro-guilt ignorance, bias and flat-out hatred for Knox in particular.

It takes a special kind of stupid/blinkered to believe that Knox "lied" to the police in a "deliberate" "calculated" and "ice-cold" manner. Any objective, rational, intelligent commentator can easily see how Knox's statements are wholly consistent with a factually-innocent person being coerced and threatened by the police (in an improper and unlawful manner, as the ECHR will IMO determine conclusively) into making confused and confusing statements to comply with what are effectively police orders.

Still, there's comfort in the fact that the people who actually matter in adjudicating this case - the Italian Supreme Court and the ECHR - are a million miles from being as stupid and ignorant as most pro-guilt commentators on this issue. Phew!

No, Amanda's self-incriminatory email to all in her address book (notwithstanding being ordered by the police to keep the information confidential) was written entirely voluntarily, as was her other 'gift' to the police. Then there were the loud lip smacking noises the pair made at each other in the Questura amid Mez' heartbroken friends, and Raff loudly teaching Amanda how to swear and say, 'I spit on your dead relative's grave' in Italian.

Yeah, sure those stuck up Roman Catholic Italian police forced them to behave in that callous way. In fact it is eerily reminiscent of the post-murder behaviour of Erin Caffey who called the murder of her little brothers, 'awesome' and going back to her boyfriend's trailer park shack to have wild sex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFG6omgK94

Mignini noted Raff as being 'icy cold' and Amanda as, 'very astute'. Remember, Mignini has met many many sociopaths in his time, and he knew one when he saw one. What kind of sucker believes the entire police force, forensics and courts were all corrupt, all witnesses deaf, corrupt, liars and all the judges confirmation biased morons?
 
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What you are saying is Amanda is too racist to associate with the likes of Rudy? But Marasca ruled she fingered Patrick to cover up for Rudy. Why would she cover up for Rudy except to protect herself?

She was with Raffaele, not Rudy. How do her and Raffaele kill Meredith, while Meredith's rapekit comes back with Rudy's DNA and his bloody footprints surrounding the body? Rudy comes along....that's a nice murder you're doing...mind if I rape her since she's not gonna live much longer anyway....

That's ridiculous IMV.
 
She was with Raffaele, not Rudy. How do her and Raffaele kill Meredith, while Meredith's rapekit comes back with Rudy's DNA and his bloody footprints surrounding the body? Rudy comes along....that's a nice murder you're doing...mind if I rape her since she's not gonna live much longer anyway....

That's ridiculous IMV.

Rudy knew how to pose Mez' body exactly as it appeared in Raff's manga comic back at the flat? He knew manga vampire slayers stabbed the vampire's neck both from the left and from the right? OK, so he had the same manga devilman sign off as Raff and expressed an interest in drinking blood in an eye-rolling video. However, how do you reconcile a burglar suddenly overcome by lust (your theory) with the highly stylised crime scene, which appeared thought out and calculated, all the way down to the handprint on the wall?
 
Rudy knew how to pose Mez' body exactly as it appeared in Raff's manga comic back at the flat? He knew manga vampire slayers stabbed the vampire's neck both from the left and from the right? OK, so he had the same manga devilman sign off as Raff and expressed an interest in drinking blood in an eye-rolling video. However, how do you reconcile a burglar suddenly overcome by lust (your theory) with the highly stylised crime scene, which appeared thought out and calculated, all the way down to the handprint on the wall?


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If you ever find yourself in the same dreadful situation innocent Amanda and Raffaele found themselves.....you could always use insanity as your plea. Would probably work better than the truth in Italy.

VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS
 
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If you ever find yourself in the same dreadful situation innocent Amanda and Raffaele found themselves.....you could always use insanity as your plea. Would probably work better than the truth in Italy.

VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

Oh gosh, we just murdered someone for fun. What a laugh! Now how to take the mickey out of the cops and our families....
 

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Oh gosh, we just murdered someone for fun. What a laugh! Now how to take the mickey out of the cops and our families....


You do realise, don't you, that there's not one single credible, reliable piece of evidence pointing to the participation of Knox or Sollecito in the murder of Mez Kercher?

What's that? You DON'T realise that?

Wow.

Though that does explain rather a lot.......
 
No, Amanda's self-incriminatory email to all in her address book (notwithstanding being ordered by the police to keep the information confidential) was written entirely voluntarily, as was her other 'gift' to the police. Then there were the loud lip smacking noises the pair made at each other in the Questura amid Mez' heartbroken friends, and Raff loudly teaching Amanda how to swear and say, 'I spit on your dead relative's grave' in Italian.

Yeah, sure those stuck up Roman Catholic Italian police forced them to behave in that callous way. In fact it is eerily reminiscent of the post-murder behaviour of Erin Caffey who called the murder of her little brothers, 'awesome' and going back to her boyfriend's trailer park shack to have wild sex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFG6omgK94

Mignini noted Raff as being 'icy cold' and Amanda as, 'very astute'. Remember, Mignini has met many many sociopaths in his time, and he knew one when he saw one. What kind of sucker believes the entire police force, forensics and courts were all corrupt, all witnesses deaf, corrupt, liars and all the judges confirmation biased morons?


Pray explain how and why Knox's email was "self-incriminatory". Be precise and accurate please.

This should be fun :D
 
Rudy knew how to pose Mez' body exactly as it appeared in Raff's manga comic back at the flat? He knew manga vampire slayers stabbed the vampire's neck both from the left and from the right? OK, so he had the same manga devilman sign off as Raff and expressed an interest in drinking blood in an eye-rolling video. However, how do you reconcile a burglar suddenly overcome by lust (your theory) with the highly stylised crime scene, which appeared thought out and calculated, all the way down to the handprint on the wall?


Provide evidence (by way of crime scene photos and the drawings in the manga book) to show how Mez' Mez's Kercher's body was "posed exactly as it appeared in [Sollecito's] manga comic back at the flat".

Oh. You can't do that? It's nothing more than a nasty product of a mind gripped with disgusting sexual fantasies?

Oh well. Strike that one out as well. No bother.
 
I'm with you Vixen. It is definitely way more likely that the court records showing the defense experts and the independent court experts asked for the controls multiple times, and did not receive them, were forged; world renowned forensic scientists Peter Gill (who invented the technique used to analyze the knife blade), Bruce Budowle, Greg Hampikian, Conti, Vecchiotti, and others were paid off; the Italian Supreme Court was corrupted and bribed; the American media all paid off by "Friends of Amanda"; and Forensic Science International (and now, Nature, as Bill points out) were all paid off by Raffaele's lawyers......

rather than Stefanoni the prosecution's lab tech wasn't very good at her job and withheld the controls to cover her ass.

You're right Vixen, stating Stefanoni did not provide negative controls is a paranoid conspiracy theory of the highest magnitude!!! Where do all these crazy people come from?

Before I subscribe to the view 'the PGP all have to lie to cover up for Stefanoni', Welshman rather begs the question: is there any hap'orth of evidence she is (a) corrupt (b) incompetent, or (c) unqualified?

Unlike the prosecution or the defence, forensic scientists will see themselves as 100% neutral, objective and scientific, they will be aware of ethical threats and how to guard against them.

Your scurrillous claims against a decent professional are insulting, sexist and disgusting.

Vixen, before you try to lie and misdirect the line of questioning again, please answer the following (we will get to Stefanoni next):

Do you believe that

1) The court records, which show the defense and independent DNA experts asked for the controls on the DNA testing multiple times, yet did not receive them, are forged?

2) The world renowned, independent (they were not working for the prosecution nor the defense), forensic scientists Peter Gill (who is the man that invented LCN analysis -- the technique used on the knife blade), Bruce Budowle, Greg Hampikian, Stefano Conti, Carla Vecchiotti, etc. were paid off by someone to give false testimony and/or give false analyses?

3) The Italian Supreme Court, who acquitted Amanda and Raffaele after noting the flawed investigation and legal idiocy in the lower Massei and Nencini courts, were corrupted, bribed, paid off, by someone to get them off?

4) The media was corrupted and bribed by someone to mislead the American public?

5) Forensic Science International was paid off by... someone... again? To allow the publication of the peer reviewed work by Peter Gill explaining clearly, precisely, and scientifically why the evidence against Amanda and Raffaele was flawed? The most prestigious forensic genetics journal in existence?

6) As an addition to 5), that Nature was paid off as well, since as Bill points out, they have recently published a paper explaining how LCN analysis is prone to contamination (directly supporting the conclusions by Gill and the other scientists in #2 above, and supporting what the pro-innocence side has been saying for 8 years now)?


Vixen, you believe the above 6 things, and you think the statement that Stefanoni did not provide controls, was biased towards the prosecution (whom she worked for), and did not follow proper protocol as outlined by Conti, Vecchiotti, Gill, etc is the "most paranoid conspiracy theories we have heard to date"? (your words)


Like I said, we will get to the claims regarding Stefanoni in a minute, but please clarify the above first before lying, twisting, distorting, and trying to manipulate the line of discussion. Thanks Vixen.
 
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Before I subscribe to the view 'the PGP all have to lie to cover up for Stefanoni', Welshman rather begs the question: is there any hap'orth of evidence she is (a) corrupt (b) incompetent, or (c) unqualified?

Unlike the prosecution or the defence, forensic scientists will see themselves as 100% neutral, objective and scientific, they will be aware of ethical threats and how to guard against them.

Your scurrillous claims against a decent professional are insulting, sexist and disgusting.

Vixen wants evidence of Stefanoni’s corruption. The links below provide evidence of this corruption. Vixen has accused C&V, Hellman and Bruno and Marcesca of being corrupt but then defends Stefanoni who suppressed evidence, falsified documents and lied. Vixen constantly accuses Amanda and Raffaele of lying but defends Stefanoni who committed perjury. This is yet another example of Vixen’s hypocrisy. Vixen constantly boasts about how strong the case against Amanda and Raffaele. Could Vixen explain why the prosecution had to resort to the measures detailed below if their case was such a slam dunk?

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/lab-data-suppression/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/bra-clasp-contamination/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/
 
Vixen wants evidence of Stefanoni’s corruption. The links below provide evidence of this corruption. Vixen has accused C&V, Hellman and Bruno and Marcesca of being corrupt but then defends Stefanoni who suppressed evidence, falsified documents and lied. Vixen constantly accuses Amanda and Raffaele of lying but defends Stefanoni who committed perjury. This is yet another example of Vixen’s hypocrisy. Vixen constantly boasts about how strong the case against Amanda and Raffaele. Could Vixen explain why the prosecution had to resort to the measures detailed below if their case was such a slam dunk?

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/lab-data-suppression/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/bra-clasp-contamination/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/


There's manifest evidence of Stefanoni's incompetence, wilful misdirection and obfuscation, and - yes - corruption (even if Stefanoni's incorrect view might have been that it was "noble cause" corruption). But there are also none so blind as those who will not see. So IMO it's a pointless endeavour to supply all this evidence to those who have already closed their minds to logic and reason.

Oh and in yet another amusing aside (well, I find it amusing and ironic anyhow :p ), it's "ha'p'orth", not "hap'orth" - it's a contraction of "halfpennyworth", and (just as with every use of the apostrophe in English), apostrophes signify missing letters. So halfpennyworth becomes ha'p'orth. Not hap'orth.

Oh, and it's "Monsieur Bertillon travail à l'aéroport d'Orly". Not "Monsieur Bertillon travail au Orly Airport". That one's perhaps even funnier than the last, given that it was meant to convey an understanding of the French language for effect :D
 
There's manifest evidence of Stefanoni's incompetence, wilful misdirection and obfuscation, and - yes - corruption (even if Stefanoni's incorrect view might have been that it was "noble cause" corruption). But there are also none so blind as those who will not see. So IMO it's a pointless endeavour to supply all this evidence to those who have already closed their minds to logic and reason.

Oh and in yet another amusing aside (well, I find it amusing and ironic anyhow :p ), it's "ha'p'orth", not "hap'orth" - it's a contraction of "halfpennyworth", and (just as with every use of the apostrophe in English), apostrophes signify missing letters. So halfpennyworth becomes ha'p'orth. Not hap'orth.

Oh, and it's "Monsieur Bertillon travail à l'aéroport d'Orly". Not "Monsieur Bertillon travail au Orly Airport". That one's perhaps even funnier than the last, given that it was meant to convey an understanding of the French language for effect :D

Hey now. Vixen is no idiot. She has a 99% accurate memory and doesn't make mistakes. She just made a typo. Lots... and lots... of typos. Come to think of it, she must have made 5,418 posts full of typos. Because we know she is actually quite smart and probably not all that crazy. In fact, I bet she actually knows that Amanda and Raffaele are innocent. The same way we know, the Italian Supreme Court knows, all of the top-notch forensic scientists know, and all other rational, intelligent people know that they are innocent and Rudy did it by himself. She must know this, because she isn't an idiot. She is actually quite smart and probably not all that crazy. She must have just fat-fingered a few hundred thousand words in her posts. You know, "typos".
 
You do realise, don't you, that there's not one single credible, reliable piece of evidence pointing to the participation of Knox or Sollecito in the murder of Mez Kercher?

What's that? You DON'T realise that?

Wow.

Though that does explain rather a lot.......

It's a shame Marasca doesn't realise it either, in that it legally (in perpetuity) places Amanda at the murder scene, and also very likely Raff, and yet the pair never reported Rudy - indeed Marasca court rules Amanda covered up for him. If failing to report a dead body, harbouring a criminal and lying to the police, falsely accusing an innocent man, are not heinous crimes in themselves, then you are seriously deluded.
 
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