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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Elagabalus said:
Your information has been discredited here many times. In fact, you have refused to look at any evidence showing that you are mistaken. Why am i not surprised?




Declaring victory? How sweet. Is this the final withering?




You don't think saying that you hate the Jews makes you an Anti-semite or a rascist?



ooh, da' irony.
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Could you please show me where I say "I hate the Jews"...

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LemmyCaution said:
Just assuring you that you are convincing no one. If that makes you irritable, I am sorry, but you are posting unsupported fantasy material and others including me are showing the errors, biases, false assumptions, poor argument, and fallacies in your thinking.


That's called paying attention to evidence. You know, what you repeatedly fail to use.


Do you have something in mind? If so, feel free to share it. As it is, I have no idea what you're talking about.


No, that is not what you posted. What you posted is this:
I've shown you that Fred Leuchter himself says that there were small quantities where you wrote that "Not a molecule can be found . . ."


Is this your way of admitting you were wrong when you wrote that "Not a molecule can be found on the walls . . ."


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Among many other points I could make, let me remind you that a number of us have shown you that reports and evidence for the mass murder of the Jews began to be accumulated at the time the mass murder began. This is not nitpicking; it is reminding you that you keep repeating points that have been thoroughly dealt with.


You said no such thing. You said that the information in the material I linked to was "nonsense," and you know that the material linked to was not about a building across from the SS office. You and I also know full well which buildings Leuchter sampled - and that you were wrong when you posted that "Not a molecule can be found on the walls" of these buildings.
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Like I said, no buildings we used as homicidal gas chambers. If the Zklon-b residue was found in any other buildings then obviously they were deloused but the purpose of them was not to be used as any type of gas chamber. So my point was to reasonable people that can actually think that if there was no epidemics out of these buildings then we would have had NO zyklon-b residue in them, not even a molecule..lol... they were not used as gas Chambers. Obviously they were deloused and or placement of some clothing which would explain Leuchters findings. Are we done with the molecule nonsense or is this going to continue with your compulsive disorder for molecules?

Hey, how about that 120 foot high pile of clothing..lol...

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LemmyCaution said:
There were between 10 million and 14 million forced laborers working for the Germans by 1945, up to 7 million of them within Germany. Most of these were not Jews. Among these were large numbers of French and Polish forced laborers.

Speaking of the late war slave labor programs, and particular Mittelbau-Dora, where the “secret weapons” were produced, André Sellier has written a history of that camp. On p x Sellier notes that over half the Mittelbau-Dora prisoners were Poles, Ukrainians, and Russians - not Jews. The initial Mittelbau-Dora prisoners, in fact, came from Buchenwald (and some workers from Peenemünde around this time) - and during the camp's early period French and German prisoners also made up a high % of inmates in the complex. Not until mid-1944 did significant numbers of Jews come to the camp for labor - Hungarian Jews (and in 1945 some Jews arrived as a result of death marches). Sellier covers the composition of inmates in the complex on pp 107-121.
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Here we go with the zeros added to zeros added to zeros..... I suppose you were there to count all these people right?

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HDenier said:
Actually we don't force the flushing the flushing comes after us. This happens when we come out with information that can't be faulted, so people start referring to the rules the rules the rules that for some reason only apply to us...
This happens all the time. When it finally happens,....then we win....
I m not here to compllain about this administration but only to reply to this "Hans" post
I only got on this list to be able to post my opinions, unfortunately when I post my opinions I get a lot of side talk of being an anti-semite, a racist a hater, a bigot, and the list goes on and on. I just want to post my opinion and then see what others think you can post your opinion but I'm not going to come after you and call you a racist a hater an anti-semite blah blah blah, is this clear or are we going to act like12 year olds?




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Here we go with the anti-semite crap again. Anytime you are on the opposite side of Jewish history you will always be accused of being an anti-semite. That's how they work.

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HDenier said:
Actually we don't force the flushing the flushing comes after us. This happens when we come out with information that can't be faulted, so people start referring to the rules the rules the rules that for some reason only apply to us...
This happens all the time. When it finally happens,....then we win....
I m not here to compllain about this administration but only to reply to this "Hans" post
I only got on this list to be able to post my opinions, unfortunately when I post my opinions I get a lot of side talk of being an anti-semite, a racist a hater, a bigot, and the list goes on and on. I just want to post my opinion and then see what others think you can post your opinion but I'm not going to come after you and call you a racist a hater an anti-semite blah blah blah, is this clear or are we going to act like12 year olds?




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Actually we don't talk about Jews and their evil slaves, the Jews themselves talk about that all the time. Go read their Talmud.

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And 99% of the holohoax can't be proved said Van Pelt...oops

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HDenier said:
In Massachusetts they are part of everything..

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And? Cry me a river in the *********** Crimea!

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So... No alternate theory that best explains the totality of evidence?

Not even a hint at one.
 
HDenier said:
And 99% of the holohoax can't be proved said Van Pelt...oops

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But it is the theory that best explains the evidence. How about you stop expecting perfect proof, and start talking in terms of something like reality.

How was this hoax carried out?

How do you explain the evidence?

Do you understand the difference between evidence and proof?
 
The Nazis had a pathological hatred of the Jews, that's why they created the camps.
They murdered people on an industrial scale. I don't understand why anyone can deny that ?

Why else create the camps ?
 
Tomtomkent said:
But it is the theory that best explains the evidence. How about you stop expecting perfect proof, and start talking in terms of something like reality.

How was this hoax carried out?

How do you explain the evidence?

Do you understand the difference between evidence and proof?
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Well said.
 
HDenier said:
Move to America and smell the coffee...

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You think it's bad now... wait till you see what we have planned for you simple goyim once our Zion victory is complete. Hint- we're bringing back sedan chairs and litters.
 
Blue Mountain said:
If this is the standard level of comprehension among the Holocaust deniers, I'm not at all surprised they've fallen for the denialist's claims.

As was pointed out earlier, these are not 109 countries. The list consists of 108 locations (mostly cities) that have expelled Jews over 1,700 years. Yes, there are only 108 entries; either the person putting the list together miscounted or one place got lost when the list was posted to the site.

Not only that, but many locations are listed more than once because they had periodic fits of paranoia over the Jews and expelled them on more than one occasion. After trimming out the duplicates, I ended up with 71 locations. Of these, 46 are probably individual cities or limited regions—my knowledge of the political boundaries of medieval Europe tends to be a bit fuzzy.

Of these cities, and indeed the larger territories and countries, the vast majority at the times of the expulsions appear to be under the control of adherents to the Roman Catholic church. For centuries the Catholic Church's doctrine was Jews were the enemies of Christianity, as it was the Jews that had Jesus put to death. (Conveniently they ignored the fact the Romans actually carried out the execution, and that Christ's death and subsequent resurrection were the reason for the church in the first place! Doctrinally, all Christians are "responsible" for Christ's death, and by the same token all are beneficiaries of it and of his resurrection.)

The Holocaust deniers in the thread have hinted that the Jews were responsible for their expulsions because of what they had been doing in those places. I say that's not the case. The Jews were expelled probably for political reasons that had little to do with what they were up to and much more to do with the simple fact they were Jews. And quite possibly because they refused to give up Judaism and convert to Christianity.
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Apparently you haven't read any of Michael Hoffman's Publications.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/news.html

If you read the Bible you would notice that it says that when the Jews would become apostate and would not follow God that they would become a "byword" among the Nations. Basically, that's what the Jews have become right now just to hear the word "Jew", people get the point. Money lending, Usury, you get the picture... expulsions follow. Henry Ford did a great job exposing the history of the Jews in America. He wrote "The International Jew".
Currently I am reading a book put out by the Forgotten Books people it is called the American Jew, an expose of his career by Telemachus Thomas Timayenis. This is a book that will probably be banned by the Jews. It was originally published in 1888 and I can tell you one thing, it is not a good read if you are Jewish.

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HDenier said:
Could you please show me where I say "I hate the Jews"...

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You don't think "the Jews deserve everything they got" counts?

I think we can both agree it's all over your website. along with your homophobia and general racism. You hate everybody you think is getting something you aren't. Sometimes your failures are your fault, no-one else's.
 
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