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Francesca R said:
It should be pointed out that this is a very bad rule and a protectionist quasi-nationalist one not a free trade one. Far better to let firms hire who they wish.
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Well it didn't apply to the UK until the people voted for it to apply so I'd blame the English and Welsh voters who apparently prefer it that way.
 
CapelDodger said:
I must confess I thought no further than the type of deal we'd get as members of EFTA. Whether we could get in is, of course, another matter entirely.
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Basically everyone with an agenda or grudge is now preparing to extort the UK
I wonder what Norway's price will be for not opposing the UK joining the EFTA?

CapelDodger said:
Davis may have a better idea than Aspaker of what the UK's plans are, but it's not a given. He's probably still negotiating who gets the corner office.
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Yeah. Not to mention internal party politics and general empire building.
 
The Don said:
Yes it is - the vast majority of my business' turnover comes from the EU and as a service industry, leaving the EEA would be a disaster. We would need to demonstrate that no other EU employee could fill the post that our consultants would be filling. It's a significant barrier to entry and instead of competing against other EU countries, we could be competing against India on price.
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It's the non-tariff barriers that'll be the killer. Just look at how Japan and China use them to exclude foreign companies.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I see this a lot. Is it actually true? Are there things that the UK provides that the EU couldn't source from elsewhere? Quite possibly from an EU source?
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Some specialised luxury good perhaps. Certainly pharmaceuticals, vehicles, bulk materials, electronics and most sectors could be substituted.

Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I mean I know there are certain brands etc that are manufactured in the UK but there are always alternatives if the price is right. I know the opposite isn't true in that the UK is not self-sufficient in a whole manner of things.

They would, of course, WANT to trade with us. But only on terms that they find advantageous. And again, I keep repeating, and nobody has yet answered, that there are a few EU countries who probably couldn't care less about trade with the UK (and a few who will think it is vital) why would they agree to a trade deal in which they get nothing of benefit?
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Exactly.
 
Francesca R said:
Why not? If you don't think it is then your complaint with Brexit would be merely that it is a bit more protectionist-nationalist than perhaps you'd like to be.
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Because there is no indication that the EU is going to make changes to this policy in either the near, mid or long term. So it's a point that has no relevance in the world we actually find ourselves in.
 
Darat said:
Because there is no indication that the EU is going to make changes to this policy in either the near, mid or long term. So it's a point that has no relevance in the world we actually find ourselves in.
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So what? The member said it was "not a realistic proposition by any standard" which doesn't restrict to what the EU does.
 
The Don said:
I think you are badly misinformed. Of course the putative terms of membership of the EEA are unknown but as I understand it, there would be very limited and specific exemptions from EU legislation.
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I never said the EEA is "perfect".
I'm merely saying that as a compromise, it's not bad. And it exempts us from the rules laid out in TFEU 207 (as that only applies to EU members) :

Article 207

(ex Article 133 TEC)

1. The common commercial policy shall be based on uniform principles, particularly with regard to changes in tariff rates, the conclusion of tariff and trade agreements relating to trade in goods and services, and the commercial aspects of intellectual property, foreign direct investment, the achievement of uniformity in measures of liberalisation, export policy and measures to protect trade such as those to be taken in the event of dumping or subsidies. The common commercial policy shall be conducted in the context of the principles and objectives of the Union's external action.

2. The European Parliament and the Council, acting by means of regulations in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, shall adopt the measures defining the framework for implementing the common commercial policy.

3. Where agreements with one or more third countries or international organisations need to be negotiated and concluded, Article 218 shall apply, subject to the special provisions of this Article.

The Commission shall make recommendations to the Council, which shall authorise it to open the necessary negotiations. The Council and the Commission shall be responsible for ensuring that the agreements negotiated are compatible with internal Union policies and rules.

The Commission shall conduct these negotiations in consultation with a special committee appointed by the Council to assist the Commission in this task and within the framework of such directives as the Council may issue to it. The Commission shall report regularly to the special committee and to the European Parliament on the progress of negotiations.

4. For the negotiation and conclusion of the agreements referred to in paragraph 3, the Council shall act by a qualified majority.

For the negotiation and conclusion of agreements in the fields of trade in services and the commercial aspects of intellectual property, as well as foreign direct investment, the Council shall act unanimously where such agreements include provisions for which unanimity is required for the adoption of internal rules.

The Council shall also act unanimously for the negotiation and conclusion of agreements:

(a) in the field of trade in cultural and audiovisual services, where these agreements risk prejudicing the Union's cultural and linguistic diversity;

(b) in the field of trade in social, education and health services, where these agreements risk seriously disturbing the national organisation of such services and prejudicing the responsibility of Member States to deliver them.

5. The negotiation and conclusion of international agreements in the field of transport shall be subject to Title VI of Part Three and to Article 218.

6. The exercise of the competences conferred by this Article in the field of the common commercial policy shall not affect the delimitation of competences between the Union and the Member States, and shall not lead to harmonisation of legislative or regulatory provisions of the Member States in so far as the Treaties exclude such harmonisation.
 
MikeG said:
As the EU does already with Africa, for instance.
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And that was one of my principal objections to remaining.

Some aspects to EU membership are rather good, but some are really quite bad and quite restrictive. On balance I saw membership as being more negative than good. Hence my vote to leave.

There was trade between European countries before the European Union existed, there will be after it has morphed into whatever it will be next.

There have always been foreigneres living and working in Britain.
In the 1930's, Marcelle Lobelle and Gustav Lachmann designed aircraft for the Royal Air Force which served in WW2. My grandfather served in Fairey Battles which Lobelle had designed, my great aunt sewed canvas for the wings of Swordfish biplanes also designed by Lobelle.

He earned his right to be in Britain. I'm full of respect for foreigners who come and contribute to my country.

We don't need to be in the EU for them to be able to come.
 
Airfix said:
And that was one of my principal objections to remaining.

Some aspects to EU membership are rather good, but some are really quite bad and quite restrictive. On balance I saw membership as being more negative than good. Hence my vote to leave.

There was trade between European countries before the European Union existed, there will be after it has morphed into whatever it will be next.

There have always been foreigneres living and working in Britain.
In the 1930's, Marcelle Lobelle and Gustav Lachmann designed aircraft for the Royal Air Force which served in WW2. My grandfather served in Fairey Battles which Lobelle had designed, my great aunt sewed canvas for the wings of Swordfish biplanes also designed by Lobelle.

He earned his right to be in Britain. I'm full of respect for foreigners who come and contribute to my country.

We don't need to be in the EU for them to be able to come.
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We need to be in the EU to stop the Tories and Little Englanders excluding them though. Because they are raising the barriers constantly and will keep doing so.
 
Airfix said:
I never said the EEA is "perfect".
I'm merely saying that as a compromise, it's not bad. And it exempts us from the rules laid out in TFEU 207 (as that only applies to EU members) :
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No-one claimed that you had.

If we're out of the EEA then our £26bn trade surplus with the EU in service goes up in smoke - not good

If we're in the EEA then likely we'll have the same requirements for financial contributions, adherence to EU legislation and movement of people but without any way to influence them - not ideal

How is Brexit an advantage to the UK ?
 
The Don said:
No-one claimed that you had.

If we're out of the EEA then our £26bn trade surplus with the EU in service goes up in smoke - not good

If we're in the EEA then likely we'll have the same requirements for financial contributions, adherence to EU legislation and movement of people but without any way to influence them - not ideal

How is Brexit an advantage to the UK ?
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No it doesn't, we will still do trade within the EEA, what tariffs we, and they, have to pay are up for negotiation.

Now that we have the London Gateway port we are less tied to Rotterdam as our port of transfer for foreign transfer, this has been a leading point in why our EU trade has declined, we simply don't have to move our goods over there to ship them further on.

Goods made in other counties still have to meet CE compliance, our leaving the EU makes no difference to that directly, only towards the formation of the rules themselves. My experience is that many rules regarding electrical and machine safety stem from British standards anyway, though strongly influenced by TUV.
 
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