Every word is wrong. Lemkin was not the first to expose the Nazi genocide, in fact he can be seen as one of the later ones to point it out. The first ones to bring the world's attention to the unfolding Holocaust was the Polish Resistance, and various Jewish groups in Occupied Poland, two sets of organizations that were acrimonious in regards to their conduct with each other and would have surely never "conspired" in any way together.
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Every word is wrong. Lemkin was not the first to expose the Nazi genocide, in fact he can be seen as one of the later ones to point it out. The first ones to bring the world's attention to the unfolding Holocaust was the Polish Resistance, and various Jewish groups in Occupied Poland, two sets of organizations that were acrimonious in regards to their conduct with each other and would have surely never "conspired" in any way together.
A'isha
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Lemkin's book was published in November 1944, and in the chapter on genocide he not only describes what the Germans were doing to the Jews (the previous chapter was dedicated to the legal status of Jews in Nazi Germany per the Nazis' own laws and statutes), but also the Poles, Czechs, and others in occupied countries. The number he gives for "[t]he number of Jews who have been killed by organized murder in all the occupied countries", sourced to "the Institute of Jewish Affairs of the American Jewish Congress", was 1,702,500.
Naturally, his number does not include the entire death total, since at the time he published his book most of the victims of the Holocaust had still not yet been counted.
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We are absolutely, 100% sure that the Soviet Union did not manufacture any evidence for the Genocide of the Jews, simply because their policy after WWII was to hide the Genocide of the Jews, in order to promote the narrative of heroic Soviet Resistance against German agression, and the solidarity of all Soviet people against German invaders. This is especially apparent in their postwar response to the Babi Yar massacre, which really speaks for itself.
https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/Publication_OP_2011-02.pdf
It's well known that the Soviet Higher ups edited the extraordinary commision reports on the massacre. All references to the victims being "Jews" were changed to "peaceful soviet citizens". This was just one example of the USSR's anti Jewish policies and their attempts to bury the Genocide against the Jews. They arrested the Jewish antifascist committee and blocked the Publication of the Black Book of Russian Jewry, as well as Vasily Grossman's life and fate. They also buried captured documents that illustrated that the Nazis killed Jews for being Jews. Both because they ran counter to the narrative the Soviets were promoting and because Jews did not control the USSR. They had no motive to manufacture evidence (unlike the Katyn massacre), therefore they did not manufacture evidence. All of the evidence they captured was 100% genuine.
So, no. Soviet "forgeries" never happened and could not have happened. Your spam is false.
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Harwood would be ignorant of this gentleman then. Capt. Pilecki's reports concerning what was happening in the concentration camps in Poland started in 1941 and were transmitted to London.
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You didn't provide a link to your quote from CODOH forum, this was actually a quote from a web article by Gregory Douglas. Douglas is a known purveyor of forgeries he has created himself, and has never demonstrated any true knowledge of the archives, so is projecting his own predilections onto others.
Douglas also fails to cite any evidence or sources to back up his assertions.
This remark:
I know to be utterly false, since the records of Army Group Centre captured by the Soviets are now digitised and online; they fit perfectly with the records of the same army group that were captured by the Americans - i.e. the files that had been sent back to Potsdam for archiving. The Americans captured a number of war diaries which refer to annexes (Anlagen) that are now available from the Podolsk-archived collection; the content fits with the summaries in the war diaries. The colour scans, external characteristics, formatting, stamps, ordering of documents in the files all indicate completely genuine Wehrmacht documents.
The same goes for other document collections captured by the Soviets - the recently discovered Himmler appointments diaries for 1938, 1943 and 1944 match up with documents from Himmler's personal staff captured by the Americans.
Same goes for the old canard about Demjanjuk's ID card, mentioned in Douglas's web article and quoted on the CODOH thread. This is refuted from two angles: firstly, there are eight other documents identifying Demjanjuk as a Trawniki scattered across four archives and both sides of the old Iron Curtain, secondly, the ID card's characteristics matches other Trawniki ID cards.
Et cetera.
Nick Terry
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You misunderstand the rules.
Rule 4 prohibits the posting of large amounts of text that can be found elsewhere on the internet or which appear in copyrighted publications; it doesn't matter whether you have permission from the original creator, if the text is already online, then a short excerpt and link is all that is permitted. You can't just spam text here.
You can, however, post in your own words at whatever length you like. One self-styled Holocaust revisionist once posted a reply that ran to 5000 words. The reply included numerous quotes, but they were short enough not to fall foul of rule 4, and were accompanied by the revisionist's own words at considerable length.
That post was well over three times the length of my post just now.
JimRizoli
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You know things are going downhill for the HoloHuxsters when this kind of information is floating around out there....
The BIG LIAR award is awarded to Miklos Nyizli's Doctor at Auschwitz, in which the falsification of facts..... According to this "doctor of Auschwitz", 25,000 victims were exterminated every day for four and a half years, which is a grandiose advance on Olga Lengyel's 24,000 a day for two and a half years. It would mean a total of forty-one million victims at Auschwitz by 1945, two and a half times the total pre-war Jewish population of the world. When Rassinier attempted to discover the identity of this strange "witness", he was told that "he had died some time before the publication of the book." Are we dealing with a a mythical figure?
41 million! Yikes....
Sure makes sense to me....LOL
JR
The BIG LIAR award is awarded to Miklos Nyizli's Doctor at Auschwitz, in which the falsification of facts..... According to this "doctor of Auschwitz", 25,000 victims were exterminated every day for four and a half years, which is a grandiose advance on Olga Lengyel's 24,000 a day for two and a half years. It would mean a total of forty-one million victims at Auschwitz by 1945, two and a half times the total pre-war Jewish population of the world. When Rassinier attempted to discover the identity of this strange "witness", he was told that "he had died some time before the publication of the book." Are we dealing with a a mythical figure?
41 million! Yikes....
Sure makes sense to me....LOL
JR
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I've read this book and do not recall this claim. I'm sure you can provide a proper cite though?
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The jews were the handlers of the judges at the Zundel trial - ADL, JDL B'nai-Brith ALL weighed in on that trial with EXTREMELY SPECIFIC directives and outcomes.
JimRizoli
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I could provide a direct quote to anything denying the HoloHoax....like your going to accept it...LOL
I've just accepted the fact that the HoloHuxsters have taken over this site and anything that is contrary to the HoloHoax is not accepted.
The HoloHoax deniers can't be 100% wrong, even you HoloHuxsters aren't 100% wrong but the HoloHoax deniers are Go figure!
Even a broken clock is right twice a day...
You HoloHuxsters have succeeded in promoting the biggest lie of the 20 century, you should be proud of yourselfs.
You get people jailed in 21 countries for even questioning your nonsense, you're a CULT designed as being historical politically correct but you really are a dangerous group that hides the truth from others.
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In other words, you made it up and are trying to cover that up by flinging childish insults.
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Fail, again. Once again, I'm driving a Trans-am listening to Warrant. Try to stay current. This is from IHR so it should be OK:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n1p20_provan.html
JimRizoli
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Good article on why Hitler came to power...
Nice to see an honest Jew telling the truth.
Why Hitler Came to Power:
One Rabbi’s Explanation
By Rabbi Dr. Manfred Reifer
He wouldn't of lasted here with all the HoloHuxsters going after him...
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41837
JR
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Nice to see an honest Jew telling the truth.
Why Hitler Came to Power:
One Rabbi’s Explanation
By Rabbi Dr. Manfred Reifer
He wouldn't of lasted here with all the HoloHuxsters going after him...
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41837
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For the record I don't agree with criminalising Holocaust denial. I don't want nazi vermin hiding. I want to know exactly where they are. I want to know which shops they go to, which bars they go to, which areas they live in. That way I can avoid them, just like I would any other poison.
Putting them in jail just vindicates their "I am an utter failure in life because of Jews" world view instead of the reality that their dismal attempts to master social skills, language, education, careers, you name it, are down to their own narrow minded bigotry, prejudice and stupidity.
So yes, free speech for you and people like you, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with lies and dishonesty and allow it to go unchallenged. Nazi attitudes are alive and kicking, and people like you would let it happen all over again if you had your way.
Yes, you're 100% wrong. You've been caught lying several times now, and so has your pal HDenier. Your friend King recently joined your ranks and lied about "Soviet Forgery", when the Soviet Union's state policy is known to be the exact opposite of what your friend insinuates. You're not only wrong, you're lying.
There are literally 138 countries where Holocaust denial is legal, including the one Rizoli lives in now. Some countries like Poland also cover The denial of communist crimes under the same law that criminalizes Holocaust denial. Rizoli's victim act is pathetic.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Holocaust_denial_is_legal
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You're very naive championing the brutal, psychopathic Soviets in their day. It would be FAR easier to find ANYTHING that proves they were honorable or humane, because IT DIDN'T EXIST. I suspect posting proof again wouldn't work because you don't READ proofs, just stick your fingers in your ears and blather platitudes. However, since you asked:
SOVIET FAKED DOCUMENTS: "Faked reports dealing with the purported death of Hitler began the deluge and these were followed by endless papers concerning the fate of Martin Bormann who the Soviets claimed was living somewhere in the West, probably protected by the insidious Americans. The same creative writers also heavily edited and enhanced the records of German Army Group Center, captured by their military units, when that entity was overrun during the war.
"The purpose of this exercise was to supply proof that German General Adolf Heusinger, nominated for a high NATO position, had been involved in war crimes on the Eastern Front during the course of the war. The KGB intermingled original, relatively unimportant documents with doctored or completely invented papers, released these through their agencies in the West and awaited the results. Fortunately, other period copies of the original documents were safe in German and American archives and comparisons quickly disclosed the fraudulent nature of the Heusinger attack. (See Security and reduced tension: On the occasion of the 70. birthday of general (ret.) Adolf Heusinger. 4 August 1967. Markus-Verlagsgesellschaft, Cologne 1967.)"
SOVIET FAKED DOCUMENTS: "Faked reports dealing with the purported death of Hitler began the deluge and these were followed by endless papers concerning the fate of Martin Bormann who the Soviets claimed was living somewhere in the West, probably protected by the insidious Americans. The same creative writers also heavily edited and enhanced the records of German Army Group Center, captured by their military units, when that entity was overrun during the war.
"The purpose of this exercise was to supply proof that German General Adolf Heusinger, nominated for a high NATO position, had been involved in war crimes on the Eastern Front during the course of the war. The KGB intermingled original, relatively unimportant documents with doctored or completely invented papers, released these through their agencies in the West and awaited the results. Fortunately, other period copies of the original documents were safe in German and American archives and comparisons quickly disclosed the fraudulent nature of the Heusinger attack. (See Security and reduced tension: On the occasion of the 70. birthday of general (ret.) Adolf Heusinger. 4 August 1967. Markus-Verlagsgesellschaft, Cologne 1967.)"
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Dr. Terry has addressed your blithering about the Army Group Center documents. The information in American archives match those in the Soviet archives, and the overall formatting is consistent between the two, ruling out any forgery. There are a few things you should keep in mind: The Korean War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam war and the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. In all of these cases, the US and the Soviets were on opposite sides, ruling out any possible collusion between the two powers in faking the documents in their custody.
And again, no. The soviets did not falsify any of the evidence for the Holocaust. They edited the official extraordinary commission reports for Babi Yar and other massacre sites, changing all references to the victims being "Jews" and labeling them as "Soviet citizens". They arrested the Jewish anti fascist committee and blocked the Publication of the black book of Russian Jewry, because they wanted to Bury the genocide against the Jews. Captured German documents like the Jaeger report were hidden away for the same reason they blocked the black book's publication. They had zero motive or interest in faking any evidence for the genocide of the Jews, therefore all of the evidence in their possession was 100% genuine.
You are lying. And you've repeated a lie that has already been called out.
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