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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Have you seen the video Spielbergs Hoax, The Last Days of the Big Lie? He made a movie about the holocaust survivors and all lie through their teeth....Human skin lampshades..... He knows it, yet still uses them in his movie and books.
 
muttkat said:
Have you seen the video Spielbergs Hoax, The Last Days of the Big Lie? He made a movie about the holocaust survivors and all lie through their teeth....Human skin lampshades..... He knows it, yet still uses them in his movie and books.
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Have you come to help Jim out?

How old is that video, anyway? I've never seen it myself.
 
muttkat said:
Have you seen the video Spielbergs Hoax, The Last Days of the Big Lie? He made a movie about the holocaust survivors and all lie through their teeth....Human skin lampshades..... He knows it, yet still uses them in his movie and books.
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Spielberg is a movie maker, not a historian. I do not get my history from Hollywood. I haven't seen his Last Days movie and don't wish to... I've heard about it only when deniers bang on about it.

I do agree that much of it seems to be BS, deliberate BS for dramatic effect and that Spielberg probably knows it too. He's not unique in that respect, Hollywood plays fast and loose with historical events all the time.

I can barely watch James Cameron's Titanic, simply because his horrible fictional characters and historical innacuracies ruin it for me.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Yes, thanks for catching that: the answer is simple - the ISF editor lost the formatting - both Ukraine and White Russia (etc), also part of the USSR, are meant to be indented and thus components of the USSR figure (otherwise you will come out 3.3 million too high). The breakout, I suspect, is because Ukraine and Belorussia were in separate German-controlled Reichskommissariat. Note that Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia - also incorporated into the USSR before the war - were broken out entirely separately. If you click the link, you will see the correct formatting. Apologies.
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OK, thans. that makes even more sense. The number of Jews for the USSR and Ukraine together seemed high to me.
 
JimRizoli said:
There are thousands of Jews that never seen or saw a gas chamber I have a witness accounts from people that I've interviewed who are Germans that lived amongst Jews during the war so for you to say that all the jews or most of them were inturned is a lie because I have evidence and facts showing that a lot of Jews functioned fine out of the camps another typical Hoohuxster lie to cover up the true facts
Do a search on YouTube for Diane King interviews German survivors and see what you come up with.

JR
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You are referring to Jews that were in mixed marriages or who were working in arms production. The facts do not match up with the picture you are attempting to scribble.
 
muttkat said:
Have you seen the video Spielbergs Hoax, The Last Days of the Big Lie? He made a movie about the holocaust survivors and all lie through their teeth....Human skin lampshades..... He knows it, yet still uses them in his movie and books.
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As stated earlier in the thread, Eric Hint has been totally discredited, and is not a acceptable source on this matter. You can no more refer to his ravings as reliable than you can refer to anti-vaxxers as scientific authorities.
 
Jeffk 1970 said:
Wrong. Completely, utterly wrong.

The first reparations payments were to assist the Isrealis in settling live European Jews in Isreal. It was in no way compensation for the dead Jews.
The payments themselves were controversial and there were protests. Many Isrealis wanted nothing to do with "German blood money."


You are wrong. You will continue to be wrong unless you show actual proof that these reparations included a clause for compensation of dead Jews.
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Menacham Begin staged a bombing attack out of opposition to German reparations payments. And as you said, they were in relation to living survivors, not to compensate for dead Jews as Jim stated. I wonder often wetter he bothers to read any source materiel at all or just shoots from the hip and uses his imagination lol
 
LemmyCaution said:
Actually, in the US there are two official holidays - one a federal holiday on which many businesses, schools, etc close - to honor those who fought in all US wars, including WWII. Memorial Day (which honors the war dead) and Veterans Day (which honors, er, veterans) are the occasions for parades, ceremonies, speeches and other such gatherings in cities and towns across the country. With the aging of WWII vets, at these occasions in recent years the focus has been on the war dead from that war and on people who fought in it.

In contrast to HDenier's assertions, veterans visit schools and conduct other educational programs. In my son's sixth grade year, one class assignment was for students to do oral history projects involving grandparents who had served in WWII or, if there were none in a student's family, interview other family members about the war years. HDenier appears to be making up some serious stuff in posts like that one. It is almost as thought HDenier has never even visited the US - and thus has not seen some of the many war memorials, monuments, and statues in many public squares, parks and other places.
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In my formative years we heard speeches given by veterans every year on remembrance day. On many occasions these vets would be open to engaging with us one on one. One had been in the SOE believe it or not, another had been a tanker in Normandy and another had been a Spitfire pilot in North Africa and Italy. Suffice to say it had a deep impression on all of us. We were visited by Holocaust survivors only twice in all my years of school, one was from an Austrian Jewish family and talked more about losing his sister than his own experiences. The other was Hungarian and had been deported to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944. She talked generally about what had happened, did not exaggerate, and stated that "not every German was a Nazi, and not every Nazi was a German". There were no mentions of soap or lampshades. The veteran to survivor ratio had to have been at least 10:1.

Once again, Joe is proven wrong on all counts.
 
A'isha said:
Says the guy who still hasn't explained his regurgitation of Rudolf's lies regarding the Vienna trial.
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Jim is doing is a grand service here. Allow me to explain. I would have never read anything Rudolf or any of his multiple personalities would have fever written were it not for Jim's spamming of it without further comment. I was amazed at the lack of research, the ripping of quotes from context, and the general low quality of the screed. Naturally, I assumed that Jim himself had written it. But no, German Rudolf, a man that deniers view in an almost idolatrous fashion, wrote that childish, refuted, d-league crayon scribbling. I honestly would have expected better from some meth-addled stormfront poster. Jim has aided us greatly in proving just how unbearably dense and shoddy Rudolf is, and that he is a compulsive liar.

So thanks Jim! :D
 
LeoMajor said:
Victor Kempler came to mind when I read the above post. I don't think he had a good time.
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Klemperer was in a mixed marriage, which kept him from being deported until February 1945, and and a forced laborer. He was slated for deportation from Dresden but his expulsion (presumably at that time to Theresienstadt) was disrupted by the famous Allied bombing of the city.

The Nazis had the darnedest time determining what to do with Jews in mixed marriages and Mischlinge, who were, after all, close relatives of "Aryan" Germans and thus "politically" sensitive. They never really decided on a course once and for all. Rigg's book Hitler's Jewish Soldiers gets tripped up on this issue - and deniers make it even worse in trying to use the book to make a case that Jews weren't persecuted.

Another individual who survived who comes to mind is Marianne Strauss, whose life is the subject of Roseman's A Past in Hiding, which is an excellent study of a Jewish family's fate in Germany during the '40s and describes the lengths Strauss went to in order to evade deportation, as her family were all sent east.
 
zooterkin said:
How odd. How then do you explain, to pick just one example, the 1973 TV series The World at War, which had an episode devoted to Genocide? I would add that while the details were shocking, they were not news at the time, so it wasn't the case that even this was the first people were hearing about the Holocaust. I mention this series because I happened to watch it at the time (and got the book), but I can also attest that knowledge of what had happened in the concentration and extermination camps was widespread. To suggest it was all made up in 1977 is so ludicrous that it beggars belief in anything else you might say.

Perhaps you meant to say that the American Nazi party was responsible for suggesting that the story of the Holocaust was a hoax?
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You know, I graduated from high school in 1974, and I remember learning about the holocaust in history classes prior to that. Of course, those are probably false memories implanted by evil Jews.
 
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