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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Jeffk 1970 said:
I've made this point to him before, for some reason he only considers German Jews.
I guess Jim doesn't realize that the Germans occupied other countries during the war.
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There are thousands of Jews that never seen or saw a gas chamber I have a witness accounts from people that I've interviewed who are Germans that lived amongst Jews during the war so for you to say that all the jews or most of them were inturned is a lie because I have evidence and facts showing that a lot of Jews functioned fine out of the camps another typical Hoohuxster lie to cover up the true facts
Do a search on YouTube for Diane King interviews German survivors and see what you come up with.

JR
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JimRizoli said:
There are thousands of Jews that never seen or saw a gas chamber I have a witness accounts from people that I've interviewed who are Germans that lived amongst Jews during the war so for you to say that all the jews or most of them were inturned is a lie because I have evidence and facts showing that a lot of Jews functioned fine out of the camps another typical Hoohuxster lie to cover up the true facts
Do a search on YouTube for Diane King interviews German survivors and see what you come up with.

JR
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First, I don't know why you think the SS gave guided tours of their extermination facilities. Just because a Jew or German never saw one does not mean they didn't exist, it just means they weren't allowed to see one. For example, the USAAF does not allow civilians to go poking around their nuclear arsenal. Does that mean that said weapons don't exist?
Second, I don't know why you think one of your YouTube videos would convince me of anything.
Third, I find it ironic that you use eyewitness testimony to make your point.
 
Ivanesca said:
Oh, you know. It's the usual denier obsession with the Jews. They're so obsessed with proving that they "lied" about the Holocaust that the deniers fail to grasp the surrounding historical context: German policy as a whole during WWII. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Well, if that is what he is getting at, it is beyond ridiculous. There were only ever about half a million Jews in Germany; Eichmann made an estimate in early 1942 of the number of Jews in Europe who were to be "eligible" for the Final Solution:
Approx. 11,000,000 Jews will be involved in this final solution of the European problem, they are distributed as follows among the countries: . . .

A Germany proper 131,800
Austria 43,700
Eastern territories 420,000
General Government 2,284,000
Bialystok 400,000
Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia 74,200
Estonia free of Jews
Latvia 3,500
Lithuania 34,000
Belgium 43,000
Denmark 5,600
France/ occupied territory 165,000
France/ unoccupied territory 700,000
Greece 69,600
Netherlands 160,800
Norway 1,300

B Bulgaria 48,000
England 330,000
Finland 2,300
Ireland 4,000
Italy including Sardinia 58,000
Albania 200
Croatia 40,000
Portugal 3,000
Rumania including Bessarabia 342,000
Sweden 8,000
Switzerland 18,000
Serbia 10,000
Slovakia 88,000
Spain 6,000
Turkey(European Turkey) 55,500
Hungary 742,800
USSR 5,000,000
Ukraine 2,994,684
White Russia with the exception of Bialystok 446,484

Total over 11,000,000
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Current demographic studies surely will refine Eichmann's estimates, but this roughly is the population the Germans meant to be subjecting to the Final Solution.
 
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JimRizoli said:
There are thousands of Jews that never seen or saw a gas chamber I have a witness accounts from people that I've interviewed who are Germans that lived amongst Jews during the war so for you to say that all the jews or most of them were inturned is a lie because I have evidence and facts showing that a lot of Jews functioned fine out of the camps another typical Hoohuxster lie to cover up the true facts
Do a search on YouTube for Diane King interviews German survivors and see what you come up with.

JR
CCFIILE.COM
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What logic! Because some Jews survived, all must have! Because some Jews were not in camps, none were! LOL
 
LemmyCaution said:
What logic! Because some Jews survived, all must have! Because some Jews were not in camps, none were! LOL
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Also, because Jews or Germans never saw a gas chamber they didn't exist.

I've never seen a nuclear warhead, I guess Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a hoax as well.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Well, if that is what he is getting at, it is beyond ridiculous. There were only ever about half a million Jews in Germany; Eichmann made an estimate in early 1942 of the number of Jews in Europe who were to be "eligible" for the Final Solution:
Current demographic studies surely will refine Eichmann's estimates, but this roughly is the population the Germans meant to be subjecting to the Final Solution.
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wasn't the Ukraine was part of the USSR? Why does that list distinguish Ukrainian Jews and USSR Jews?
 
Jeffk 1970 said:
What is your proof these rooms were not sealed tight?

Do you think you can't seal a room with windows?
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You can seal a room with windows. In the united states, we call it chalk. But Degeneve pointed out above, where are the windows?
 
CaptainHowdy said:
wasn't the Ukraine was part of the USSR? Why does that list distinguish Ukrainian Jews and USSR Jews?
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Yes, thanks for catching that: the answer is simple - the ISF editor lost the formatting - both Ukraine and White Russia (etc), also part of the USSR, are meant to be indented and thus components of the USSR figure (otherwise you will come out 3.3 million too high). The breakout, I suspect, is because Ukraine and Belorussia were in separate German-controlled Reichskommissariat. Note that Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia - also incorporated into the USSR before the war - were broken out entirely separately. If you click the link, you will see the correct formatting. Apologies.
 
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I'm very much interested how govts get defrauded of their money and in this case I'm reading about the Reparations that have been paid out....
the State of Israel was only founded in May 1948 and that the Jews were nationals of all states with the exception of Israel, in order to underline the enormity of this fraud which defies description in any language; Germany pays to Israel large sums of money which are calculated on six million dead, and on the other, since at least four-fifths of these six million were very much alive, which I've commented about before... at the end of the war, she is paying substantial sums by way of reparation to the victims of Hitler's Germany to those who are still alive in countries all over the world other than Israel and to the rightful claimants of those who have since deceased, which means that for the former (i.e. the six million), or in other words, for the vast majority, she is paying twice." Now why would that be happening? LOL
The HoloHoax pays and people make a ton of money on it.
The truth does not matter as long as the money keeps coming. Just my observations.
Everything is about money....

JR
 
LemmyCaution said:
Yes, thanks for catching that: the answer is simple - the ISF editor lost the formatting - both Ukraine and White Russia (etc), also part of the USSR, are meant to be indented and thus components of the USSR figure (otherwise you will come out 3.3 million too high). The breakout, I suspect, is because Ukraine and Belorussia were in separate German-controlled Reichskommissariat. Note that Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia - also incorporated into the USSR before the war - were broken out entirely separately. If you click the link, you will see the correct formatting. Apologies.
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A good snapshot is a report on statistics of Jewish losses and survivors, estimated by the Institute of Jewish Affairs in July 1945 using open sources (i.e. press reports). The census figures and population numbers by country added up to 9.6 million in the affected countries.

The estimated loss was 5.7 million, there were numerous inaccuracies in the smaller countries, but the big ones - Poland, USSR - were pretty much right, and it compares well with Hilberg's 5.1 million calculated 16 years later.
 
Jim,

You wrote:
JimRizoli said:
From what I’m reading there were not that many Jews even around most left by 1939.
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I posted that your comment was ludicrous, and quoted from Eichmann on how the Nazis understood the issue and what was their intent for the Final Solution. Nick Terry shared data that gives a more accurate estimate of Jewish population (and WWII population change) - these estimates are still very far from your statement.

Please explain. While you’re at it, please tell us what it was that you’ve been reading.


best, LC
 
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JimRizoli said:
Germany pays to Israel large sums of money which are calculated on six million dead, JR
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Dead wrong again! Germany pays for the survivors, not for the deads. Israel or the Jews have therefore no advantage to increase the figures of deads: http://www.spiegel.de/international...ivors-plan-suit-against-germany-a-480901.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany

You should not believe the garbage Faurisson (and probably others too) has written on this topic...
 
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JimRizoli said:
I'm very much interested how govts get defrauded of their money and in this case I'm reading about the Reparations that have been paid out....
the State of Israel was only founded in May 1948 and that the Jews were nationals of all states with the exception of Israel, in order to underline the enormity of this fraud which defies description in any language; Germany pays to Israel large sums of money which are calculated on six million dead, and on the other, since at least four-fifths of these six million were very much alive, which I've commented about before... at the end of the war, she is paying substantial sums by way of reparation to the victims of Hitler's Germany to those who are still alive in countries all over the world other than Israel and to the rightful claimants of those who have since deceased, which means that for the former (i.e. the six million), or in other words, for the vast majority, she is paying twice." Now why would that be happening? LOL
The HoloHoax pays and people make a ton of money on it.
The truth does not matter as long as the money keeps coming. Just my observations.
Everything is about money....

JR
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Wrong. Completely, utterly wrong.

The first reparations payments were to assist the Isrealis in settling live European Jews in Isreal. It was in no way compensation for the dead Jews.
The payments themselves were controversial and there were protests. Many Isrealis wanted nothing to do with "German blood money."


You are wrong. You will continue to be wrong unless you show actual proof that these reparations included a clause for compensation of dead Jews.
 
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