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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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You folks are a lost cause here here you go putting up pictures of fumigation chambers and calling them homicidal gas chambers....I guess you have no honor all in how much you can distort the truth.

Since you weren't there, and those who were testified to this, and plenty of evidence was found, including testimony from people at the camps, what makes you think we owe you any more evidence? What's your basis for ignoring said evidence?

I notice you've ignored every single post I've made addressing you, and this doesn't reflect very positively on your own "honour".
 
You folks are a lost cause here here you go putting up pictures of fumigation chambers and calling them homicidal gas chambers....I guess you have no honor all in how much you can distort the truth.
I'm curious how did the deadly gas get into this "sealed" room? Must of been fun getting all those dead bodies out one at a time....
The only thing killed in this room were lice...LOL


JR
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If it was impossible to make it into a homicidal gas chamber because "how could the gas get in", then surely it would've been impossible to make it into a delousing chamber as well. For the same reason, especially since higher amounts of ZB are required to kill lice compared to people.

I don't see why Rizoli's suddenly obsessed with how labor intensive it was to move bodies, since disposable Jewish slaves would've been the one to move them and not Rizoli's heroes.
 
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Rizoli seems to be a Clinton hater, too. I don't know what Hillary Rodham Clinton has to do with anything. But whatever floats Rizoli's boat.

He has yet to demonstrate any piece of evidence for the Holocaust fits his infantile Clinton fantasies. So far everyone has shown him certified German wartime documents and photographs as well as statements by both witnesesses and defendants who were rigorously cross examined by German courts. Rizoli's hollering is nothing compared to this.

It's a fake story. It has variously been circulated with the names Bush, Gore, Biden etc. substituted.
 
You folks are a lost cause here here you go putting up pictures of fumigation chambers and calling them homicidal gas chambers....I guess you have no honor all in how much you can distort the truth.
I'm curious how did the deadly gas get into this "sealed" room? Must of been fun getting all those dead bodies out one at a time....
The only thing killed in this room were lice...LOL


JR
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This is another example of the fallacy of moving goalposts. Degeneve provided these links up thread to answer and disprove Rizoli's repeated assertions of the gas chambers having "windows". Having disproven Rizoli's initial assertions, Rizoli changes the subject. Poor show. Very, very poor.
 
Have you seen his website?

He pretty much hates everyone.

Haven't seen it. Don't plan on doing so. I love myself and my various devices too much to poison myself by reading his and other denialist websites unless absolutely necessary. Nah, if he can't defend himself here, I don't really see the value of visiting his website
 
How do they explain the millions of Jews who survived?
Bottom line Under 500,000 Jews, camp internees died in all the camps while millions survived enough to collect reparations…..
Like 4 million of them, or so they say….of course many could be double dipping into that fund..
From what I’m reading there were not that many Jews even around most left by 1939.
It kinda reminds me of bus accidents in Boston the bus takes of with 20 people has an accident and 50 are reported on the bus….LOL
The Jews are the bus accident after the fact….

JR
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No it's this one....now notice what a real gas chamber door looks like next to it.
You obviously have no clue whats going on here.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...GDTI1TrgHaucoW_GDEBXDAbx_Sz-_bW1yEPTkIUyVbQfV


JR
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The picture is fascinating but has nothing to do with 1940's era Nazi gas chambers. US gas chambers are designed to execute one person at a time, not hundreds or thousands. The Nazis attempted to hide what they were doing for as long as possible and utilized existing blue prints for morgues converted to gas chambers.
Also, are you certain that the wooden door is original?
Pressac found a picture of a wooden door used at the Kremas:

http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=40016&sid=71cac4db8a6223b875f7f831b795f7da

Are you saying that dying people could get through this door?
 
You folks are a lost cause here here you go putting up pictures of fumigation chambers and calling them homicidal gas chambers....I'm curious how did the deadly gas get into this "sealed" room? . . . . The only thing killed in this room were lice...LOL


JR
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Your argument is self-contradictory: you imply that "deadly gas" could not be introduced into the pictured room, but then you say the room was used for disinfestation of lice.

First, let's note that you were unable to locate a window in the gas chambers; so you simply denied that the room was a gas chamber. What is your proof for your claim that the room was used only for delousing?

Second, as noted, you've confused yourself about whether gases were introduced into this room. Let me explain some of what is known about the room, in this regard: The killing agent, CO, was introduced into this chamber at Madjanek by means of pipes. The pipes led into the chamber from a small SS man's "cabin" just off the chamber, to its south. This is described in the first photo (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Majdanek_Komora_Gazowa.JPG) (on the sign in the photo and also the caption, "Carbon monoxide was fed with a tube from the SS-man's booth."). The pipe for CO is clearly visible in the 2nd photo (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...Concentration_Camp_-_Lublin_-_Poland_-_03.jpg).

Supporting sources:
* SS orderly August Reinartz told postwar investigators that "In the front, on the side of the entrance, there was a vestibule with equipment and a sight glass [the "cabin"]. The equipment had bottle connectors, i.e., pipes with fittings which could be attacked to something [the CO bottles]." Reinartz did not enter the chamber so did not see the pipes inside the dark room. (Kranz, The Extermination of Jews at Majdanek Concentration Camp, p 46)
* However, according to a postwar Polish-Soviet Commission report made in fall 1944 the chamber had pipes connecting back to the SS-man's booth: "Gas Chamber No. III is equipped with a gas pipe of galvanized iron, 1.5 inches in diameter. It spans the entire length of the room at a height of 30 cm above the concrete floor. Both ends of the pipe have openings through which the gas is discharged. These openings are protected with cast-ion gratings cemented into the wall. The pipe leads from the room where the gas bottles were stored / Equipment Room No. 14 / into the Gas Chamber." (Graf & Mattogno, Concentration Camp Majdanek, p 121)
* Pressac confirmed the existence of these pipes in his essay "The Deficiencies and Inconsistencies of 'The Leuchter Report'," p 52 (the chamber “has a CO infusion apparatus installed, with gas coming from the second steel bottle under the lean-to-roof outside. It consisted of a length of pipe . . . running along the inside of the south wall, 30 cm above the floor. The gas diffused out of either end of the tube through perforated steel plates. . . .”).
* A recent researcher, Mailänder, in Female SS Guards and Workaday Violence: The Majdanek Concentration Camp, 192-1944, p 173, also describes the single gas pipe that conveyed CO from the SS-man's cabin to this chamber.
* The general set-up and process were further summarized by Rajca & Wiśniewska, Majdanek Concentration Camp, p 24.

Prisoners in the Sonderkommando were forced to move the bodies from this chamber, same as with the one to its east; the Germans had experience forcing inmates to do heavy and ugly work like this, so they simply adapted methods to Majdanek.

You may have this room confused with others, such as so-called gas chamber IV in B&D I which was used for delousing or the stations in Interfield I. The room in the photos was in the bunker north of B&D I.

Would you care to provide us with evidence that the Nazis used CO to delouse clothing?
 
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How do they explain the millions of Jews who survived?
Bottom line Under 500,000 Jews, camp internees died in all the camps while millions survived enough to collect reparations…..
Like 4 million of them, or so they say….of course many could be double dipping into that fund..
From what I’m reading there were not that many Jews even around most left by 1939.
It kinda reminds me of bus accidents in Boston the bus takes of with 20 people has an accident and 50 are reported on the bus….LOL
The Jews are the bus accident after the fact….

JR
CCFIILE.COM

Not this again.

The "4 million" Rizoli touts does not refer to the number of Jewish Holocaust survivors. It refers rather to the number of Claims filed with the German government for reparation payments. See for yourselves

State payments made by the Federal Republic of Germany in the area of indemnification

One paragraph reads:

---- "In the period from 1 October 1953 to 31 December 1987 4,384,138 claims for indemnification in accordance with the Federal Amending Law for the indemnification of victims of National Socialist persecution (BErgG) of 18 September 1953 (BGBI (Federal Law Gazette).I page 1387), in accordance with the Federal Law to Indemnify Victims of National Socialist Persecution (Federal Indemnification Law - BEG) of 29 June 1956 (BGBI.I page 559) and in accordance with the Second Law on the Amendment of the Federal Indemnification Law (BEG-Final Law) of 14 September 1965 (BGBI.I page 1315), were made and resolved..."

In other words, the number includes but are not limited to
1) Jewish survivors
2)Non Jewish survivors of Nazi crimes
3) Multiple claims, due to initial claims being rejected for whatever reason.

It does not and was never intended to reflect the number of Jewish survivors.

Again, Rizoli is shown to be making things up.
 
How do they explain the millions of Jews who survived?
Bottom line Under 500,000 Jews, camp internees died in all the camps while millions survived enough to collect reparations…..
Like 4 million of them, or so they say….of course many could be double dipping into that fund..
From what I’m reading there were not that many Jews even around most left by 1939.

JR
CCFIILE.COM

What's to explain? Most of the world's Jews lived in Europe at that time, Jim, around 11,000,000. Even if the Nazis killed 5-6 million that still left 5-6 million. There were around 9,000,000 Jews in areas conquered by the Germans or held by their allies. There were 3,000,000 Jews living in Poland alone.

Around 1/2 of the victims were Polish Jews. Why do you say there were not many Jews left around?

I've asked you before about this "4,000,000," where are you getting this from? Does this include Jewish and non-Jewish applicants? Do you have a link for this information, a source I can look at?
 
Not this again.

The "4 million" Rizoli touts does not refer to the number of Jewish Holocaust survivors. It refers rather to the number of Claims filed with the German government for reparation payments. See for yourselves



In other words, the number includes but are not limited to
1) Jewish survivors
2)Non Jewish survivors of Nazi crimes
3) Multiple claims, due to initial claims being rejected for whatever reason.

It does not and was never intended to reflect the number of Jewish survivors.

Again, Rizoli is shown to be making things up.

I doubt Jim will bother to respond.
 
How do they explain the millions of Jews who survived?
There were about 11 million Jews according to Nazi data living in Europe during WWII. Not quite half these were killed. Some never fell under Nazi control. Of these, some fled the Nazis; others lived all along in countries which the Nazis didn't conquer. Some governments allied with the Nazis resisted going along with the Final Solution. As the Final Solution became more widely known, many Jews went into hiding. Part of the Final Solution involved forcing "fit" Jews to do slave labor; many of these people survived because the Nazis were defeated before they could be killed. The Final Solution was called off by Himmler, who eventually decided in the face of defeat to use the surviving Jews in bargaining with the Allies, in fall 1944 before the Jews in the Nazis' control had been exterminated. Basically, the Allies interrupted the mass murder. Where the Nazis had a period of uninterrupted control and a free hand, e.g., Poland or large parts of the occupied USSR, nearly all the local Jews were exterminated.
 
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How do they explain the millions of Jews who survived?
Bottom line Under 500,000 Jews, camp internees died in all the camps while millions survived enough to collect reparations…..

There were about 3.3 millions of Jews identified in Poland before the war. After the war there were only 300,000 left. Any idea of where the other went? With clear and verifiable evidence, of course...


From what I’m reading there were not that many Jews even around most left by 1939.

As a matter of fact this concerns only Germany and, to a lesser extent, Austria. And only a relatively small proportion of German Jews could flee their country before the war.

Polish, Russian, Ukrainian Jews, among others, did not even get the opportunity the flee. They were killed by firing squads, starvation or gassing...
 
From what I’m reading there were not that many Jews even around most left by 1939.

What are you reading? If it is about the Jews of Europe in the 1930s, it is wrong. You should read something else.
 
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He'll probably dismiss and ignore the fact that all Jews in Europe were targeted by the Nazis, and not just German Jews :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I've made this point to him before, for some reason he only considers German Jews.
I guess Jim doesn't realize that the Germans occupied other countries during the war.
 
I've made this point to him before, for some reason he only considers German Jews.
I guess Jim doesn't realize that the Germans occupied other countries during the war.

Oh, you know. It's the usual denier obsession with the Jews. They're so obsessed with proving that they "lied" about the Holocaust that the deniers fail to grasp the surrounding historical context: German policy as a whole during WWII. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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