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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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HDenier said:
LeoM, the gas chamber they show to millions of gullible goyim had walls at one time, had plumbing at one time and was across from a SS barracks. Not a good place for a supposed homicidal gas chamber and till this day has a flimsy wooden door with a glass pane window . The story is complete BS. David Cole exposed the whole thing, common sense exposes the lies to those who are honest to really think for themselves. I found this links exposing these lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2BiotDbhA#action=share
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Since HD and Jim are repeating ad nauseam the same BS it is maybe time to provide some information about David Olère. He was a French painter who has been an inmate at Auschwitz from March 1943 till January 1945 and is one of the very few survivors of Auschwitz Sonderkommando. Olère was a painter and after the war he has made drawings and paintings about his Auschwitz experience:

http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/resource/gallery/olere.htm

The second link (with comment în French only, unfortunately) provides visual information about Auschwitz and the daily tasks of the Sonderkommando members, in particular in its parts 2, 3 and 4. The drawings include a plan of Krema III where the gas chambers are located in the basement of the building (and thus with no Windows) and a external view of Krema III which perfectly matches with a picture taken by an SS guard in 1944. Some of the drawings also show a member of the Sonderkommando carrying dead bodies from the gas chamber to the crematorum where other inmates put them into the ovens. Once more it is possible to compare the drawings with a picturea taken by a SS guard in 1943. Olère's drawing also match with the testimonies provided by the few survivors and the Germans SS guards:

http://sonderkommando.info/index.php/sonderkommandos/les-temoignages/lart/david-olere
 
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carlitos said:
That's the guy I was referring to. Apologies if this wasn't clear, but I'm steering clear of calling him out by name, as I'd prefer not to communicate directly with a person that has his kind of issues.
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Ah, apologies, I misread your post.
 
HDenier said:
Why is it no one makes an issue about the so called Jewish "Kapos"
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Because, er, lots of people do - and have. Kapos and other so-called Jewish functionaries were tried in regular postwar trials as well as in what are known as Jewish honor courts. Here's a more in-depth article from the NY Times in the 1990s on a single former Kapo involving an OSI investigation and a federal court case in the US. Finally, this link will take you to a chapter on Israeli trials of Kapos, from a recent book (Michael Bazyler & Frank Tuerkheimer, Forgotten Trials of the Holocaust).

I have to correct one implication in your post: most Kapos and functionaries in the KLs were not Jews but rather political or criminal prisoners, usually from Germany. Also, unlike you, I believe that most of us can distinguish among perpetrators who established the KL system and the extermination program, those who voluntarily joined in, people forced to play roles in the systems the Germans set up, and people who performed their forced roles reluctantly and without cruelty vs those who abused others and took advantage of the system whilst in such roles - and most of us are able to assess responsibilities accordingly. There is a great deal of recent scholarly study of people in such positions in the systems set up by the Germans - also Jewish Council members and Jewish police in ghettos - emphasizing the shades of grey in their roles and behavior; Primo Levi's book, The Drowned and the Saved, explored this part of the Holocaust and used the concept "the grey zone" to characterize its ambiguities. Levi began writing this book IIRC in 1947 but it wasn't published until the mid-1980s.

Is The Drowned and the Saved among those books you still won't tell us about, you know, the ones on your shelves that you've spent good money on?
 
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HDenier said:
Right off the cuff, answer right now without searching..how many Americans died in WW2
How many Jews die in the holocaust?
You just answered my question.

And Yes, the holohoax outdoes Americas winning..what planet are you from?
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And yet, American World War II vets are frequently honored as the "greatest generation". Vets like Gene Rodenberry (Star Trek creator) and Stan Lee (Marvel Comics creator and co founder) have become world famous. Some of the first movies made about the war were The Longest Day and the Guns of Navarrone, mostly about American soldiers. These were made long before movies about the Holocaust.

You really don't know what you're talking about.
I would tell HDenier that the opposite was true: America's role in WWII has been overemphasized, resulting not only in the minimizing of the Holocaust but the entire Eastern War. It's because we see most of WWII from the American perspective that most people (including Rizoli and HDenier) associate the Holocaust with the US/British liberated western camps like Buchenwald, Dachau and Belsen. Even though the majority of inmates at these places were not Jews, and that Jews only started to make up a large percentage towards the end of the war. The US did not liberate Auschwitz, the ghettoes, the AR camps or stumble across the EG massacre sites where the majority of the victims died, which is why these are relatively unknown in the mainstream media, and why American deniers such as Rizoli and HDenier are not aware of and avoid these topics.

HDenier is not of this world, apparently.
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Ivanesca said:
And yet, American World War II vets are frequently honored as the "greatest generation". Vets like Gene Rodenberry (Star Trek creator) and Stan Lee (Marvel Comics creator and co founder) have become world famous. Some of the first movies made about the war were The Longest Day and the Guns of Navarrone, mostly about American soldiers. These were made long before movies about the Holocaust.

You really don't know what you're talking about.
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Actually, in the US there are two official holidays - one a federal holiday on which many businesses, schools, etc close - to honor those who fought in all US wars, including WWII. Memorial Day (which honors the war dead) and Veterans Day (which honors, er, veterans) are the occasions for parades, ceremonies, speeches and other such gatherings in cities and towns across the country. With the aging of WWII vets, at these occasions in recent years the focus has been on the war dead from that war and on people who fought in it.

In contrast to HDenier's assertions, veterans visit schools and conduct other educational programs. In my son's sixth grade year, one class assignment was for students to do oral history projects involving grandparents who had served in WWII or, if there were none in a student's family, interview other family members about the war years. HDenier appears to be making up some serious stuff in posts like that one. It is almost as thought HDenier has never even visited the US - and thus has not seen some of the many war memorials, monuments, and statues in many public squares, parks and other places.
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Actually, in the US there are two official holidays - one a federal holiday on which many businesses, schools, etc close - to honor those who fought in all US wars, including WWII. Memorial Day (which honors the war dead) and Veterans Day (which honors, er, veterans) are the occasions for parades, ceremonies, speeches and other such gatherings in cities and towns across the country. With the aging of WWII vets, at these occasions in recent years the focus has been on the war dead from that war and on people who fought in it.
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True. Meanwhile the US only has one national holiday to remember the Holocaust. Yeah, HDenier is seriously making stuff up. Maybe he isn't as "American" as I thought.
 
HDenier said:
Right off the cuff, answer right now without searching..how many Americans died in WW2
How many Jews die in the holocaust?
You just answered my question.
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Jeffk 1970 answered this in post 846.

How many Canadians died?

And Yes, the holohoax outdoes Americas winning..what planet are you from?

How many holocaust museums are in the USA vs monuments to dead Americas and money spent? The holohoax has MILLIONS devoted to it PLUS every school is indoctrinated with these old fart holohauxters going in there with their soap, skin lampshade stories of propaganda.They continue to spread their BS even though they themselves were treated well and lived and survived. After they started reading others BS stories did they bring those stories into their fairy tale lives of false memories...
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I believe the US has 1 holocaust museum and every US town I've ever visited had a cenotaph at a minimum to their war dead. Are you sure you've been to the US?

Study the subject False Memory Syndrome and you will get educated..
Beautifully covered here, Everything I wanted to say and MORE is mentioned here.
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t15246/
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False Memory Syndrome is not a recognized mental condition by actual doctors. Whatever stormfront has to say about it is irrelevant.

Do the schools have American servicemen of WW2 going into them year after year explaining WW2?, Case closed here, you loose....The holohoax is the biggest propaganda fraud and lie other than explaining the Godhead in the whole world...
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Don't know for certain about the US, but I know up here in Canada vets speak to school children all the time. There are fewer talks from WWII vets, but that is more to do with them being in their 90s than anything else. My oldest son has had exactly one talk from a Holocaust survivor, but has had veterans speak to his class over 8 times.

As for propaganda - when its supported by physical and documentary evidence we call it "fact" dear.
 
HDenier said:
Between Resistance & Martyrdom, Jehovah's Witnesses in the Third Reich, by Detlef Garbe, Published is association with the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

It seems the Jews make the concentration issue only about them as usual.
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You cite a book published in association with the USHMM about the Nazi persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses, and in the very next sentence assert that "the Jews make the concentration issue only about them as usual"? Is your neck okay from that whiplash?

In any case, the book certainly does talk about the mass murder of the Jews and others, specifically calling Auschwitz-Birkenau an "extermination camp" and describing how Max Liebster was housed with Jehovah's Witnesses at Neuengamme before being transferred to Auschwitz, where he survived both the selection process and the horrific slave labor at Auschwitz III Monowitz before being baptized as a Jehovah's Witness at Buchenwald shortly after it was liberated. Liebster later, with Adolph Arnold, founded an organization dedicated to memorializing Jehova's Witness victims of the Holocaust.

The book you cite was also published in association with that organization (which, along with the USHMM, provided grants), and on their website you can find Liebster describing how he managed to avoid death in the very gas chambers you deny existed.
 
Border Reiver said:
Don't know for certain about the US, but I know up here in Canada vets speak to school children all the time.
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As a vet I have been asked to speak at the local HS three times so far on my own experiences in the military and of my father and his six brothers who fought in WWII and my GF who was wounded in WWI. I also speak each year on July 4th to summer and foreign students on the meaning of that holiday.

Having veterans speak to students is quite common in the US I remember Senator Inouye of Hawaii coming to my 8th grade class and talking about his experience as a Nisei fighting in Italy.
 
Holocaust and Rewriting History

This is funny story on how history can be rewritten to be just the opposite of the events happening....
Now apply this to the Holocaust......a story that they say actually started out bad but really eneded up good because of the lies being shown to be lies....


When posting here on the Skeptoids page and reading all the replies from the HoloHuxsters this story came to mind....Enjoy.....

How To Write History HoloHoax style....

Hillary, an amateur genealogical researcher, discovered that her great-great uncle, Remus Rodham, a fellow lacking in character, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889.

The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription:

"Remus Rodham; horse thief,...
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JR
 
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Ivanesca said:
Is this the same door whose "window" is protected by a metal mesh cage on the inside? To stop people inside from breaking the glass? Sure sounds like a necessary feature for a gas chamber to me.
https://cdn1.nyt.com/images/2016/06/15/arts/15EVIDENCEROOM3SUB/15EVIDENCEROOM2SUB-articleLarge.jpg
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No it's this one....now notice what a real gas chamber door looks like next to it.
You obviously have no clue whats going on here.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...GDTI1TrgHaucoW_GDEBXDAbx_Sz-_bW1yEPTkIUyVbQfV


JR
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Degeneve said:
Could you explain where the Windows are on this picture?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Majdanek_Komora_Gazowa.JPG

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...Concentration_Camp_-_Lublin_-_Poland_-_03.jpg
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You folks are a lost cause here here you go putting up pictures of fumigation chambers and calling them homicidal gas chambers....I guess you have no honor all in how much you can distort the truth.
I'm curious how did the deadly gas get into this "sealed" room? Must of been fun getting all those dead bodies out one at a time....
The only thing killed in this room were lice...LOL


JR
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JimRizoli said:
This is funny story on how history can be rewritten to be just the opposite of the events happening....
Now apply this to the Holocaust......a story that they say actually started out bad but really eneded up good because of the lies being shown to be lies....


When posting here on the Skeptoids page and reading all the replies from the HoloHuxsters this story came to mind....Enjoy.....

How To Write History HoloHoax style....

Hillary, an amateur genealogical researcher, discovered that her great-great uncle, Remus Rodham, a fellow lacking in character, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889.

The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription:

"Remus Rodham; horse thief, ...

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JR
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Rizoli seems to be a Clinton hater, too. I don't know what Hillary Rodham Clinton has to do with anything. But whatever floats Rizoli's boat.

He has yet to demonstrate any piece of evidence for the Holocaust fits his infantile Clinton fantasies. So far everyone has shown him certified German wartime documents and photographs as well as statements by both witnesesses and defendants who were rigorously cross examined by German courts. Rizoli's hollering is nothing compared to this.
 
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