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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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Another holohoax fraud where people lives were put in the balance.



The beasts of Buchenwald : Karl & Ilse Koch, human-skin lampshades, and the war-crimes trial of the century / Flint Whitlock

Again the lampshades is a "MYTH" yet Miss Koch was tried for these lies. She had no idea what these accusations were about when she was tried. The holohoax liars just made up this stuff...The soap crap is still presented as evidence on the USHMM.org web site.

the book I referenced that most of you laughed at about, the skin lampshades is still referenced at the USHMM,org web site....


of course they say the "ALLEGED" notice the words people.
German civilians are forced to look at a display in the Buchenwald concentration camp of tattoos and a lampshade allegedly made from human remains.…



Keep the holohoax myths and lies coming you "skeptics"...and you ask me to believe your holohoax contradictory nonsense.....lol....

Ilse Koch was released when the British? I think? Reviewed her case and found no substance in the whole "skin lampshade" charge.
Make sure to include the whole story, HD.

This is a correction, the American General Lucious Clay released Koch after reviewing her case and deciding the items were made from goat skin. The West Germans arrested her after her release.
 
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Jeff....I'm still waiting for a picture of a real live homicidal gas chamber, a person who was killed in one, pictures of mass graves with millions of bodies.
Seems to be a reasonable request.....the links and pics you're showing are laughable.
Try using them in a court of law and see how far you get.

JR

Just to clarify: do you really think that a court of law cannot work properly without pictures?

How did they do then before the invention of photography?
 
What is "absolute nonsense?"

Zyclon B was a common pesticide, Jim. It was used in orchards, office buildings, submarines, grain silos.

I can't post links yet. Could someone please help Jim with this?
 
Absolute nonsense!

Then you have the nerve to turn this all around and ask us to prove it didn't happen! Thats like saying prove men didn't land on Mars.....Ok, they didn't.
You sure wouldn't last in a courtroom.....You HoloHuxsters only survive here because you bully all the wimps into submission, sorry guys aint going to happen with us.

JR

If the scientific and historical consensus was that people had landed on Mars, then it would be up to you to prove that it hadn't happened.

In the matter at forum, you have made the contention that the Holocaust did not happen - a claim which is contrary to the weight of historical evidence - and then have done nothing to prove your claim.

Instead what you have done is dismissed any and all of the evidence that has been shown to you, or ignored the evidence that is contrary to your assertions. In keeping with your courtroom analogy you're at the "when both the evidence and the law are against you, pound on the table" stage.

The evidence of the Holocaust is overwhelming - over 10 million people were systematically killed using a wide variety of means. Your personal incredulity does not affect this, nor does not it make it go away.

At the end of the day, all you are acting like is a little child standing up during a family dinner and swearing - you just want attention from the grown ups, and figure that negative attention is just as good as positive attention.
 
Who cares where they wound up

Soap and skin gloves are irrelevant, HD. They do not prove or disprove the Holocaust. Much like the denier obsession over Elie Wiesel's tattoo or Anne Frank's Diary.

I'll tell you what, HD. Why don't you show us your evidence on where the Jewish transports wound up? Most "revisionist" theories state these transports wound up in the Soviet Union. Where is the evidence for this?
The soap, skin, gloves is part of the narrative to make the Germans seem like demons. Its a major part of a psychological mind game to destroy Germans, and guess what? it worked. Those stories just stuck the nail deeper for gullible people to accept. WITHOUT these stories the Jews were treated just like other prisoners. They captivity wasn't pleasant but they weren't on the extermination list. Jehovah's Witnesses had a much greater problem than the Jews. I have a 700 page book discussing their plight and nowhere in the major text are gas chambers mentioned and these people were right along some of these Jews in the camps.

I could care less about your Jewish transports concerns, like it was all about just Jews as always. That is your story to tell. I've showed many many lies the whole holohoax narrative has made. That fact in itself would make you skeptics start asking more questions. You don't need lies and myths to make your story if was was the truth from the beginning..

The holohoax is like Domestic abuse but with the lady going to court lieing all the time against her faithful wonderful husband. She makes up false stories because she was the unfaithful one, the evil bitch, to make the man look bad and guess what, she usually wins. The holohoax is nothing more than domestic abuse against the public by the Jews. Their lies are being exposed as we, the public review the court ( holohoax ) records, and they are not happy about it, just like some of you aren't happy with it.

Your information you ask is just to take everyone off the trail of the myths and lies...nice try....

Th Jews have hijacked WW2 and made it their story, and one filled with lies as is expected...America was in that war, are you knowledgeable about how many AMERICANS died in that war? I wasn't, WHY? Because of the 6 million BS nonsense. The Jews story and their live even became more important than American lives...Wake up people.. :mad:
 
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Th Jews have hijacked WW2 and made it their story, and one filled with lies as is expected...America was in that war, are you knowledgeable about how many AMERICANS died in that war? I wasn't, WHY? Because of the 6 million BS nonsense. The Jews story and their live even became more important than American lives...Wake up people.. :mad:

Really, you're alleging that America's role in WWII and the winning thereof has been suppressed in favour of the Holocaust? What planet are you from?
 
It has to be trolling... .
Has to be. Seriously:

holohoax posters seem to be loosing this argument.
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( how's my spelling )

If the holocaust was such a big event as LM says why was the FIRST museum opened In 1993?

The claims in the quoted material don't make sense. It would help readers (two have already complained, and I now I am doing so) deal with such discrepancies if you had provided a source for what you quoted - not doing so is quite discourteous.
That poster has only 5 posts as I write this, and you cannot post links until 15 posts are accepted. They could post "whatever dot com slash whatever" though.
 
What is "absolute nonsense?"

Zyclon B was a common pesticide, Jim. It was used in orchards, office buildings, submarines, grain silos.

I can't post links yet. Could someone please help Jim with this?

wikipedia said:
Zyklon B (German pronunciation: [tsykloːn ˈbeː]; anglicized /ˈzaɪklɒn ˈbiː/[citation needed] or translated Cyclone B) was the trade name of a cyanide-based pesticide invented in Germany in the early 1920s. It consisted of hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid), a cautionary eye irritant, and one of several adsorbents such as diatomaceous earth. The product is infamous for its use by Nazi Germany during the Holocaust to murder a million people in gas chambers installed at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, and other extermination camps.

Hydrogen cyanide, a poisonous gas that interferes with cellular respiration, was first used as a pesticide in California in the 1880s. Research at Degesch of Germany led to the development of Zyklon (later known as Zyklon A), a pesticide which released hydrogen cyanide upon exposure to water and heat. It was banned after a similar product was used by Germany as a chemical weapon in World War I. In 1922, Degesch was purchased by Degussa, where a team of chemists that included Walter Heerdt (de) and Bruno Tesch developed a method of packaging hydrogen cyanide in sealed canisters along with a cautionary eye irritant and adsorbent stabilizers. The new product was also named Zyklon, but it became known as Zyklon B to distinguish it from the earlier version. Uses included delousing clothing and disinfecting ships, warehouses, and trains.

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Firms in several countries continue to produce Zyklon B under alternative brand names, including Detia-Degesch, the successor to Degesch, who renamed the product to Cyanosil in 1974.

It's worth noting that the wikipedia article does not claim that 6 million people were murdered using "bug spray." No one has made that claim, so it's unclear why someone would pretend to argue against it.
 
".yup that about sums it up. LOL
Yup....Six million fools killed in fake gas chambers, with bug spray..couldn't get any better than that. Of course we do have a UFO sighting by Kurt Gerstein who saw a 120 ft pile high of clothing, and lets not forget that 75 ft hing pile of shoes to go with the clothing."

Where have I heard that before??????

Jim, where are you getting the "6 million killed with bug spray?" I really want to know.
 
I have a 700 page book discussing their plight and nowhere in the major text are gas chambers mentioned and these people were right along some of these Jews in the camps.

Could you provide us with the title of this book?
 
Where have I heard that before??????

Jim, where are you getting the "6 million killed with bug spray?" I really want to know.

I posted this by hitting the "quote" button at the bottom right of your post. If you do this, it will be much easier for others to follow who and what you are quoting.
 
the book I referenced that most of you laughed at about, the skin lampshades is still referenced at the USHMM,org web site....
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/bib212797
So what?

Of course, no one here has cited this book as holding any value. The USHMM collection, like, er, collections, has lots of odd titles without approving their contents. The Kirkus review of Jacobson's book notes that "The official position of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is that the lampshade is a myth." So the USHMM has weighed in on this particular title, at least to one reviewer - whoopsie, to two reviewers ("KALISH: Despite the many stories and the film footage, the use of skin for lampshades is largely seen as mythology, something Mark Jacobson discovered when he tried to donate the lampshade to the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.")

You do know that Koch's conviction on the grounds of the lampshade was later reversed, right? From Wikipedia: "After her conviction for war crimes, General Lucius D. Clay, the interim military governor of the American Zone in Germany, reduced her sentence to four years' prison on the grounds 'there was no convincing evidence that she had selected Nazi concentration camp inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins, or that she possessed any articles made of human skin'."

You're making a total bollocks of this. Why not just list off the many Holocaust books you say you've spent good money on and identify those which crossover with the list of a dozen books I provided you? That will keep you from digging your hole deeper.
 
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I have a 700 page book discussing their plight and nowhere in the major text are gas chambers mentioned and these people were right along some of these Jews in the camps.
Citation please.

Th Jews have hijacked WW2 and made it their story, and one filled with lies as is expected...
To remind you: Nazi criminality was not reserved for the European Jews. Examples cited earlier in this post.

America was in that war, are you knowledgeable about how many AMERICANS died in that war? I wasn't, WHY? Because of the 6 million BS nonsense. The Jews story and their live even became more important than American lives...Wake up people.. :mad:
I have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever attended a Memorial Day ceremony? Please elaborate on what you're trying to say.
 
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Absolute nonsense!
Now let them show us how it works in a real room....guess what they can't!

Well, it works just like the same way it works in US gas chambers in the States which have decided to use this mean for capital punishment...
 
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That poster has only 5 posts as I write this, and you cannot post links until 15 posts are accepted. They could post "whatever dot com slash whatever" though.
Sources need not be links or even online. A simple citation will do. Posting someone else's material without citation is beyond discourteous - as is making claims without facilitating readers in checking them.

In this case, I was able to find the material online, but I didn't know if it was online or not from the post - all we were told is that it was "A small blurb of info." I myself cite material regularly that doesn't appear on the web. It is easy for me to give an author and book title/page number when I do - I am not asking for standard academic citation formats, simply a way to find and check on claims.
 
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It's worth noting that the wikipedia article does not claim that 6 million people were murdered using "bug spray." No one has made that claim, so it's unclear why someone would pretend to argue against it.

Because Jim Rizoli has made the claim a number of times. Here's one of those times. And another. You should take this up with Jim Rizoli.
 
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