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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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abaddon said:
. . . The 238K figure comes from the feverish thoughts (if such they can be so described) of deniers. . . .
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Actually - my memory refreshed a bit - maybe from Ike - and since then used as a strawman by deniers? Long since "revised" based on more accurate investigations.
 
JimRizoli said:
238,000 from here not that it matters to you..
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/how-many-prisoners-were-murdered-at-dachau/

JR
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Jim, I asked for the source, which clearly mattered to me, or I wouldn't have asked it - and, as you can see, I replied to your rather bewildering link; but please do not continue to try childish insults like this and to make snarkish assumptions about me or other members of this discussion forum. It does matter to me, and you don't know differently. Best, LC
 
It really takes a certain sort of chutzpah to use your own blatherings as a "source."
 
LemmyCaution said:
Actually - my memory refreshed a bit - maybe from Ike - and since then used as a strawman by deniers? Long since "revised" based on more accurate investigations.
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The given figure is in the region of 30K.

Deniers don't care. 30,000 deaths don't matter to them. To them, 30,000 deaths is a good thing. It matters not a whit whether they were jews at all. If Hitler said they must die, then it must be a good thing. Hitler must always be right. Like he was right about Stalingrad.

Most of the Dachau victims were not jews anyway. How do they feature that?

Is it , in their mind, acceptable to butcher one's political opponents? Their answer seems to be yes.

Does this not preclude playing the freedom of speech card? Of course it does.
 
abaddon said:
The given figure is in the region of 30K.

Deniers don't care. 30,000 deaths don't matter to them. To them, 30,000 deaths is a good thing. It matters not a whit whether they were jews at all. If Hitler said they must die, then it must be a good thing. Hitler must always be right. Like he was right about Stalingrad.

Most of the Dachau victims were not jews anyway. How do they feature that?

Is it , in their mind, acceptable to butcher one's political opponents? Their answer seems to be yes.

Does this not preclude playing the freedom of speech card? Of course it does.
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Indeed. DianeKayKing is hopelessly confused about the number of deaths, the Jewish death toll, and by implication the nature of the Dachau camp. I finally decided to do DianeKayKing's work for her and to google some phrases from her post to locate the source - and it appears that her source was the equally confused - and monstrously dishonest - Harwood from Did 6 Million Really Die? Worthless junk.

I guess it beats reading from the Rizoli's FramGovFreed user group - but not by a lot.
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Actually - my memory refreshed a bit - maybe from Ike - and since then used as a strawman by deniers? Long since "revised" based on more accurate investigations.
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And allow me to add. When one visits the place, it is eerie. I don't know who came up with that number TBH.

This is what was actually done there. Inmates were tested unto death by sub-zero submersion unto death, oxygen deprivation unto death, and so forth.

I could post footage of such, but I decline to do so, it is simply too distressing to watch some emaciated guinea pig slowly die in agony.
 
Thanks to all the good folks here who are taking the time to again debunk this old material about the holocaust. Watching it I am reminded of a lame Gish gallop that is more like a one legged-stumble.

The level of anti-holocaust argument here is so inept as to be at a cartoon level. I debunk a lot of pseudo archaeology and the stuff Jim, HD and Diane, etc., seems at the same level of sophistication as Daniken and Sitchin was to archaeology. Painfully amateurish science/history garbage.

Thanks guys.
 
Border Reiver said:
Not that you'll follow the link, read it or actually learn, but Dachau never had a gas chamber, nor has anyone claimed it had.
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That's what you say now but that's not what people have been saying for all these years they claimed there was a gas chamber there, in fact they claim they were gas Chambers in most of the German camps. Then the revisionist got wind of it all then exposed the lies and they abandon that theory and just said that the gas Chambers were used in the Poland camps so the story gets changed every now and then and the Dumbo Goyim believe it.

JR
 
The revisionists got hold of Dachau in April, 1945? Or further back to 1933 and the Reich's records?

You can point to official or academic sources for your claim that "people said" there were gas chambers at Dachau?
 
Hans said:
Thanks to all the good folks here who are taking the time to again debunk this old material about the holocaust. Watching it I am reminded of a lame Gish gallop that is more like a one legged-stumble.

The level of anti-holocaust argument here is so inept as to be at a cartoon level. I debunk a lot of pseudo archaeology and the stuff Jim, HD and Diane, etc., seems at the same level of sophistication as Daniken and Sitchin was to archaeology. Painfully amateurish science/history garbage.

Thanks guys.
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It is quite remarkable, for me at least, that Jim and his gang seem to be stuck in the earliest days of denial. Most of their memes have been long debunked. IIRC he was spamming from Faurisson at SSF like it was some breaking news.
 
JimRizoli said:
...http://nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html

I'm sure some of you skeptoids know the truth but refuse to accept it.
Or I hate to say have some cognitive issues you're dealing with.

JR
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Yawn ...another link to Fred Berg. Or is he going by Fritz now? Didn't you interview him? Oh well, no matter.

Good Ol' Fred. No conflict of interest there. No irrational hatred, just good science ...

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.de/2011/04/another-instructive-statement.html
 
JimRizoli said:
Can I like any race or hate any race?
Or do I have to like all the races you do?
By the way Jews aren't a race as much as they like to think they are.
But they sure act like one when it comes to people criticizing them.

I'm an equal opportunity race hater....If you do bad things representing your race then you get my hate...

JR
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You actually do bad things as a person of Italian descent.

However, I don't classify all people of Italian ancestry as Racists, Anti-Semites, and Neo-Nazi's, just because you are those things.
 
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robertovila said:
You actually do bad things as a person of Italian descent.

However, I don't classify all people of Italian ancestry as Racists, Anti-Semites, and Neo-Nazi's, just because you are those things.
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Or Americans who say such things.......
 
LemmyCaution said:
Jim, I asked for the source, which clearly mattered to me, or I wouldn't have asked it - and, as you can see, I replied to your rather bewildering link; but please do not continue to try childish insults like this and to make snarkish assumptions about me or other members of this discussion forum. It does matter to me, and you don't know differently. Best, LC
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I'm kind of curious what was snarky that I used about you I don't really know what that word means I have an opinion I stated my opinion if you don't like my opinion then very sorry you don't like it but that's the way it is. I'm still waiting for you to show me where the mass bodies are buried with pictures you don't have the pictures but you expect me to believe in something that people said happened when they don't show it happened what do you think I'm stupid and if you say I am and I'm going to complain about you.

JR
 
LemmyCaution said:
A Berg bites cop story, starring Sgt Thomas Dalton. Nothing irrational here, most people bite a police officer at least once during their lives. Don't they?
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What does Bergs biting somebody have anything to do with this site. I really don't care anything about Bergs habits what he reads what he does as long as he post things that expose the chosen ones in their lives that they've been spreading all these years about gas Chambers that don't exist.
I love how you try to take the topic to go in a different direction when you're losing the argument.

JR
 
Originally Posted by HDenier View Post
. . . Notice the comment
"Unlike the last transport to arrive at the camp, which had been sent immediately to the gas chamber,
HD says:
How would they know that? That statement is a complete lie. It didn't happen. . . . .
LC says:
How would you know that? Show us, using evidence, how the website told "a complete lie."

Because there were NO HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBERS....you have to prove there were not me....

My point of that narrative was the kid was treated humanely by the German guard. It wasn't a death camp. The train going to the gas chamber BS was added by the holohoax liars...
Why do I have to prove the holohoax lie?..lol.....You prove it. Get the day, year, people on board that went to these suppossed gas chambers.....good luck.....
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It just shows he's an unhinged bigot posing as a scientist. But by all means, use your ... eh ... considerable influence and invite him over here.
 
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