Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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Vixen said:
I chanced across one account of the case which was about 16 pages long and the characters names kept changing, it was full of inaccuracies and poor details and yet the author was charging IIRC about $3. Amazingly, it was and is still selling well. That's cashing in. It's good amazon do refunds.

You are wrong. The court records do not corroborate Waiting to be heard or Honor Bound. If you download Liz Houle's book, you will discover that WTBH factually does not match the facts. It is a pack of lies, which should give you some warning as to its writer's claimed 'innocence'. In fact, it deliberately misleads the reader on key issues, such as the times of the phonecalls and sequence of events. This is why Liz and James' books are important in setting the record straight for the interested public.

Wasn't Christopher Robinson flogging his book on the back of Amanda Knox publicity?

Have a word with LondonJohn about his insistence in bringing linguistics into it. (BTW LJ I have two Institute of Linguists certificates, too. this time from a course at London University SSEES. Eat your heart out.)
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You should consider getting your money back.

Re: Liz Houle. What is it about Astrologers who are writing about this!? Even if WTBH was filled with lies - Italy has exonerated the pair.
 
Vixen the reason no PGP post here anymore is because the case has been solved and all of their arguments have been destroyed by the evidence. When presented with this to their face they get anxious, realize their delusion is being shattered, and remove the offending stimuli from their sight because it makes them uncomfortable. They have a seething gut hatred of Amanda and it does them no good if they find out she's actually innocent.

But you're unique in that your arguments are demolished but you remain unphased. Like it has been carefully explained to you that a postal police arrival time of 12:35 is impossible, the CCTV clock was proven to be at least 8 minutes slow, Filomena's friends couldn't have arrived a minute before 12:55, and Meredith couldn't have gotten a home before 8:55. When faced with this you simply shrug and then the next time the subject comes up you will say "The postal police checked their watch while talking to Amanda and noted that it was 12:35."

It's unique to be totally unphased by basic facts or reasoning as if they were never posted at all. Why do you post here? Why not just start a blog?
 
Planigale said:
This is a good example of the judge acting as an expert of experts, something that the supreme court said is not allowed. mass has no competence to decide whether the hyoid bone would resist a knife. The hyoid is actually what would be termed free floating it is held in place only by the muscles attached to it. The bone would either be cut or move. It is not like a rib held rigidly in place. Here I can claim more competence than Massei.
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No, this was the opinion of one of the expert forensic pathologists.
 
Planigale said:
The critical evidence that identified Guede and placed him at the time and place of the murder was his bloody handprint. Discard all the DNA and this would be adequate to convict.
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That identified him as being there (as did Amanda's shed epithilial (_sp?) cells in the sink mixed with Mez' DNA/blood). As you know, he claimed he was helping Mez', so in itself the hand print meant nothing. He claimed to have a plausible explanation for the DNA elsewhere on her body. Thus the DNA on the cuff gave rise to the prosecution, which Massei accepted, reconstructing the murder scene positing that Rudy must have been the one who restrained her.

I note you don't consider this part conjecture. However, the jumper was collected the same time as the bra clasp. If you reject the bra-clasp DNA, you must reject the jumper DNA.
 
Planigale said:
Gill worked for the UK forensic science service. He developed the technique to catch criminals. The whole point was that the forensic science service was not a police operation and so was independent. The problem with Steffanoni is she is a police officer - she has a uniform and everything - working for the police in a police laboratory; she lost independence.
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That's poor reasoning. The London police forensics team are employed by the Met Police. Are you seriously claiming all these hard working scientists and ballistics experts are all corrupt?
 
Bill Williams said:
You should consider getting your money back.

Re: Liz Houle. What is it about Astrologers who are writing about this!? Even if WTBH was filled with lies - Italy has exonerated the pair.
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Do you think it is honest for Amanda to cash in on a book packed with lies and designed to save her skin and smear the Italians?

So Liz is an astrologist. I myself once studied astrology to a high level, I used to make a point of popping into the Astrology Shop in Covent Garden to chat with its owner, an eminent British astrologer, whenever I was in the area. I don't know why or how, but it seems to work.

Liz' book about the Manipulative Memoir of Amanda Knox has nothing at all to do with astrology.
 
Vixen said:
That identified him as being there (as did Amanda's shed epithilial (_sp?) cells in the sink mixed with Mez' DNA/blood). As you know, he claimed he was helping Mez', so in itself the hand print meant nothing. He claimed to have a plausible explanation for the DNA elsewhere on her body. Thus the DNA on the cuff gave rise to the prosecution, which Massei accepted, reconstructing the murder scene positing that Rudy must have been the one who restrained her.

I note you don't consider this part conjecture. However, the jumper was collected the same time as the bra clasp. If you reject the bra-clasp DNA, you must reject the jumper DNA.
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Vixen why would you post this? Why can't you just accept the case was too weak and move on?
 
bagels said:
Vixen why would you post this? Why can't you just accept the case was too weak and move on?
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You do know Rudy has asked for a review ,with a view to annullment, based on the outcome for your heroes?

Are you satisfied that all three perps will have got off scot free?

Congratulations on your successful lobbying.
 
Vixen said:
Would this be the mawkish sentimentality you so dislike? :D
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No - the sort I dislike is the sort where one drapes oneself in "Oooh look at me grieving everyone! Aren't I so amazingly and transparently caring and compassionate!" apparel such as avatars of the latest place to experience a terrorist atrocity. That sort of mawkish sentimentality :)
 
Vixen said:
You do know Rudy has asked for a review ,with a view to annullment, based on the outcome for your heroes?

Are you satisfied that all three perps will have got off scot free?

Congratulations on your successful lobbying.
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Who are these "heroes" to whom you refer? And what is this "successful lobbying" to which you refer?
 
Vixen said:
That's poor reasoning. The London police forensics team are employed by the Met Police. Are you seriously claiming all these hard working scientists and ballistics experts are all corrupt?
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Oh dear. You're clearly ignorant of the fact that the FSS (when it existed) did plenty of defence work as well as police/prosecution work. It never was "the police forensics team". That was the whole point. As Planigale already explained to you. And as you either didn't understand or ignored. As usual.
 
Vixen said:
I chanced across one account of the case which was about 16 pages long and the characters names kept changing, it was full of inaccuracies and poor details and yet the author was charging IIRC about $3. Amazingly, it was and is still selling well. That's cashing in. It's good amazon do refunds.

You are wrong. The court records do not corroborate Waiting to be heard or Honor Bound. If you download Liz Houle's book, you will discover that WTBH factually does not match the facts. It is a pack of lies, which should give you some warning as to its writer's claimed 'innocence'. In fact, it deliberately misleads the reader on key issues, such as the times of the phonecalls and sequence of events. This is why Liz and James' books are important in setting the record straight for the interested public.

Wasn't Christopher Robinson flogging his book on the back of Amanda Knox publicity?

Have a word with LondonJohn about his insistence in bringing linguistics into it. (BTW LJ I have two Institute of Linguists certificates, too. this time from a course at London University SSEES. Eat your heart out.)
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Hahahahaha one seriously couldn't make this BS up if one tried!

The SSEES (School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies)* is a department of UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LONDON (UCL), not "London University". So you've now referred to UCL when you should have referred to UL, plus referred to UL when you should have referred to UCL. Priceless! I'm calling you a flat-out liar :)


* And that's before we even get round to discussing what one learns about UK-English linguistics at the School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies :D
 
LondonJohn said:
No - the sort I dislike is the sort where one drapes oneself in "Oooh look at me grieving everyone! Aren't I so amazingly and transparently caring and compassionate!" apparel such as avatars of the latest place to experience a terrorist atrocity. That sort of mawkish sentimentality :)
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Thank you for sharing your bitter cynical world view with us all.
 
LondonJohn said:
Hahahahaha one seriously couldn't make this BS up if one tried!

The SSEES (School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies)* is a department of UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LONDON (UCL), not "London University". So you've now referred to UCL when you should have referred to UL, plus referred to UL when you should have referred to UCL. Priceless! I'm calling you a flat-out liar :)


* And that's before we even get round to discussing what one learns about UK-English linguistics at the School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies :D
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Gosh, you have no embarrassment at all. Talk about desperation! A good friend of mine actually lectured in Norwegian (often labelled 'Viking Studies' to attract the American students) in the German department, and I lunched at Senate House often as her guest. Another good friend did area studies at SSEES in Russian and we often met up to dine at SOAS, which had a marvellous daily menu and great student cameraderie. Another friend did her PhD at SOAS. I have no familiarity with London Uni. Really?


What one learns about UK-English linguistics is how it differs from other languages. That's how I am better informed than you about sentence structure in highly inflected languages. That's how I knew you were talking bollocks when you said it was impermissable to say, 'emptor caveat'. And you still refuse to admit you dropped a clanger.
 
LondonJohn said:
Who are these "heroes" to whom you refer? And what is this "successful lobbying" to which you refer?
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Your slavish admiration of the killers who forcibly restrained a decent lovely young woman on the brink of life and full of its joys and callously stabbed her in the neck, having previously armed themselves up to the gills with knives, is truly remarkable, and worthy of psychological evaluation. Stopped her from screaming, pulled back her hair, tearing out handfuls, and whilst her lifeless body was being dissected by Lalli's circular saw, the pair you call 'kids' celebrated with profanities, lewd behaviour and wild sex.

You knew you were being manipulated into lobbying their innocence and you played along with it.

What a terrible world view. What a jaundiced eye you must have.

ETA acbytesla even said he was 'proud' of Raff.
 
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Vixen said:
Your slavish admiration of the killers who forcibly restrained a decent lovely young woman on the brink of life and full of its joys and callously stabbed her in the neck, having previously armed themselves up to the gills with knives, is truly remarkale, and worthy of psychological evaluation. Stopped her from screaming, pulled back her hair, tearing out handfuls, and whilst her lifeless body was being dissected by Lalli's circular saw, the pair you call 'kids' celebrated with profanities, lewd behaviour and wild sex.

You knew you were being manipulated into lobbying their innocence and you played along with it.

What a terrible world view. What a jaundice eye you must have.
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What Vixen is trying to say is that her and her sociopath buddies have some books to sell, facts be damned! Gotta make the sweet cash off Meredith's murder. Opportunities like this don't come around too often.
 
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