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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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CaptainHowdy said:
Raul Hilberg did have a problem with some of the things Gerstein said in his statement. Hilberg didn't quote Gerstein in reference to the height of the pile of clothes or to the 25 million dead. He recognized that Gerstein was an excitable man who evidently was given to hyperbole.

Hilberg relied on only the parts of the Gerstein statement that were confirmed by other sources.
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Thanks - none of these not-so-artful dodgers answered the question put to them a couple days ago about Hilberg's estimate of deaths at Belzec and Treblinka. Guessing doing so would be too embarrassing ...
 
LeoMajor said:
... and with that, all credibility is lost.
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Lost indeed.

Now, I realize I'm "preaching to the choir", but I do feel I have to reiterate some observations I and many others have made.

Much like so called "9/11 Truthers", Holocaust deniers demand evidence, even proclaim that if you "just show us this evidence or that", they will forget all the conspiratorial BS, accept the reality that is documented history, and all will be right with the world. Time and time again these people have proven that to be a bald faced lie.

The reality is, Holocaust deniers, like 9/11 Truthers, are not interested in facts. They are disingenuous in their requests for proof because they have already decided that they will never accept any facts that do not support their twisted views. They will use the most dishonest and shallow flawed reasoning to hand wave anything away that does not suit their false agenda.

They are not here to debate honestly, nor are they here to learn. This Rizoli constantly calls people here who do not agree with his garbage "Holohuxters". Yet, he still asks for proof and accurate historical information from people whom he has already declared in nearly every post he makes, to be completely dishonest. Why would anyone hang around and continue to demand that the people whom you have clearly declared to be dishonest, still supply you with facts?

In my opinion they do it because in the end, sad twisted attention seeking and vulgar displays of baseless hatred is all they have, and quite possibly all they know.

Part of me pities them.
 
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And the only value in all this is that people who do have an interest in the evidence, and ways to assess and weigh it, can read the replies and become familiar with sources/interpretations posted in reply to these disingenuous requests . . .
 
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LemmyCaution said:
And the only value in all this is that people who do have an interest in the evidence, and ways to assess and weigh it, can read the replies and become familiar with sources/interpretations posted in reply to these disingenuous requests . . .
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Agreed.

And to add to that equation, some of the most effective people one can find to discredit 9/11 truthers and Holocaust deniers, are 9/11 truthers and Holocaust deniers.

Give them the stage, and they'll do the rest.
 
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HDenier said:
The Jews do it all the time. A video exist that shows this fact maybe you have seen. The Jewish lady news lady interviews another Jews and she ADMITS that it s the Jews ace in the hole
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You are referring to a comment made by Shulamit Aloni, the leader of the left wing Israeli Mertz party, about use of accusations of anti-Semitism by the Israeli government against its critics. Her statement had nothing at all to do with the Holocaust and was in fact related only to the Israeli occupation of the west bank.

The fact that you take this political comment out of context to fuel your racist and conspiracy based agenda is telling. The way you described mrs. Aloni's remarks was akin to that of a seven year old.
 
Elagabalus said:
OK. Where's the supposed original train wreck photo? Tsk. Tsk. Real friends don't let friends use Photoshop. Epic fail.
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JimRizoli said:
Actually I'm trying to work with you guys here but you refuse to answer my questions so I'm not going to bother with yours.
Yes folks according to the Holohucksters here 6 million Jews died in fake gas Chambers using bug spray sounds reasonable to me.
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Ah, preparing to flounce off when confronted by facts and evidence you can't deal with.
How typical.
 
dudalb said:
I have to wonder if the release of the newly discovered Himmler diaries,which is getting a lot of coverage,is behind this sudden upsurge in Denial activity in this thread.
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That was my guess too.
 
LemmyCaution said:
Quick summary of corpse disposal and the question of corpses/remains at Auschwitz-Birkenau:

DENTAL METALS. On the basis of a Himmler order (23 September 1940), dental gold was already being removed from the mouths of the corpses of inmates dying in KLs - in this manner, gold for dental work of SS members was accumulated. <snip>
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For reference, here is a link to an image of that order.
Not that I expect mere facts to in any way deter Holocaust deniers.
 
catsmate said:
Ah yes, the source recommend by Stormfront.
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For knowledge of the Holocaust, which is an extremely broad subject (involving the majority of the countries of Europe, intricate political and policy considerations, WWII and its course, different governments, languages, cultures), 50 books is really a very small number. My first reply to this claim of Jim's was moderated, I am guessing for sarcasm, as I was unimpressed. So I'll just say that I own somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 print books about the Third Reich and the Holocaust (I have read most but not all of them and keep working away at the unread titles) and many uncounted digital books, among these a number of the Holocaust Handbooks, which turn out to be a very dubious source for the history of the Holocaust (Holocaust Controversies does the best job of demonstrating just how dishonest and shoddy these HH books are).

I probably own close to 50 titles on just Warsaw and the connection of Warsaw ghetto to Treblinka (as I'm not at home I am just guessing - it is certainly dozens and ditto for the Ostland, Lodz, Auschwitz and other topics), or, to go in a different direction, another 50 on the development of Nazi Judenpolitik. My collection - and reading - pale when compared to a scholar like Nick Terry, who posts here.

Scholars in this field probably read 50 books on the Holocaust every few months, my estimate based on bibliographies and so on, so Jim's owning 50, mostly HH books on the Holocaust doesn't stand him in good light against people who are actually knowledgable about the period and events, let alone scholars of the period whose work encompasses the secondary literature and research in the archives.

Now, as for HDenier, where is that list of books he's spent good money on and the cross-check of what he has/has read against the 12 recent books I listed?
 
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Dash80 said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=677&pictureid=10884[/qimg]
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I am traveling for several days; I believe that I have a book showing prints made from the full negatives (uncropped) of the Birkenau photos and will check on my return. In the meantime, Hans at HC did this piece on the photos, and revisionist claims of forgery, in 2012.
 
HDenier said:
"My spidey sense tells me you'll not accept this one"

That picture is a composite fraud, nice try. Obviously your research capacities shows your limited in brain function on this topic. Those people on the right were part of a real train wreck in 1912, look at their clothing. The hats? But for you gullible goyim you use this nonsense over and over again, you wonder why we are winning the arguments here. Many more pictures of fraud are up to prove your holohoax lies but I cant use links to prove my points on the limited use skeptics forum Just look this up
"holocaust fraud photos" then you may see this link:

LIES YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU: Holocaust Fake pics 1

Lets start getting some credibility here guys and girls, it gets tiring Did you uses that picture link as a joke?....
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Stick with being laughably wrong about the topic and not personal attacks. <3
Also watch out for the zionist cyber cops, They're at your door!
 
LemmyCaution said:
I am traveling for several days; I believe that I have a book showing prints made from the full negatives (uncropped) of the Birkenau photos and will check on my return. In the meantime, Hans at HC did this piece on the photos, and revisionist claims of forgery, in 2012.
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I believe that this webpage shows what the book I have contains in terms of prints from the full negatives of the 4 Birkenau photos.

That composite image posted on CODOH purporting to show that the SK photo is made from the Ohio train wreck photo is just embarrassing. Among other reasons for its incompetence is that it fails to account for the existence of the 2nd corpse-disposal image shown on the webpage I've linked to in this post.
 
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