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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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My observations on the war etc....

It seems to me that most of the Germans were the good guys, but the Jew run media has to make it look like they were the insane ones....

Remind me which country stripped its citizens of Jewish origin of their citizenship making them residents of the nation they had been born in, stripping them of many legal rights and protections?

Remind me which nation state was aggressively expanding its borders between 1933 and 1939, and was making further demands on September 1, 1939?

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JR

I'd ask for your evidence in support of the bizarre world rant I snipped out there, but we all know that you have none.
 
I have to wonder if the release of the newly discovered Himmler diaries,which is getting a lot of coverage,is behind this sudden upsurge in Denial activity in this thread.
 
But, but, but Jim has calmly and rationally explained that, while, golly no, there was no genocide, the Jews deserved to be murdered on account of "their treasonas goings on."


True, he dodged these questions, but, shucks, the Jews had treasonas goings on, so you see there's nothing anti-Semitic here at all. When Jim says there's treasonas goings on, the Jews must be punished, with death. That's how Holocaust denial works.

That the classic Holocaust Denier formula "It never happened but they had it coming anyway".
 
It's a good thing Holocaust denial isn't anti- Semitic, huh?

It's pretty damn amazing. Usually when accusations of racism are thrown at someone for voicing an opinion on a topic with a relationship to race (or sex), it seems, to me, unfounded on its face because there is no indication of racism in their posts (e.g. the recent Ghostbusters nonsense; just disliking it was sexist). But with Holocaust denial, it's always right there for all to see. I wonder which of the two -- the denial or the racism -- is the root cause of the other.
 
"You sound incredibly silly: it is not unusual for perpetrators to try to conceal their acts, nor for governments to conduct sensitive operations out of public view, especially when those operations are "controversial" and potentially damaging to officials."

Gee.... if the operations weren't controversial to begin with then there would be nothing to hide. YOU as usual are ASSUMING they are hiding something, I am not. That is why you blood and guts holocausters love to use rumor and go into things that nobody had any meaning except YOU people who like to make up stuff that you SKEPTICS should be jumping all over. Still waiting for that ONE body that proves through Forensics and science that was gassed at Auschwitz. Just ONE out of your supposed millions, how embarrassing is that? Hey how about that pile of body's left at Auschwitz, any pictures of those bodies? Any pictures, evidence, of course not.....Because there were NO BODIES.

Am I right here or not, yes or no, or are we going to make stupid comments having nothing to do with answering my question as usual? Give me a link, a web site PROVING your point. Piles of dead bodies left at Auschwitz. Is that difficult? Did the Russians find piles of dead bodies when they came and liberated Auschwitz...YES or NO? YES or NO, YES or NO....
 
"You sound incredibly silly: it is not unusual for perpetrators to try to conceal their acts, nor for governments to conduct sensitive operations out of public view, especially when those operations are "controversial" and potentially damaging to officials."

Gee.... if the operations weren't controversial to begin with then there would be nothing to hide. YOU as usual are ASSUMING they are hiding something, I am not. That is why you blood and guts holocausters love to use rumor and go into things that nobody had any meaning except YOU people who like to make up stuff that you SKEPTICS should be jumping all over. Still waiting for that ONE body that proves through Forensics and science that was gassed at Auschwitz. Just ONE out of your supposed millions, how embarrassing is that? Hey how about that pile of body's left at Auschwitz, any pictures of those bodies? Any pictures, evidence, of course not.....Because there were NO BODIES.

Am I right here or not, yes or no, or are we going to make stupid comments having nothing to do with answering my question as usual? Give me a link, a web site PROVING your point. Piles of dead bodies left at Auschwitz. Is that difficult? Did the Russians find piles of dead bodies when they came and liberated Auschwitz...YES or NO? YES or NO, YES or NO....

http://www.bugbitten.com/images/4aa...8926/Auschwitz_Concentration_Camp-603963.jpeg

My spidey sense tells me you'll not accept this one.
 
"It's pretty damn amazing. Usually when accusations of racism are thrown at someone for voicing an opinion on a topic with a relationship to race (or sex), it seems, to me, unfounded on its face because there is no indication of racism in their posts (e.g. the recent Ghostbusters nonsense; just disliking it was sexist). But with Holocaust denial, it's always right there for all to see. I wonder which of the two -- the denial or the racism -- is the root cause of the other."

Antisemitism has NOTHING to do with holohoax discussions. Those who can't discuss the topic with facts usually revert to this tactic to throw off the discussion. The Jews do it all the time. A video exist that shows this fact maybe you have seen. The Jewish lady news lady interviews another Jews and she ADMITS that it s the Jews ace in the hole, accuse those evil people questioning ANYTHING Jewish with antisemitism.... My interest has really nothing to do with the Jews but telling the truth about WW2. The Jews and Jew wannabees ALWAYS turn it into a "antisemitic" rabbit hole as though WW2 only had to do with the Jews, it did not. They just have the bigger mouths to feed the propaganda wars...
 
"My spidey sense tells me you'll not accept this one"

That picture is a composite fraud, nice try. Obviously your research capacities shows your limited in brain function on this topic. Those people on the right were part of a real train wreck in 1912, look at their clothing. The hats? But for you gullible goyim you use this nonsense over and over again, you wonder why we are winning the arguments here. Many more pictures of fraud are up to prove your holohoax lies but I cant use links to prove my points on the limited use skeptics forum Just look this up
"holocaust fraud photos" then you may see this link:

LIES YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU: Holocaust Fake pics 1

Lets start getting some credibility here guys and girls, it gets tiring Did you uses that picture link as a joke?....
 
If Hdenier is not a Anti Semite, he is giving one hell of a great impersonation of one....
 
My observations on the war etc....

It seems to me that most of the Germans were the good guys, but the Jew run media has to make it look like they were the insane ones....
The bad guys IMO were the allies and then the Jews who believed the allied spun version of the HoloHoax story and ran with it to take the heat of the murderous allies who should of been the ones put on trial and executed for their war crimes against humanity. I think the Jews were fed a false horror story of what was going on in the camps by the allies so the Jews could spin it later to make it look like they were the victims.
So the Jews came out on top of it all in the end looking like the poor victims and the allies got a pass on the evil things they did.
If the Jews weren't led along by the allies there probably wouldn't of been all the lies coming from the Jews because no one in their right mind would believe them. But since the allies were the ones created the story in the first place of course they would protect the Jews later, and actually allow them to continue with their lies.

Of course I could be wrong and the Jews are the ones who got the HoloHoax thing going from the beginning too but I don't think they were onto this in the beginning but definitely found their spot in History later on after the war.
You still can find Jews today that saw nothing evil happening in the camps but they are not the ones the media goes after.
The only ones the media will use to spread their lies are the ones presenting their horror Disneyland stories.
Lets not forget Speilberg only used half of the Jews he interviewed for his HoloHoax movies. The other interviews ended up on the cutting room floor because they didn't tell the lies that Spielberg wanted told.
As they say when the legend becomes accepted as truth print the legend.....
And the Skeptoids here sure seem to like the Legend.

JR

Wow. This is so *********** ignorant, I don't know where to start...
 
Wow. This is so *********** ignorant, I don't know where to start...

Overwhelming - a cascade of wrongness by old Jim...lol

I wonder if he'll get around to blaming Luxembourg for being a threat to Germany - which is why they were invaded and occupied - however that is a tad off topic.
 
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Antisemitism has NOTHING to do with holohoax discussions. Those who can't discuss the topic with facts usually revert to this tactic to throw off the discussion. The Jews do it all the time. A video exist that shows this fact maybe you have seen. The Jewish lady news lady interviews another Jews and she ADMITS that it s the Jews ace in the hole, accuse those evil people questioning ANYTHING Jewish with antisemitism.... My interest has really nothing to do with the Jews but telling the truth about WW2. The Jews and Jew wannabees ALWAYS turn it into a "antisemitic" rabbit hole as though WW2 only had to do with the Jews, it did not. They just have the bigger mouths to feed the propaganda wars...

Are you sure about that?

Have a look at this video made by your friend in this very thread, Jim Rizoli. No anti-semitism there!

The truly disgusting part starts at the 1:32 mark-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvf0FY8NnHo

Absolutely pathetic.
 
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"You sound incredibly silly: it is not unusual for perpetrators to try to conceal their acts, nor for governments to conduct sensitive operations out of public view, especially when those operations are "controversial" and potentially damaging to officials."

Gee.... if the operations weren't controversial to begin with then there would be nothing to hide. YOU as usual are ASSUMING they are hiding something, I am not.
What makes you think I am "ASSUMING" that the Germans and their associates were hiding something? I know they were hiding something - and I know this because I've studied what they did, the plans they made and methods they used, and their own documents among other kinds of evidence. I ask again, have you heard of SK-1005? Do you know what the purpose was of friggin' cremation ovens?

That is why you blood and guts holocausters love to use rumor
I am not using "rumor"; I am using evidence about actions. Now, to provide you with another opportunity to dodge, let me request that you link to and quote some of the rumors you think I've been using to make the case for mass murder of the Jews. Like your pal Jim Rizoli, you can start with Ponary, Babi Yar, and Liepaja - and then you can finally get around to addressing, as I asked you to earlier, Warsaw, Lodz, France and the Netherlands.

YOU people who like to make up stuff
What have I made up? Links and quotes, please.

Still waiting for that ONE body that proves through Forensics and science that was gassed at Auschwitz.
It's already been explained to you, and evidence provided, what the Nazis did with the bodies of their victims. Stop playing Jimmy the Dunce on this. Again, here's a good online source on Auschwitz. Another is the museum's 5 volume history of the camp, but it isn't online, so I can't link to it. Tell us what errors, made-up stuff, rumors, etc you find in either of these sources.

Am I right here or not, yes or no, or are we going to make stupid comments having nothing to do with answering my question as usual? Give me a link, a web site PROVING your point. Piles of dead bodies left at Auschwitz. Is that difficult? Did the Russians find piles of dead bodies when they came and liberated Auschwitz...YES or NO? YES or NO, YES or NO....
Again, you've been given links, and you well understand why the corpses of the 100s of 1000s of victims were not left behind at Auschwitz or other killing centers. Stop playing games and get serious.

Where's your reading list and where's your reply to my question about 12 recent books on the Holocaust? Why so reticent?
 
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That picture is a composite fraud, nice try. Obviously your research capacities shows your limited in brain function on this topic. Those people on the right were part of a real train wreck in 1912

... and with that, all credibility is lost.
 
"It's pretty damn amazing. Usually when accusations of racism are thrown at someone for voicing an opinion on a topic with a relationship to race (or sex), it seems, to me, unfounded on its face because there is no indication of racism in their posts (e.g. the recent Ghostbusters nonsense; just disliking it was sexist). But with Holocaust denial, it's always right there for all to see. I wonder which of the two -- the denial or the racism -- is the root cause of the other."

Antisemitism has NOTHING to do with holohoax discussions. Those who can't discuss the topic with facts usually revert to this tactic to throw off the discussion. The Jews do it all the time. A video exist that shows this fact maybe you have seen. The Jewish lady news lady interviews another Jews and she ADMITS that it s the Jews ace in the hole, accuse those evil people questioning ANYTHING Jewish with antisemitism.... My interest has really nothing to do with the Jews but telling the truth about WW2. The Jews and Jew wannabees ALWAYS turn it into a "antisemitic" rabbit hole as though WW2 only had to do with the Jews, it did not. They just have the bigger mouths to feed the propaganda wars...

Classic: "Antisemitism has NOTHING to do with holohoax discussions" and "The Jews do it all the time."

To be clear, Nazi criminality extended far beyond the Jews. WWII did not have only to do with the Jews. We can cite the KL system as a whole and forced labor programs during the war; the Kommissarbefehl and the mass murder of Soviet POWs, the Nazi conduct of anti-partisan warfare, T-4 and the so-called euthanasia program, the hunger plan, Generalplan Ost, genocidal actions against the Roma (so-called Gypsies), the Barbarossa "jurisdiction order," Heydrich's instructions to the Einsatzgruppen on liquidation targets, Operation Tannenberg, the A-B action, and much more. Whoever here has argued that WWII and Nazi criminality was only to do with the Jews? Someone here seems a bit obsessed, and it ain't me!
 
"My spidey sense tells me you'll not accept this one"

That picture is a composite fraud, nice try. Obviously your research capacities shows your limited in brain function on this topic. Those people on the right were part of a real train wreck in 1912, look at their clothing. The hats? But for you gullible goyim you use this nonsense over and over again, you wonder why we are winning the arguments here. Many more pictures of fraud are up to prove your holohoax lies but I cant use links to prove my points on the limited use skeptics forum Just look this up
"holocaust fraud photos" then you may see this link:

LIES YOUR TEACHER TAUGHT YOU: Holocaust Fake pics 1

Lets start getting some credibility here guys and girls, it gets tiring Did you uses that picture link as a joke?....
Prove it.

Fact is you've just recycled one of the dumbest denier memes of all time.
 
Quick summary of corpse disposal and the question of corpses/remains at Auschwitz-Birkenau:

DENTAL METALS. On the basis of a Himmler order (23 September 1940), dental gold was already being removed from the mouths of the corpses of inmates dying in KLs - in this manner, gold for dental work of SS members was accumulated. With the initial transports bringing Jews to Birkenau for murder in 1942, Office IV B 4 (Eichmann) forward to the Auschwitz command Himmler’s dentail-gold-removal order. On 19 October 1943 a WVHA order directed that henceforth such dental gold be delivered from KLs to the Reichsbank. These practices were followed also in Birkenau. The dental metals were removed from the corpses of Jews killed in the gas chambers before their corpses were incinerated in the crematoria. The Birkenau crematoria had rooms for the melting down of gold, platinum, and silver teeth. The later diversion of these dental metals to the Reichsbank was due to an oversupply to the SS resulting as of fall 1942. Teeth were extracted from corpses by “dentists” who worked as part of the Birkenau Sonderkommando, In mid-1944 40 prisoners worked as “dentists.” The dental metal was melted into bars in the SS-Revier at Auschwitz and packed into crates. Partial records on quantities of this metal exist.

HAIR. The hair of prisoners who were registered into Auschwitz was shorn at the time of their entry to the camp. In August 1942 the WVHA ordered that KL commands see that hair shorn from prisoners thenceforth be collected to “be reprocessed into felt for industrial use and spun into thread,” with the intent that “combed and cut women’s hair will be made into felt socks for submarine crews and felt hose for the railways.” By early 1943 the KLs but not Auschwitz were directed to send cut hair to the following companies: Alex Filzfabrik AG, Paul Riemann, and Färberei AG; it is possible that Auschwitz received separate, individual instructions about what to do with hair. Data have been found for hair cut from Majadnek inmates but, again, not those of Auschwitz. As to victims of mass gassings, unlike at the Einsatz Reinhard camps, at Birkenau hair was shorn from the corpses of murdered females; the collection of hair from gassed females was apparently on Himmler’s order. Hair shorn in the crematoria was dried in lofts of those structures, a task carried out by the chimney detail of the Sonderkommando. SS inspections of the dried hair were conducted. On 6 February 1943 Pohl reported to Himmler that from Majdanek and Auschwitz 3000 kilograms of “Frauenhaare” had been sent to the Economics Ministry. After the war 7000 kilograms (over 7 tons) of hair were found in warehouses in the camp (this was estimated to be hair shorn from about 140,000 people). Post-war tests were conducted on samples of this hair at the Forensic Institute of Crakow and found to have detectable amounts of prussic acid, as did objects (clips, pins, etc) found with the hair. Teppichfabrik G. Schoeffler AG, a firm near Oswiecim, was discovered to have 1,950 kilograms of hair also at the war’s end. A sample of this hair was analyzed by the Forensic Medical Department of Jagiellonian University; the hair had measurable quantities of prussic acid. It is believed that hair from Auschwitz was also sent Haaverwertungbetrieb and Bremer Wolkämmerei (Greek coins were in the bags that brought this hair to the factory). Felt, thread, haircloth, socks and hose for submarine crews, bomb fuses, hawsers and ropes for ships, and mattresses are thought to have been manufactured from the Auschwitz hair.

BONES AND ASHES. At Birkenau there were crematoria for the incineration of corpses - as well as pits for corpse burning when the capacity was required. Initially, the bodies of those gassed in the so-called little white and little red houses were buried nearby; starting fall 1942, following a visit by Himmler that summer and with assistance from Blobel, the camp SS began to exhume and cremate the corpses of these victims, burning over 100,000 corpses by the end of November. The work was executed by Sonderkommano members and the ashes were distributed into the Sola and Vistula rivers - “dropped into the river current at various points so that they would not accumulate.” (Bunker 2 - the little white house - was pressed back into service, and renamed Bunker 5, during May 1944 for the Hungarian action and new cremation pits dug at that time. For the Hungarian action, several pits were also dug near Crematoria 5, under Möll’s direction, for open-air burning to help with the large volume of dead during 1944; the famous open-pit cremation photo taken by Sonderkommando members - David Szmulewski and Stanislaw Jankowski - was from this area.) In the crematoria, quantities of bone remained after cremation. This material was collected and ground using mallets and special mortars (sledgehammers and a steel plate for the bone that was in Möll’s Crematoria 5 cremation pits). The ash/bone remains were stored temporarily in pits near each crematorium, later to be removed and discarded in various ways (ash remaining in these pits was covered over before evacuation of the camp): “buried in pits, dumped into the waters of the Sola and Vistula rivers and the fish ponds near the Birkenau camp, used to fill in low ground and marches, and spread as fertilizer on the farms belonging to the camp. . . . [H]uman remains were also used in building and repairing the roads in camp, for making walkways near the houses where the staff lived, and as insulating material in various camp buildings.” According to Höss, the intent was to disperse the evidence. Some crushed bone was sold to “Strem,” a company that delivered the remains to the Rendziny factory for use in fertilizer production. Fat from the corpses burnt in the open air was used to feed the fire in the corpse burning pits (this process was also credited to Möll). A small number of corpses was provided to SS doctors for experimentation. In fall 1944, in the vicinity of the bunkers, the “ashes were removed from the pits and the whole site was levelled.” Nevertheless, in 1965 a geological study of the area was conducted, and 303 bore holes dug - “Human ashes, bones and hair were found in 42 of the holes.” ("In 1965, Hydrokop, a chemical mining enterprise based in Krakow, was commissioned by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum to carry out geological tests at Birkenau aimed at determining the locations of incineration pits and pyres.")

Summarized from Chapter XII in Auschwitz: 1940-1945, vol. II, published by the Auschwitz Museum; data provided by Höss and taken from WVHA reports is provided on pp 416-418, addressing quantities and the disposition of hair and dental metals. Also pp 134-175, Vol. III; Strzelecki, The Evacuation, Dismantling, and Liberation of KL Auschwitz,, pp 51-57, 111-118, 229-232; Pressac, Auschwitz: The Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, pp 165, 179-180, 253, 389, 420, 422-424; Dwork & van Pelt, Auschwitz, pp 313-353

From Camp SS man Otto Moll's testimony (Nuremberg, 16 April 1946), correcting Höss and assuring the court that he'd not worked in the gas chambers but "only" getting rid of corpses:
First, I was used in work in connection with the excavation of the mass graves. Hoess must know that. He is in error if he said that I worked in the buildings where the gassing was carried out. At first I was used for the excavation of the mass graves and he must remember that. Hoess, do you remember Swosten, Blank, Omen, Hatford and Garduck [sic]? Those are the people who worked in the building at the time when you alleged I worked there and I was working on excavations. Surely Hoess remembers that. . . . I was responsible to see that the corpses were burned after the people were killed. I was never responsible for the actual supervision of the killing. It was always the officers or the physicians who were present at the time. As my commandant, at the time, Hoess should be able to confirm this.
 
I'm reading the Trial transcripts from the 1985 Zundel Trial and thought you HoloHuxsters might like the fact that Raul Hillberg under questioning from Doug Christie didn't have any problem with Gerstein saying that he saw piles of clothing at Treblinka 120 ft high....
I guess you HoloHuxsters here have no problem with that......LOL
He also had no issues with the 25 million bodies that Gerstein said being killed at Treblinka and Belzcec....Yikes! And we "deniers" are the wrong ones here....LOL

Gerstein was out of his mind and Raul Hillberg was right behind him..
Yup there were 6 million Jews killed in fake gas chambers with bug spray......sounds reasonable to me.

JR
Raul Hilberg did have a problem with some of the things Gerstein said in his statement. Hilberg didn't quote Gerstein in reference to the height of the pile of clothes or to the 25 million dead. He recognized that Gerstein was an excitable man who evidently was given to hyperbole.

Hilberg relied on only the parts of the Gerstein statement that were confirmed by other sources.
 
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