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General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

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JimRizoli said:
Prove to me forensically that 2 million people were shot by the E...
Were were they buried? Thats a lot of people there must be a trace of them somewhere.....but guess what? Poof no one to show for it.
More HoloHuxster B/S.....like all the rest that they parrot from their Holohuxsters handlers.

Jim Rizoli
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There is a great deal of convergent evidence - that is, evidence from different kinds of sources - concerning the open-air shootings in the occupied Soviet Union. Among this evidence are indeed the results of forensic investigations, for example a recent survey of Holocaust killing sites; a map showing killing sites investigated by Yahad-in Unum in recent years; this blog entry on photographic evidence of mass murder at Kerch; this description of findings at Ponary in Lithuania; photographic evidence concerning Ponary; and various blog pieces here, here, here, here, and here by Roberto Muehlenkamp;

Those interested in understanding what happened in the past properly do not restrict themselves to one kind of evidence but look at the range of evidence available in order to draw conclusions. The physical investigations align with what we discover in other sources about these murders in the East.

Perhaps you will explain to us which of these killing sites you've invesitaged in detail and summarize for us what you've found and the problems with the evidence.
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Perhaps you will explain to us which of these killing sites you've invesitaged in detail and summarize for us what you've found and the problems with the evidence.
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JimRizoli said:
Ashes don't prove how people were killed.
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Shot, gassed, starved to death, killed by diseases allowed to run rampant in the camps, killed by lethal injection, beaten to death... Dead is dead.

All those methods were used to decimate Jews and others, why do you deniers just constantly bleat the same party lines about the gas chambers?
 
Actually they haven't been discovered, these so-called mass graves. There have been alleged sites where a couple of bones or teeth were found, but NOTHING mass - except the Katyn Massacre in Poland, FIRST attributed to the Germans but later discovered, these were atrocities (one of many) from the Soviets. Another point. Because there is an alleged mass grave, doesn't confirm method of death, yet that's what we are told.

Like the 'pile of clothes' in the mausoleums they call holohoax museums - though there is no proof of the owners' demise, they trot out the pile of clothes with the accompanying placard of 'proven death by gassing'. We are supposed to believe it.
 
Like I said lots of talk NO proof!
So some of you here are forensics specialist....you can look at a corpse from a picture and tell us how they died....pretty impressive!


Jim Rizoli
 
Dash80 said:
Shot, gassed, starved to death, killed by diseases allowed to run rampant in the camps, killed by lethal injection, beaten to death... Dead is dead.

All those methods were used to decimate Jews and others, why do you deniers just constantly bleat the same party lines about the gas chambers?
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Thanks for the update how about some forensic proof?

Jim Rizoli
 
DianeKayKing said:
Actually they haven't been discovered, these so-called mass graves. There have been alleged sites where a couple of bones or teeth were found, but NOTHING mass - except the Katyn Massacre in Poland, FIRST attributed to the Germans but later discovered, these were atrocities (one of many) from the Soviets. Another point. Because there is an alleged mass grave, doesn't confirm method of death, yet that's what we are told.

Like the 'pile of clothes' in the mausoleums they call holohoax museums - though there is no proof of the owners' demise, they trot out the pile of clothes with the accompanying placard of 'proven death by gassing'. We are supposed to believe it.
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Refute the material in the links I posted - a handwave and an empty phrase don't cut it. You are not supposed to believe anything - you are however expected to engage with the material and refer to it honestly and accurately. Show where the material in the links is incorrect.
 
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JimRizoli said:
Like I said lots of talk NO proof!
So some of you here are forensics specialist....you can look at a corpse from a picture and tell us how they died....pretty impressive!


Jim Rizoli
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Your method is to ignore that which doesn't fit your preconceptions?

And, again, it is the variety of evidence, including physical, that tells us what happened and how.
 
JimRizoli said:
I'm still waiting for proof.....
Not rhetoric...


Jim Rizoli
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I posted links to several lengthy, substantive discussions of physical evidence for open-air shootings of Jews in the occupied east. And you think it is rhetoric and are still waiting for something? It appears more like you're looking for ways not to answer (or perhaps even read) the proof you claim to be waiting for.
 
DianeKayKing said:
Actually they haven't been discovered, these so-called mass graves.
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The Polish investigaating comissions directed at Chemno and Treblinka found remains of graves with ashes and charred bones. A Polish archaeological team found 33 mass graves at Belzec and a large number at Sobibor. And that is just what I can recall right now.
 
JimRizoli said:
I'm still waiting for proof.....
Not rhetoric...


Jim Rizoli
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It has been supplied, in large, easily accessible doses. It is a question of your willingness, or, if we must consider it, capability, to examine what is presented.
 
No offense guys but this site really sucks no one answers any questions you avoid any debate on the topic you don't show any facts of what you say pretty boring here.


JR
 
JimRizoli said:
No offense guys but this site really sucks no one answers any questions you avoid any debate on the topic you don't show any facts of what you say pretty boring here.


JR
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This seems untrue. As far as I can tell links were posted to exactly the evidence you asked for, and then you just kept asking, without offering any reason the evidence did not satisfy your points.

Why do you avoid debating the evidence offered or making direct reference to it?
 
JimRizoli said:
No offense guys but this site really sucks no one answers any questions you avoid any debate on the topic you don't show any facts of what you say pretty boring here.
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On the contrary, every denialist assertion has been thoroughly demolished here with well grounded historical references.
 
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