Split Thread Signs of the End Times

[Border Reiver]

OK so this is off topic, but it still remains that what I have said is a reasonable view of an unreasonable theory that everything just came about by chance without the intervention of anyone.
No matter if I use the wrong words to communicate the TOE, that you speak of and no matter how eloquent your response is—it is still absurd to believe in TOE.
The END times is to put an END to this theory, will be the beginning of truth.

At this stage, I will simply state that you have a comically bad understanding of evolution, and a remarkably simplistic view of your deity.

But, getting back onto topic, what are the "signs of the end times", and how are they distinguishable as such (ie. what differentiates these signs from more commonplace occurrences)?

 

[Foster Zygote]

No matter if I use the wrong words to communicate the TOE, that you speak of and no matter how eloquent your response is—it is still absurd to believe in TOE.

It's not just your terminology, it's your fundamental failure of understanding of the subject. And absurdity is expecting anyone to believe that you have the power to blind anyone or kill grass.

 

[Craig B]

It is far more reasonable to believe in a Creator who has the ability to create such vast worlds than to try and believe that things just happened out of some small little thing, that people are not sure what it was.
What was it?

We are finding out, bit by bit. We now think we know how a "small thing" can inflate into a universe of "vast worlds".

But you are "more reasonable"? Well, how did God happen? What did he "evolve" from? You don't even pretend that such questions are in any sense answerable; so your beliefs are less "reasonable" than natural explanations.

 

[halleyscomet]

Neither of the genealogies suggests such a line of descent in Jesus' case.

We are given the names of important Biblical figures, and imaginary names to fill in the gaps when scriptural data run out.

Well yes, they went overboard trying to shore up the claim. My point was that the initial claim wasn't that outrageous to begin with.

It's a classic case of someone lying to try and prove something they didn't NEED to lie to prove. We all know Hitler was an evil sack of garbage. You don't need to claim he kicked puppies in his spare time to shore up his image.

 

[halleyscomet]

Abiogenesis the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances.
Also called autogenesis. the hypothetical process by which living organisms first arose on earth from nonliving matter

Invoking the origin of life in a discussion of the evolution of life is a bit like debating the merits of modern automotive design by arguing about the process of mining for iron ore and harvesting raw materials from rubber trees.

Regardless, the Irreligiosophy episode Spontaneous Generation and Abby O’Genesis has an excellent layman's introduction to the state of research and science regarding the origin of life itself.

WARNING! This podcast contains explicit science not suitable for creationists!

In this episode Matt and I go over the history of spontaneous generation, how the idea began and how it fell out of favor. We then go over various myths of creation before proceeding to the Scientism myth of creation: abiogenesis. We take a whirlwind tour through hydrothermal vents, the Krebs Cycle, the iron sulfur world of Günter Wächtershäuser, and about a semester’s worth of high school biology in just a few excruciating minutes.

So strap on those nerd glasses, get your pocket calculators out, and let’s do this thang.

 

[Crossbow]

But what was the first organism???

And where is the God that you promised to show?

After all, if this god of yours is so very great and powerful, then it should be easy for you to show us that god of yours.

 

[halleyscomet]

But what was the first organism???

While we may never know for sure without the aid of a time machine, the origin of life is not the unassailable mystery you seem to think it is.

 

[fagin]

It was with the consent of Mary that the miracle took place, without any sexual participation.
Today with modern medical science a virgin can become pregnant without having sex.

Jesus was the first test tube baby?

You need to tell Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Brown

 

[Paul Bethke]

While we may never know for sure without the aid of a time machine, the origin of life is not the unassailable mystery you seem to think it is.

Now I am very sad as you do not know for sure—but we creationist do know for sure that Yahweh is the Creator.

So while you do not know how life began, and what the organism from which all things originate was, you resort to hypothetical conjecture.

This is an END time question as we need to know what the end of all this will be—you say life began with one tiny weeny organism—how did the planets start to become as we now see them?

I like this--Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
Gen 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So much more easy to grasp, than something you are not sure of.
So how do you console yourself?

 

[Paul Bethke]

And where is the God that you promised to show?

After all, if this god of yours is so very great and powerful, then it should be easy for you to show us that god of yours.

All in good time, time is regulated by this very great and powerful God--then you will get your wish, which will not be as you expect.

 

[Peregrinus]

All in good time, time is regulated by this very great and powerful God--then you will get your wish, which will not be as you expect.

Again with the unsupported assumptions & assertions.

 

[Crossbow]

All in good time, time is regulated by this very great and powerful God--then you will get your wish, which will not be as you expect.

Gee whiz!

What an incredibly unsurprising answer. And considering that I do not believe in god I was still able to develop an accurate prediction of your non-answer answer.

To wit, when you promised earlier to show us god I responded thusly:

No you will not.

You have consistently failed to do anything of the sort. In fact, you have failed at everything that you have ever said that you will do.

And when your many glaring failures are pointed out, then you simply retort with something vague and useless like 'Wait for the proof'.

No one in all of history has ever actually shown that there is a god, therefore you too will fail to actually show that there is a god.

Accordingly, Paul Bethke has yet another failure documented.

 

[Paul Bethke]

It's not just your terminology, it's your fundamental failure of understanding of the subject. And absurdity is expecting anyone to believe that you have the power to blind anyone or kill grass.

That is true my failure to understand that which is absurd—well in time it will be shown that Yahweh is the Creator, so in the mean time I will endure the ridicule for my so called failures.

 

[Paul Bethke]

Gee whiz!

What an incredibly unsurprising answer. And considering that I do not believe in god I was still able to develop an accurate prediction of your non-answer answer.

To wit, when you promised earlier to show us god I responded thusly:



Accordingly, Paul Bethke has yet another failure documented.

As I said, you make me happy.

 

[abaddon]

I said evolution and someone else told me it was wrong—so the end times is to deal what will take place in the END, or beginning---so there is a point that God will have to reveal himself in order to put an End to all the misstatements about him are resolved.

And you are wrong. You have no clue about the ToE and you are happy to continue to propagate your ignorance about the ToE. The end times have not existed ever. Plenty of self proclaimed prophets have existed over time. All have utterly failed.

We could all perhaps think that you are the correct end times prophet. Nobody will. You have a track record which cannot be denied. You did not just prophecy, you claimed that you would wither the grass at the 2010 World Cup. Did it happen? Of course not. You claimed that you would blind Randi and some 30+ members here by a certain date. Did it happen? Of course not.

You are the very definition of a false prophet.

Sure, you can invent excuses out of whole cloth, but everyone here can see your failure.

 

[Craig B]

Now I am very sad as you do not know for sure—but we creationist do know for sure that Yahweh is the Creator.

So while you do not know how life began, and what the organism from which all things originate was, you resort to hypothetical conjecture.

This is an END time question as we need to know what the end of all this will be—you say life began with one tiny weeny organism—how did the planets start to become as we now see them?

I like this--Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
Gen 1:16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So much more easy to grasp, than something you are not sure of.
So how do you console yourself?

Yes, such puerile statements are "easy to grasp", which is why they are attractive to people who find the complexity of the natural world "hard to grasp". Problem is: they don't tell you anything, and they are not true.

"Let their be light." What do we know about the first light that shone through the universe? We can still see it, as the Cosmic Microwave Background, and it is fascinating.

The first astronomers who observed it thought initially that it was the effect of bird droppings in their radio antenna. I like that. "God's first creature, Light" is discerned by people working for a telephone company, their task being to eliminate crackly noises from telephone calls. During this procedure they unexpectedly detect the first light to shine freely across cosmic space - and mistake it for pigeon excrement.

Don't tell me the nonsense in Genesis is more interesting than that real history of the advance of human knowledge.

 

[Crossbow]

As I said, you make me happy.

Being both happy and self-delusional is not a fact that one should be proud of.

 

[turingtest]

I think folks who are arguing with Paul about the TOE should keep in mind that he's said that one reason he doesn't accept it is because "a second-grader cannot understand TOE- it is to[o] complicated"; if it's not simple enough for a second-grader to grasp, Paul won't even try to.

He's also claimed to have run his own experiment to test the TOE- "I tried this by putting all the ingredients for a cake in a bowl, but no cake was formed."

 

[slyjoe]

I think folks who are arguing with Paul about the TOE should keep in mind that he's said that one reason he doesn't accept it is because "a second-grader cannot understand TOE- it is to[o] complicated"; if it's not simple enough for a second-grader to grasp, Paul won't even try to.

He's also claimed to have run his own experiment to test the TOE- "I tried this by putting all the ingredients for a cake in a bowl, but no cake was formed."

Thanks turingtest - its going to take a while to rinse that stupid from my brain.

 

[turingtest]

Thanks turingtest - its going to take a while to rinse that stupid from my brain.

Pretty bad, huh? You understand the need to rinse; Paul makes soaking in it a way of life. I wouldn't object to that at all if he didn't also think it should be the way of life for everyone; people are free to choose stupid if it makes them happy, but not to insist that that choice be a society's default.