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Continuation Part 22: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

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LondonJohn said:
Oops. It was two overlaid portions of a man's size 44-46 Nike Outbreak 2 trainer. It was a shocking and inept misattribution by the police forensic analysts - one of a number of embarrassing and horrendous mistakes they made in respect of the shoe print/foot print evidence. It can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the imprints on the pillow case came from a 44-46 Nike Outbreak 2 trainer. The size and type that Guede admitted to wearing on the night of the murder.

You really need to acquaint yourself with the proper scientific analysis of the evidence. Or do you also believe that the prints in the hallway matched Sollecito's Reebok trainers, or that the partial foot print on the bath mat matches Sollecito's with "millimetre accuracy" and can be positively discounted as Guede's? :D:D:D
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Claim you, and the bent defence forensic 'expert' Vinci who photoshopped a size 42 and enlarged it to fit Rudy's size 43's.
 
Vixen said:
Claim you, and the bent defence forensic 'expert' Vinci who photoshopped a size 42 and enlarged it to fit Rudy's size 43's.
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So your claim is the defense photoshopped the prints to look like Rudy's and the prosecution simply was inept never bothered to counter this seemingly obvious fraud?

So once again you're admitting that there was no sustaining criminal evidence against the defendants and their acquittal was inevitable?

That's twice so far today you've admitted as such. Thank you.
 
bagels said:
Please quote this image and say "one was Rudy's and the other was Amanda's"

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/cpycqQa.jpg[/qimg]
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Boemia and Rinaldi, fingerprint and footprint experts matched the footprint as being virtually the exact same shape as a ladies ASICS size 37.

Clever Rudy to be able to duplicate this with sheet origami and blood batik.

This is a retelling of the scapegoat sent out into the desert with the sins of all the people on its shoulders.
 
Vixen said:
Claim you, and the bent defence forensic 'expert' Vinci who photoshopped a size 42 and enlarged it to fit Rudy's size 43's.
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I "get" that you do not believe Judge Massei in his conclusions. You are, by implication, saying that Massei himself is fomenting a conspiracy when after reviewing Vinci's analysis...... he says, "The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor, to the exclusion of Knox......."

It is noted how you must reinvent things to maintain your conspiratorializing.
 
bagels said:
So your claim is the defense photoshopped the prints to look like Rudy's and the prosecution simply was inept never bothered to counter this seemingly obvious fraud?

So once again you're admitting that there was no sustaining criminal evidence against the defendants and their acquittal was inevitable?

That's twice so far today you've admitted as such. Thank you.
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It's not my claim, it was the prosecution claim during the trial.
 
Vixen said:
Boemia and Rinaldi, fingerprint and footprint experts matched the footprint as being virtually the exact same shape as a ladies ASICS size 37.

Clever Rudy to be able to duplicate this with sheet origami and blood batik.

This is a retelling of the scapegoat sent out into the desert with the sins of all the people on its shoulders.
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That's not what I asked though. I asked if the image depicts a print on the right made by the shoe on the left or not.
 
Bill Williams said:
I "get" that you do not believe Judge Massei in his conclusions. You are, by implication, saying that Massei himself is fomenting a conspiracy when after reviewing Vinci's analysis...... he says, "The Court, on this point, takes notice of the opposing conclusions without expressing a specific opinion. It cannot in fact be excluded that Guede alone tread on the cushion lying on the floor, to the exclusion of Knox......."

It is noted how you must reinvent things to maintain your conspiratorializing.
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You believe Massei in his conclusions?
 
Vixen said:
Boemia and Rinaldi, fingerprint and footprint experts matched the footprint as being virtually the exact same shape as a ladies ASICS size 37.

Clever Rudy to be able to duplicate this with sheet origami and blood batik.

This is a retelling of the scapegoat sent out into the desert with the sins of all the people on its shoulders.
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Evidence that Boemia or Rinaldi were "footprint experts"?

Ooops. There's no such evidence. In fact, they employed an embarrassing and toxic mixture of pseudoscience and good old-fashioned incompetence, and made a number of horrific mistakes - one of which was so elementary that even a schoolgirl spotted it. Or do you still believe that the "experts" Boemi and Rinaldi correctly matched the shoe prints in the hallway with Sollecito's Reebok trainers? :rolleyes:
 
Vixen said:
It's not my claim, it was the prosecution claim during the trial.
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They never claimed that. They meekly countered by saying the defense experts measurements were, according to them, off by a couple mm when they double checked in photoshop, and hoped we didn't notice they got owned.

They were Sunk. Shattered. Exposed. The defense expert unequivocally proved the footprints were, in all likelihood, created by the very shoes Rudy Guede owned a box for in his apartment and admitted to wearing that night.

The prosecution had nothing. Proved nothing. Established nothing. Which is why you're here today quoting a picture of a print obviously and self evidently made by the shoe next to it, and delusionally denying the obvious, while Amanda walks free in Seattle.
 
Vixen said:
Rubbish. Rudy's only 5'11". 45 is apposite for someone 6'2".
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I suggest you do some research and figure it out for yourself. And I further suggest that it's utter nonsense to suppose that there's anything other than an extremely wide correlation between height and shoe size.


ETA: Amusingly, you yourself were stating several months ago that Guede's shoes were size 45 (my bolding):

The other shoeprint found was a size 42. Rudy takes size 45 so how lucky Raff was to get Massei to accept it was Rudy's instead of his, given no shoe was found of Rudy's. It was barred from evidence for Amanda as no shoe was found, so lucky her.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11013650#post11013650

Or has Guede's shoe size miraculously changed between then and now.........? :D
 
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LondonJohn said:
I suggest you do some research and figure it out for yourself. And I further suggest that it's utter nonsense to suppose that there's anything other than an extremely wide correlation between height and shoe size.
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Of course there is a correlation. Someone willowy of height 6'3" with long elegant hands and feet will take size 45 max. If overweight, or with broad feet, maybe more.

Rudy was svelte and actually 5'10.5". There's no way he took size 46. My understanding is he was size 43 and Raff, size 42.
 
bagels said:
They never claimed that. They meekly countered by saying the defense experts measurements were, according to them, off by a couple mm when they double checked in photoshop, and hoped we didn't notice they got owned.

They were Sunk. Shattered. Exposed. The defense expert unequivocally proved the footprints were, in all likelihood, created by the very shoes Rudy Guede owned a box for in his apartment and admitted to wearing that night.

The prosecution had nothing. Proved nothing. Established nothing. Which is why you're here today quoting a picture of a print obviously and self evidently made by the shoe next to it, and delusionally denying the obvious, while Amanda walks free in Seattle.
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Trainers that were a bestseller globally. Stop two schoolkids, and chances are they are both wearing the same make.
 
LondonJohn said:
I suggest you do some research and figure it out for yourself. And I further suggest that it's utter nonsense to suppose that there's anything other than an extremely wide correlation between height and shoe size.


ETA: Amusingly, you yourself were stating several months ago that Guede's shoes were size 45 (my bolding):

The other shoeprint found was a size 42. Rudy takes size 45 so how lucky Raff was to get Massei to accept it was Rudy's instead of his, given no shoe was found of Rudy's. It was barred from evidence for Amanda as no shoe was found, so lucky her.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11013650#post11013650

Or has Guede's shoe size miraculously changed between then and now.........? :D
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Obviously, a typo, as I knew Rudy was not particularly tall.
 
Vixen said:
Trainers that were a bestseller globally. Stop two schoolkids, and chances are they are both wearing the same make.
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So what, Amanda just happened to be wearing shoes with the same tread pattern as Rudy?

This brings us back to the main point - no sustainable evidence.

If you want to believe Amanda secretly got away with it, fine!

How can you think there was a sustainable case based on solid evidence? Get real! :relieved:
 
Vixen said:
Trainers that were a bestseller globally. Stop two schoolkids, and chances are they are both wearing the same make.
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1) Utter nonsense. Do you even have the first idea how many different models of training shoe Nike alone manufactures (let alone all the other models from all the other major manufacturers of training shoes)?

2) In this case we are fortunate in knowing for certain that Guede owned a pair of these exact trainers in this size, and we also know that there's zero evidence that Sollecito ever owned such trainers.

3) The police's "experts" couldn't even distinguish between the clearly different (in many obvious respects) sole patterns of Nike Outbreak 2 trainers (as owned by Guede and worn by him on the night of the murder) and Air Force One trainers (as owned and worn by Sollecito). A young schoolgirl could (and did) spot the difference.
 
Vixen said:
Obviously, a typo, as I knew Rudy was not particularly tall.
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Obviously :D :D :D

By the way, I'm loving that you're clinging to the nonsense that somebody of 5ft 10.5 inches simply could not physiologically have feet of size 45 :p
 
Oh and it seems that Guede himself either lies about his shoe size or doesn't know it (my bolding):

Seemingly unaware of the significance of what he was saying, Guede then revealed: "I was wearing Adidas shoes. I wear size 45-46..."

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...-gQ6AEIJjAB#v=onepage&q=guede size 45&f=false

I guess you'd better write to Guede to let him know that he's got his shoe size wrong, and that you know what it really is :D
 
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