The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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To get on your level? ... Sorry, no.

No, let's not. If we were, we would see doppler effects. That is, the cosmic background in the direction of our movement (hint: "South" makes no sense in space) would be shifted up in frequency, while in the opposite direction, it would be shifted down. However, that's not what we observe. Hence we are not moving relative to the cosmic background radiation.
Exactly and this is why not only a NASA team now supports the dark flow theory, but also ESA,
ESA based on CMB measurement..
For Peter’s sage, keep your self-updated amigo
( Fellows, below is a link to Danish site, but let me Google translate the, the Sub-headline below..)

Space telescope Planck has taken the temperature of the universe.
Now cosmologists know that the universe is a bit older and has more dark matter than we previously thought.
In addition, the universe seems an inexplicable preferred direction.


http://videnskab.dk/miljo-naturvidenskab/planck-afslorer-universet-er-138-milliarder-ar-gammelt

More about this here..

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...er-universes-new-claims-of-hard-evidence.html

Wrong. What you are talking about is a group of objects in a common inertia frame. However, in such a situation, everything can be viewed, from within the frame, as if the frame was stationary. So, from the view of the inertia frame, the bullet is indeed moving "north" with everything that entails.
Very soon this idea will be proven to be nothing but mass brainwashed rubbish. The worst in history, even more ridicules, than the idea that earth is flat.
 
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Observation. If GPS satellites were affected, we would get false positions from them. We don't.

Hans


95% of all GPS satellites, behave according to theory and the knowledge we have.
Soon you will understand few (5%) doesn’t.

You will also soon learn that GPS orbit anomalies was estimated away because these was thought to be cause for example by gravitational anomalies of earth, or misjudged altitudes.
 
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95% of all GPS satellites, behave according to theory and the knowledge we have.
Soon you will understand few (5%) doesn’t.

Really? They're all in very similar orbits. Same altitude, same inclination. RAAN and Anomaly vary, of course, but from what you've said, I can't see how those would impact your "dark flow" effects.

You will also soon learn that GPS orbit anomalies was estimated away because these was thought to be cause for example by gravitational anomalies of earth, or misestimated altitudes.

But this won't affect the ISS measurements?
 
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Well, we are half way through 2016 already. What is it that we are going to "see"?

Special theory of relativity will fall apart, completely. ISS time dilation test this year will prove it.
A modified SR will soon be necessary.

Furthermore the same theory claims……

General theory of relativity........

  1. is not the correct theory of the cause gravity.
  2. Which mean that black holes are not understood / the new theory already offers an alternative explanation for the cause of these .
  3. Finally the perihelion precision anomaly of mercury is not caused by the so called curvature of space, but is a kinematic anomaly cause by the fact that mattes interacts and is connected differently with space, only depending on how the true relativistic mass of a body is.
 
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Really? They're all in very similar orbits. Same altitude, same inclination. RAAN and Anomaly vary, of course, but from what you've said, I can't see how those would impact your "dark flow" effects.

But this won't affect the ISS measurements?

Polar Satellits are few
 
Of course, Bjarne is quite wrong in asserting that the CMB is some absolute frame of reference ... it's no different from any other. And RussDill's upthread question about how one can determine "absolute speed" (or whatever) if you can't 'see' the CMB is spot on. No surprise, of course, that Bjarne didn't answer this, highly pertinent, question ... :confused:

OK, let me clarify.
CMB is the best "not moving" reference point we have.
Perfect ? - No properly not, - but as i said, the best reference points we have..

We don’t know what overall perspective really is, in the same way as a fish don’t know what a jumbo jet is. But we certainly will need such theoretical language in the future, also even tough its is somewhere above our heads.
 
Not looked in for a while.
Has it started to fall apart yet?
Cracks in the plaster? Door sticking in the frame?
Anything at all?

Nope, seems to be running wlong fine.
 
Exactly and this is why not only a NASA team now supports the dark flow theory, but also ESA,
ESA based on CMB measurement..

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More about this here..

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...er-universes-new-claims-of-hard-evidence.html

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Err, no, just no.

Not only is there no support for your wild assertion ("not only a NASA team now supports the dark flow theory, but also ESA") in that dailygalaxy article, there's nothing I've seen, on relevant NASA and ESA websites (including their PRs) that does either.

In this case maybe it's that English is not a language you are comfortable in; however, blatant untruths like what's in your post (the one I'm quoting) have no place in science.

Please try extra hard to avoid this sort of thing in future.
 
95% of all GPS satellites, behave according to theory and the knowledge we have.
Soon you will understand few (5%) doesn’t.

You will also soon learn that GPS orbit anomalies was estimated away because these was thought to be cause for example by gravitational anomalies of earth, or misjudged altitudes.
So you say.

Without any quantitative, objective, independently verifiable evidence.

Bjarne, this is the Science (etc) section of ISF; why do you persist in making claims that are entirely subjective, that cannot be evaluated by anyone but you?

How, in your view, do posts like this differ from trolling, may I ask?
 
Of course, Bjarne is quite wrong in asserting that the CMB is some absolute frame of reference ... it's no different from any other. And RussDill's upthread question about how one can determine "absolute speed" (or whatever) if you can't 'see' the CMB is spot on. No surprise, of course, that Bjarne didn't answer this, highly pertinent, question ...
OK, let me clarify.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.

CMB is the best "not moving" reference point we have.
Perfect ? - No properly not, - but as i said, the best reference points we have..
Why? What makes it "better" than, say, a wheel on the Curiosity rover (currently on Mars)?

We don’t know what overall perspective really is, in the same way as a fish don’t know what a jumbo jet is. But we certainly will need such theoretical language in the future, also even tough its is somewhere above our heads.
Indeed.

You've written things like this many times, in posts in this thread. A thread which is in the Science (etc) section of ISF, not the Philosophy one.

You're posting in the wrong place, aren't you?
 
Why do you think that amount the equipment brought to ISS is an altitude measurement device?
Satellites are affected by several factors, for example gravitational anomalies on earth, perturbation, space weather, perturbations and more.
If all these factors not are modelled, and taking into account, by scientific methods, undetected anomalies can be estimated away.

The purpose with GPS is not scientific, but pure commercial.

So you are saying that a radar gun can not measure the speed of a moving car because it is not a scientific experiment?

One bad analogy deserves another
 
It is very tempting to think as you do, but what really happens with the bullet moving north, - not is a accelerering bullet but a deceleration effect, - , the energy transfer to the bullet have a braking effect, seen from an overall perspective.

Evidently the temptation was too much for you to resist as that is what you even quoted me saying for your CBR frame. Again that you simply want to consider that frame more of "what really happens" doesn't eliminate what happens in other frames.


To what is that energy then converted ?

Well if it is a typical gun powder gun then chemical potential energy is coveted to kinetic energy by exerting forces between the bullet and the gun.

Well (true) kinetic energy is always accompanied by proportional mass increase, - and if (true) kinetic energy is brought to decelerate, -then relativistic mass will be released, which is the same as a gravitational wave / radiation.

So the energy you used to slow a true moving object, is used to deduct the relativistic mass of the object ..


Again, relativistic mass is frame dependent. Since the kinetic energy and forces also act on the gun how does its relativistic mass change and in what frame(s)?

Hint: Recoil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil

Also if the energy change is released as gravitational waves as you claim. Then the bullet doesn't retain that energy state and reverts to its original state. You can't have it both ways the change in energy retained by the bullet and at the same time released elsewhere.



We don’t know what overall perspective really is, in the same way as a fish don’t know what a jumbo jet is. But we will need such theoretical language in the future.

As you have been the only one asserting an "overall perspective" you're the only one who suffers the consequences of you claiming you don't know what it is. I, at least for one, do thank you for admitting you don't know what you're talking about when you assert an "overall perspective".

Soon you will have to give up this collective obsession.


Soon you will also have to give up this collective obsession.

Your the only one here obviously obsessed and evidently just with an "overall perspective" even you assert you don't know what it really is.


The reason for this confusion you and the rest of the world is victim for, - is that it never was considered (theoretical) the only way matter can involve / entangled with the (elastic) property of space..

Once again as you haven't quantified or identified any "(elastic) property of space" the confusion remains entirely yours. Heck I've even tried helping you in that regard by giving you the formulaic basis of bulk elastic properties.

Here it is again...

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/permot3.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_modulus

You have much work to do.


  • True kinetic energy is “pushing” matter to entangle stronger with space.
  • Space is always part of the relativistic transformation process.

If you have no clue at all, - how matter and space possible can be connected, you can easy end up fare out on Jens Peter Jensen’s ploughed fields, - where both vultures and crows long ago have reversed

Don’t forget that.

Don't forget it yourself and actually apply it to yourself. Most everyone here is already aware of this and hence trying to provide you at least a clue. Again if you want to assert "the (elastic) property of space" then that is probably where you should start, by trying to define and quantify such properties. However, don't forget that space time has well defined electromagnetic properties and as the bulk properties of materials are a result of their electromagnetic properties. You may want to explore that relation. Again you have much work to do and I recommend you concentrate on that rather than just the pretense.
 
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Err, no, just no.

Not only is there no support for your wild assertion ("not only a NASA team now supports the dark flow theory, but also ESA") in that dailygalaxy article, there's nothing I've seen, on relevant NASA and ESA websites (including their PRs) that does either.

In this case maybe it's that English is not a language you are comfortable in; however, blatant untruths like what's in your post (the one I'm quoting) have no place in science.

Please try extra hard to avoid this sort of thing in future.

How blind is it possible to be ?

Quote below from this article http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...er-universes-new-claims-of-hard-evidence.html

This past week, the first 'hard evidence' that other universes exist has been claimed to have been found by cosmologists studying the Planck data. They have concluded that it shows anomalies that can only have been caused by the gravitational pull of other universes.

Or is you ignorance due to you don't know that ESA / Cambridge is responsible for the plank satellite ?
 
So you say.

Without any quantitative, objective, independently verifiable evidence.

Bjarne, this is the Science (etc) section of ISF; why do you persist in making claims that are entirely subjective, that cannot be evaluated by anyone but you?

How, in your view, do posts like this differ from trolling, may I ask?

Easy boy, after the ISS measurement many will wake up in the GPS navigation departments too.
 
Why? What makes it "better" than, say, a wheel on the Curiosity rover (currently on Mars)?
Because most likely all we can see of the universe (included Mars) is moving with dark flow. Mars is therefore not at rest.
 
The GPS spacecraft all have the same nominal orbit inclination, so they're all equally "polar." And they're all more "polar" than ISS.

Why will ISS and 5% of GPS show these anomalies while 95% of the GPS won't?


When I write "north" I mean relative two Ecliptica ...

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Evidently the temptation was too much for you to resist as that is what you even quoted me saying for your CBR frame. Again that you simply want to consider that frame more of "what really happens" doesn't eliminate what happens in other frames.
Again, relativistic mass is frame dependent. Since the kinetic energy and forces also act on the gun how does its relativistic mass change and in what frame(s)?
Hint: Recoil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil
Do yourself a favor; forget everything you have learn about relative frames.

Also if the energy change is released as gravitational waves as you claim. Then the bullet doesn't retain that energy state and reverts to its original state. You can't have it both ways the change in energy retained by the bullet and at the same time released elsewhere. .
If decelerating an object to lower true speed, - the object will lose relativistic mass. And that’s it.

As you have been the only one asserting an "overall perspective" you're the only one who suffers the consequences of you claiming you don't know what it is. I, at least for one, do thank you for admitting you don't know what you're talking about when you assert an "overall perspective".
Off course I know what “it is” – simply no motion, - completely rest, seen from an absolute perspective.
 
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