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acbytesla said:
Does it now? If you had an opportunity to kill Hitler in 1932, wouldn't you just HAVE to do it? Do you think it stupid that some Germans wish he'd died then?

Trump worries me. I worry that his recklessness, racism etc will be the cause of much misery, even the deaths of many good people and possibly the downfall of democracy in the US.

So again, is it really wrong to hope that Trump slougb off his mortal coils?

I'm not talking about actively pursuing that...just kind of hoping.

Finally while thinking about that, there is kind of a fascinating somewhat funny movie about this subject called The Last Supper starring Cameron Diaz, Jason Alexander and Bill Paxton.
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It's also a cautionary tale.
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I wouldn't have killed him
 
Childlike Empress said:
Michael Moore(!) who correctly predicted last year that Teh Donald will be the nominee just put out a text with 5 reasons why Trump will win, one of it "The Hillary Problem". So a country of over 300 million people can't do better than leave US with this dreadful "choice" and the planet with a hope that some white-haired dissident rotting in an embassy of one of the few remaining sovereign countries releases more dirt on what stands in the way of what should and could be a landslide Democratic win for Bernie Sanders (or Joe Biden's mother or ...)? Breathtaking.
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BTW, Michael Moore also said that Mitt Romney would win in 2012, so he ain't Nostradamus.

Every election for as long as I can remember, I've heard this same refrain. "Both candidates suck". I still remember what my father said to me when McGovern ran against Nixon in 72. He said "it was a choice between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and he didn't have a favorite Tweedle." Both parties spend a hell of a lot of time, money and effort casting their opposition in a horrible light.

So is it really a surprise that they are viewed as flawed?

Frankly, I had a high opinion of Romney and Bush Sr even though I strongly disagree with their political stances.

I also have a very high opinion of Hillary even though I would like her to be more progressive.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Michael Moore(!) who correctly predicted last year that Teh Donald will be the nominee just put out a text with 5 reasons why Trump will win, one of it "The Hillary Problem". So a country of over 300 million people can't do better than leave US with this dreadful "choice" and the planet with a hope that some white-haired dissident rotting in an embassy of one of the few remaining sovereign countries releases more dirt on what stands in the way of what should and could be a landslide Democratic win for Bernie Sanders (or Joe Biden's mother or ...)? Breathtaking.
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Michael Moore correctly predicted that Trump would be the nominee, and he is likewise spot-on accurate in predicting the outcome of the November election.

Since "sellout" Sanders has officially endorsed a Goldman Sachs puppet -- the darling of Wall Street; also known as, Nurse Ratched on steroids -- many of his disillusioned supporters, who are mostly Democrats, will be sitting on their hands come election day, or voting for Jill Stein.

Trending all day yesterday on Twitter: #BernieMustDisavow

Also see: #SellOutSanders
 
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Tony Stark said:
Michael Moore thought that Mitt Romney would win.

And LOL at Donald winning Wisconsin and Michigan.
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Wisconsin is very possible. They have a Republican Governor, Legislature and Congressional delegation. Michigan is a much more an uphill battle for Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
Wisconsin is very possible. They have a Republican Governor, Legislature and Congressional delegation. Michigan is a much more an uphill battle for Trump.
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That's because a lot of Democrats don't vote in mid term elections.
 
I think Slings and Arrows is a textbook example of the guy who wants to Burn the Establishment down and does not care about the consequences.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Michael Moore correctly predicted that Trump would be the nominee, and he is likewise spot-on accurate in predicting the outcome of the November election.

Since "sellout" Sanders has officially endorsed a Goldman Sachs puppet -- the darling of Wall Street; also known as, Nurse Ratched on steroids -- many of his disillusioned supporters, who are mostly Democrats, will be sitting on their hands come election day, or voting for Jill Stein.

Trending all day yesterday on Twitter: #BernieMustDisavow

Also see: #SellOutSanders
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Why don't you care that your Fuhrer wants to deregulate Wall Street?
 
Childlike Empress said:
This is well documented and deeply disturbing to anybody who cares about "non-American" lives as much as about "American" lives. We know what to expect. Ignoring it and instead babbling about some nonsensical "electability" crap or childishly pointing to bogeyman Trump is an act also deeply disturbing to humanists all over the world.
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It exposes the left's callousness, the indifference to the millions of dead, refugees, the starving & sick - not that republicans have been any better...

Hillary met with the same people McCain met with in financing/arming/vetting the nice, moderate Syrian rebels.

I'm confident McCain has some kind of bank account the Saudis and others put money in. The first thing McCain did once elected was get wrapped up in the Keating 5 banking scandal.

But Hillary's take is in the Clinton Foundation, a record of tens of millions in $ not just for weapons purchase approval, but for the bipartisan acts of war in both Syria and Libya.

Our foreign policy makes absolutely no sense in the absence of understanding how Saudi Arabia in particular has used their wealth to influence US policy. I am not cool with saying it is legal, so long as there is no quid pro quo in writing, ie "Here is $25 million for arming and training foreign mercinaries to attack Assad in Syria". I am cool with just watching it happen and using common sense. There isn't any such thing as "moderate" Syrian rebels. The money has bought influence that is contrary to US interests and world peace.

Saudi Arabia is at risk from internal revolt, and it is the Wahhabis doing the revolting. The ISIS bombs in the two Holy cities are a real blow to the credibility of the Kingdom because their primary virtue is protector of the two holy mosques. We've done all of this foreign policy on their behalf, on behalf of the Sunni Wahhabi head-choppers, and in strengthening them we could be looking at ISIS taking Saudi Arabia.

Originally, our involvement with them was in Pakistan and Afghanistan, funding Madrassas and the jihadis in order to bleed the Soviet Union. One shoulder-mounted missile could take out a Soviet fighter bomber.

So now we're in there droning the people we were allies with before. And they have taken over large portions of the middle east where we have destroyed existing, far more reasonable governments.

Boy, won't it be a surprise when Assad is overthrown that a violent, repressive wave of beheadings occurs and ISIS declares it a part of the Caliphate?

The refugee crisis has allowed immigration of untold numbers of people having nothing to do with Syria. It is destabilizing Europe. Trump is being called insane, racist, etc. for calling attention to it. Instead of reasoned arguments, the left isn't even acknowledging the problem and just calling people racists.

I was naiive about it. I learned the multicultural value system. I gave my wife some grief about it when she told me about the Muslim problem in her city. Namely, the beheadings, bombings, etc. Seeing it first hand has certainly changed my opinion. I do not like living under imminent threat of assassination.

This recent history and my own personal experience with the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao has forced me to do some real assessment about history and the values I was taught in the comfy security of the richest country on the planet.

I see that this blind multiculturalism combined with corruption of our foreign policy from outside interests has produced a growing calamity that is so huge it is perhaps a point of inflection for Europe.

Listening to Hillary cackle about "We came, we saw...he died" my God what narcissistic glee. Now the whole country is in chaos, with ISIS or Al Qaeda in charge of large swathes. As if we didn't learn a thing from Iraq. Syria is now home to ISIS.

So I want to hear "no nation building". I want to hear no taking sides in civil wars on the other side of the planet. I most especially do not want to hear my government funding/arming/financing radical Islamic mercinaries under the theory that it helps us overthrow a bad guy.

Even the Kurds. They're always portrayed in the media as these noble freedom fighters. I never see it mentioned they are communists. They span several countries and their objective is unifying as their own independent country. There are always unintended consequences but recently any old excuse will do for taking sides in wars in places where we have no compelling interest. Like namely, they donated to your campaign or foundation.

Trump is free of that, I recognize so. He won the republican nomination and he owes nobody a thing for it. First time in modern history.

Likewise in assuming the presidency. He will be the first in modern history not bought off by the Saudis.
 
The "rust belt" as a way for Teh Donald to win btw is an analysis I've read months ago already in much more compelling words than the lukewarm self-proclaimed "Hillary friend" MM could ever do.

Meanwhile, reddit had to start a second part of the "DNC emails WikiLeaks mega thread" just a day after the first, likely for reasons similar to what we know here.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
It exposes the left's callousness, the indifference to the millions of dead, refugees, the starving & sick - not that republicans have been any better...

Hillary met with the same people McCain met with in financing/arming/vetting the nice, moderate Syrian rebels.

I'm confident McCain has some kind of bank account the Saudis and others put money in. The first thing McCain did once elected was get wrapped up in the Keating 5 banking scandal.

But Hillary's take is in the Clinton Foundation, a record of tens of millions in $ not just for weapons purchase approval, but for the bipartisan acts of war in both Syria and Libya.

Our foreign policy makes absolutely no sense in the absence of understanding how Saudi Arabia in particular has used their wealth to influence US policy. I am not cool with saying it is legal, so long as there is no quid pro quo in writing, ie "Here is $25 million for arming and training foreign mercinaries to attack Assad in Syria". I am cool with just watching it happen and using common sense. There isn't any such thing as "moderate" Syrian rebels. The money has bought influence that is contrary to US interests and world peace.

Saudi Arabia is at risk from internal revolt, and it is the Wahhabis doing the revolting. The ISIS bombs in the two Holy cities are a real blow to the credibility of the Kingdom because their primary virtue is protector of the two holy mosques. We've done all of this foreign policy on their behalf, on behalf of the Sunni Wahhabi head-choppers, and in strengthening them we could be looking at ISIS taking Saudi Arabia.

Originally, our involvement with them was in Pakistan and Afghanistan, funding Madrassas and the jihadis in order to bleed the Soviet Union. One shoulder-mounted missile could take out a Soviet fighter bomber.

So now we're in there droning the people we were allies with before. And they have taken over large portions of the middle east where we have destroyed existing, far more reasonable governments.

Boy, won't it be a surprise when Assad is overthrown that a violent, repressive wave of beheadings occurs and ISIS declares it a part of the Caliphate?

The refugee crisis has allowed immigration of untold numbers of people having nothing to do with Syria. It is destabilizing Europe. Trump is being called insane, racist, etc. for calling attention to it. Instead of reasoned arguments, the left isn't even acknowledging the problem and just calling people racists.

I was naiive about it. I learned the multicultural value system. I gave my wife some grief about it when she told me about the Muslim problem in her city. Namely, the beheadings, bombings, etc. Seeing it first hand has certainly changed my opinion. I do not like living under imminent threat of assassination.

This recent history and my own personal experience with the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao has forced me to do some real assessment about history and the values I was taught in the comfy security of the richest country on the planet.

I see that this blind multiculturalism combined with corruption of our foreign policy from outside interests has produced a growing calamity that is so huge it is perhaps a point of inflection for Europe.

Listening to Hillary cackle about "We came, we saw...he died" my God what narcissistic glee. Now the whole country is in chaos, with ISIS or Al Qaeda in charge of large swathes. As if we didn't learn a thing from Iraq. Syria is now home to ISIS.

So I want to hear "no nation building". I want to hear no taking sides in civil wars on the other side of the planet. I most especially do not want to hear my government funding/arming/financing radical Islamic mercinaries under the theory that it helps us overthrow a bad guy.

Even the Kurds. They're always portrayed in the media as these noble freedom fighters. I never see it mentioned they are communists. They span several countries and their objective is unifying as their own independent country. There are always unintended consequences but recently any old excuse will do for taking sides in wars in places where we have no compelling interest. Like namely, they donated to your campaign or foundation.

Trump is free of that, I recognize so. He won the republican nomination and he owes nobody a thing for it. First time in modern history.

Likewise in assuming the presidency. He will be the first in modern history not bought off by the Saudis.
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He'll just be Putin's puppet.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
It exposes the left's callousness, the indifference to the millions of dead, refugees, the starving & sick - not that republicans have been any better...
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Couldn't agree more.

As to the Clinton Foundation, isn't it funny how they took fat bribes from Russians and are now coming up with this third-rate CT about WikiLeaks being puppeteered by Putin to get Teh Donald elected?

As to the (Syrian PYD) Kurds being "communists", I'd advise you to take a look at the work of their political philosopher Abdullah Öcalan and search for what should be in any way "evil" about that, especially in the environment they are surrounded by.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Couldn't agree more.

As to the Clinton Foundation, isn't it funny how they took fat bribes from Russians and are now coming up with this third-rate CT about WikiLeaks being puppeteered by Putin to get Teh Donald elected?

As to the (Syrian PYD) Kurds being "communists", I'd advise you to take a look at the work of their political philosopher Abdullah Öcalan and search for what should be in any way "evil" about that, especially in the environment they are surrounded by.
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The Clintons don't personally benefit from their foundation. It is a charity. And a highly rated one at that. Calling it bribery is ridiculous.

We know that your Fuhrer has business ties to Russia (because he can't get money from American banks) and that his campaign chairman used to work for Putin allies.

Also do you care about your Fuhrer saying he wants to be a war criminal? He wants to bring back torture and kill terrorists' families. How about him saying he wants to use the US military to steal oil?
 
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AlaskaBushPilot said:
It exposes the left's callousness, the indifference to the millions of dead, refugees, the starving & sick - not that republicans have been any better...

Hillary met with the same people McCain met with in financing/arming/vetting the nice, moderate Syrian rebels.

I'm confident McCain has some kind of bank account the Saudis and others put money in. The first thing McCain did once elected was get wrapped up in the Keating 5 banking scandal.

But Hillary's take is in the Clinton Foundation, a record of tens of millions in $ not just for weapons purchase approval, but for the bipartisan acts of war in both Syria and Libya.

Our foreign policy makes absolutely no sense in the absence of understanding how Saudi Arabia in particular has used their wealth to influence US policy. I am not cool with saying it is legal, so long as there is no quid pro quo in writing, ie "Here is $25 million for arming and training foreign mercinaries to attack Assad in Syria". I am cool with just watching it happen and using common sense. There isn't any such thing as "moderate" Syrian rebels. The money has bought influence that is contrary to US interests and world peace.

Saudi Arabia is at risk from internal revolt, and it is the Wahhabis doing the revolting. The ISIS bombs in the two Holy cities are a real blow to the credibility of the Kingdom because their primary virtue is protector of the two holy mosques. We've done all of this foreign policy on their behalf, on behalf of the Sunni Wahhabi head-choppers, and in strengthening them we could be looking at ISIS taking Saudi Arabia.

Originally, our involvement with them was in Pakistan and Afghanistan, funding Madrassas and the jihadis in order to bleed the Soviet Union. One shoulder-mounted missile could take out a Soviet fighter bomber.

So now we're in there droning the people we were allies with before. And they have taken over large portions of the middle east where we have destroyed existing, far more reasonable governments.

Boy, won't it be a surprise when Assad is overthrown that a violent, repressive wave of beheadings occurs and ISIS declares it a part of the Caliphate?

The refugee crisis has allowed immigration of untold numbers of people having nothing to do with Syria. It is destabilizing Europe. Trump is being called insane, racist, etc. for calling attention to it. Instead of reasoned arguments, the left isn't even acknowledging the problem and just calling people racists.

I was naiive about it. I learned the multicultural value system. I gave my wife some grief about it when she told me about the Muslim problem in her city. Namely, the beheadings, bombings, etc. Seeing it first hand has certainly changed my opinion. I do not like living under imminent threat of assassination.

This recent history and my own personal experience with the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao has forced me to do some real assessment about history and the values I was taught in the comfy security of the richest country on the planet.

I see that this blind multiculturalism combined with corruption of our foreign policy from outside interests has produced a growing calamity that is so huge it is perhaps a point of inflection for Europe.

Listening to Hillary cackle about "We came, we saw...he died" my God what narcissistic glee. Now the whole country is in chaos, with ISIS or Al Qaeda in charge of large swathes. As if we didn't learn a thing from Iraq. Syria is now home to ISIS.

So I want to hear "no nation building". I want to hear no taking sides in civil wars on the other side of the planet. I most especially do not want to hear my government funding/arming/financing radical Islamic mercinaries under the theory that it helps us overthrow a bad guy.

Even the Kurds. They're always portrayed in the media as these noble freedom fighters. I never see it mentioned they are communists. They span several countries and their objective is unifying as their own independent country. There are always unintended consequences but recently any old excuse will do for taking sides in wars in places where we have no compelling interest. Like namely, they donated to your campaign or foundation.

Trump is free of that, I recognize so. He won the republican nomination and he owes nobody a thing for it. First time in modern history.

Likewise in assuming the presidency. He will be the first in modern history not bought off by the Saudis.
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You could write a book about the intricacies of US Saudi politics and still not capture the nuances and challenges associated with it. Saudi Arabia is both the nation most involved in fighting extreme Islamic fundamentalist violence and also has been the biggest exporter of that extreme ideology.

King Fahd gave billions away supporting Madrassas that taught the extreme Wahhabi version of Islam. Is it a surprise that the chickens came home to roost? It shouldn't be. There may not be a more duplicitous corrupt political regime on the planet.
 
Cut, and run. Too late?

Well that's over.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- On the heels of a tumultuous Republican convention, Hillary Clinton arrives in Philadelphia eager to show off a forward-looking Democratic Party united behind her steady leadership. To do that, she must overcome lingering bitterness among supporters of defeated rival Bernie Sanders and clean up a resurgent political mess of the party's own making.

The resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee made for a rocky start on Sunday, as the Florida congresswoman heeded Sanders' longstanding call to leave as party chief. Her departure comes a few days after the publication of 19,000 hacked emails, which Sanders said confirmed his belief the national party played favorites for Clinton during the primary.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/roll-cal...tion-2-814-delegates-124342108--election.html
 
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Her departure comes a few days after the publication of 19,000 hacked emails, which Sanders said confirmed his belief the national party played favorites for Clinton during the primary.
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Gotta love the framing.
 
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