Merged Wikileaks DNC leak proves primary was rigged /DNC planned to use Sanders' religion ag

[acbytesla]

What Bernie should do, in light of the emails released by WL, is stand at the mike and say:

"I came here with a message of hope for the future of the Democratic Party of the United States, but the duplicity now shown by the party itself have shown me that what this country needs is not Trump, not Clinton, but a powerful independent who will bind the country together and take it forwards, hence I am now announcing my candidacy for President!"

Leaves stage to boos and shouts of Bernie! Bernie!

Looks to me like the emails have handed Trump the momentum right when it should have been building for Billary.

Bernie supporters will rightly feel sold out no matter what the old guy does - unless he gives the above speech.

Only if you think political martyrdom for absolutely no purpose is worthwhile. Bernie Sanders is a Senator and now a member of the Democratic Party. He has power in the Senate He would get stripped of that if he does what you suggest. He'll be giving the election to Donald Trump.
He would in effect turn himself into a Joe Lieberman Ralph Nader hybrid as weird as that is. Totally ineffective with no frIends.

The DNC emails don't matter and Bernie wouldn't think of pulling a stunt like that. He cares too much about the people he serves to play that game.
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Nope NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Weaver's on now claiming they (DNC) spread stories and attacked Sanders' religion. Funny, I thought they only talked about it.

He's also on saying DWS is the problem. Get rid of her and move on. Unify the Party.

The goat has scaped.

 

[NoahFence]

What Bernie should do, in light of the emails released by WL, is stand at the mike and say:

"I came here with a message of hope for the future of the Democratic Party of the United States, but the duplicity now shown by the party itself have shown me that what this country needs is not Trump, not Clinton, but a powerful independent who will bind the country together and take it forwards, hence I am now announcing my candidacy for President!"

Leaves stage to boos and shouts of Bernie! Bernie!

Looks to me like the emails have handed Trump the momentum right when it should have been building for Billary.

Bernie supporters will rightly feel sold out no matter what the old guy does - unless he gives the above speech.

No, he shouldn't do that at all. For like the 10,000th time, Bernie Sanders is a good person. He will not undermine Clinton. Beating Trump is too important, and he knows it. He's not as stupid as his most extreme supporters.

 

[NoahFence]

Yawn. Have you not read any posts here before repeating the same unsupported assertions? Maybe I need to ask a simpler question:

How did they rig it? Give us the details of how it worked?

You've never been right on a hunch that you've based on things you have observed?

Yikes.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Weaver's clearly in Clinton's camp. The email kerfuffle will go nowhere except to stoke a few of the sour grapes who have already abandoned Sanders as a disappointment for backing Clinton.

Water's been slipped into the gasoline can. Sorry, it must be disappointing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You've never been right on a hunch that you've based on things you have observed?

Yikes.

Hunch?

Uh, you mean like an unsupported less than logical hunch? I don't have many of those hunches.

Are you surprised the DNC was in Clinton's camp? I'm pretty sure that's not a surprise to anyone. The issue Sanders' supporters and HDS sufferers are missing here is these emails were just discussion. You have to show they were acted on. You have to show someone actually rigged something and that it mattered.

Sanders supporters are protesting against the DNC in Philly today. Crowds look thin at the moment. They are still whining about the superdelegates and they don't like Kaine.

 

[pgwenthold]

I don't think Sanders is blaming her for his failure. What he is doing -- now supported by substantial evidence -- is contending that Wasserman and the DNC were in the barrel for Clinton before the primaries started. An honest broker would have maintained professional neutrality despite her personal views. Wasserman saw it as her job to get Clinton nominated.

Quick question, for someone who might know:

The last time Sanders ran for the Senate, what was listed for his party affiliation?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Side note: MSNBC has a new tactic. The newscaster is standing on top of a slowly moving truck. I'm sure this is a reaction to being drowned out by people yelling in the background when they try to give their spiel.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Quick question, for someone who might know:

The last time Sanders ran for the Senate, what was listed for his party affiliation?

He runs as a Democrat then resigns from the Party after the election. This tactic evolved when the Democrats made a deal not to run a Democrat against him and he agreed to caucus with the Democrats.

Otherwise there was a risk that a Democrat and Sanders would split the vote and lose to the Republican.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Trump would absolutely love it if Bernie did that as it would guarantee that Trump would win. Thankfully, Bernie is not a moronic piece of garbage.

I voted for Bernie and donated to his campaign. If he did that, I would absolutely hate him and personally blame him for President Donald J. Trump.

Why is your candidate so weak that something like that would be such a significant influence? It doesn't speak well of either her or you.

 

[Tony Stark]

Quick question, for someone who might know:

The last time Sanders ran for the Senate, what was listed for his party affiliation?

Are you suggesting that Democrats might prefer an actual Democrat? How corrupt!

 

[NoahFence]

I'm simply stating a fact that the DNC wanted Clinton all along. Before the primaries.

Hell, I'm saying they wanted her in '08 but Obama happened. The minute he was elected, it became clear that Clinton was the next President.

I'm not even saying that what the DNC was wrong per se - but simply that it happened.
Did anything they do result in any of the voting irregularities? I dunno. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Bernie Sanders is not the type of person who would call for Schultz to resign with no good reason. If he says there is fire there, I believe him. She should resign simply because it has the look of impropriety. That's a career ending sin in an arena where image is everything.

 

[NoahFence]

Quick question, for someone who might know:

The last time Sanders ran for the Senate, what was listed for his party affiliation?

Independent in 2012.

 

[Tony Stark]

Why is your candidate so weak that something like that would be such a significant influence? It doesn't speak well of either her or you.

It is simply how the system works. If Hillary had run as an independent in 2008, it would have helped John McCain. That doesn't mean that Obama was a weak candidate.

 

[Fudbucker]

More people watched the Clinton/Sanders debates than watched the Obama/Clinton debates.

And probably even more would have watched if they weren't scheduled at 3 am on Sunday night. There's only one reason to schedule debates on weekends: to reduce viewership.

Superdelegates came out for her in against Obama and that didn't stop him. She had the problem against Obama that Bernie had this election, narrow demographic appeal.

The whole superdelegate thing needs to be scrapped. It's just a way for the DNC to put their thumb on the scale for the candidate they want by lining up hundreds of "votes" before any actual voting begins. It's totally undemocratic. If the Dems keep it around, supers shouldn't be allowed to talk about their vote until at the convention.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm simply stating a fact that the DNC wanted Clinton all along. Before the primaries.

Hell, I'm saying they wanted her in '08 but Obama happened. The minute he was elected, it became clear that Clinton was the next President.

I'm not even saying that what the DNC was wrong per se - but simply that it happened.
Did anything they do result in any of the voting irregularities? I dunno. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Bernie Sanders is not the type of person who would call for Schultz to resign with no good reason. If he says there is fire there, I believe him. She should resign simply because it has the look of impropriety. That's a career ending sin in an arena where image is everything.

Frankly I think he is just trying to blame his relatively large loss on anything other than the fact that he couldn't appeal to enough people (especially black people and actual Democrats).

DWS is an obvious target. I suppose let him blame her if he insists. She would have been gone as DNC chair anyway.

And by the way, the did vote to get rid of most of the superdelegates. Members of Congress, governors, and distinguished members of the party (Presidents, VPs, and DNC chairs past and present) will stay though.

 

[tyr_13]

Statement: "There's no need to hack wikileaks. Just read it in Assange's openly published words."

Gross Mischaracterization: "Oh yes, don't trust anyone except us. We'll be honest with you. Completely. Those other people all lie and hide things, but not Assange."
I hilighted everything in your post that was not part of an argument advanced in the earlier statement.

Talk about your laughing dogs...

Wrong, unless you don't know anything about wikileaks and their purported philosophy. Yet again, you have no evidence but claim victory.

Otherwise, one could say, 'We don't need to hack the DNC because here are their public statements.' You don't believe that, correct?

 

[Tony Stark]

And probably even more would have watched if they weren't scheduled at 3 am on Sunday night. There's only one reason to schedule debates on weekends: to reduce viewership.



The whole superdelegate thing needs to be scrapped. It's just a way for the DNC to put their thumb on the scale for the candidate they want by lining up hundreds of "votes" before any actual voting begins. It's totally undemocratic. If the Dems keep it around, supers shouldn't be allowed to talk about their vote until at the convention.

I don't get all this whining about superdelegates when Bernie lost big not including them and they have never gone against the pledged delegates.

Why aren't the Bernie Bros complaining about caucuses. They are undemocratic. It couldn't be because they worked in Bernie's favor, could i?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm simply stating a fact that the DNC wanted Clinton all along. Before the primaries.

So? Who didn't know that, it wasn't secret.

Hell, I'm saying they wanted her in '08 but Obama happened. The minute he was elected, it became clear that Clinton was the next President.

I'm not sure how this matters except to prove had Sanders been a better candidate, the DNC would have switched their support.

I'm not even saying that what the DNC was wrong per se - but simply that it happened.
Did anything they do result in any of the voting irregularities? I dunno. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Except it didn't.

Bernie Sanders is not the type of person who would call for Schultz to resign with no good reason. If he says there is fire there, I believe him. She should resign simply because it has the look of impropriety. That's a career ending sin in an arena where image is everything.

It's a face saving token for Sanders and again, so?

 

[NoahFence]

Frankly I think he is just trying to blame his relatively large loss on anything other than the fact that he couldn't appeal to enough people (especially black people and actual Democrats).

DWS is an obvious target. I suppose let him blame her if he insists. She would have been gone as DNC chair anyway.

I haven't heard Sanders blaming his loss on this.